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Remember to pray for me. If I am confused and you love me as a Christian brother, remember to
pray for me to be made clear.
Tis visa - versa.
Now the 144,000 standing on a heaven Mt. Zion have a sign dedicated to them because of
the uniqueness of their experience. This is, I believe -
1.) They followed the Lamb is such dedication that ALIVE they were raptured to heaven.
Now you must admit. Out of the millions of believers who have lived only a fraction will
enjoy such a blessing - To Have Never Have Died BUT To Follow the Lord and be taken Enoch style to heaven (temporarily).
2.) The number 144,000 (12,000 times 12,000) whether symbolic or not or both actual and symbolic is a subset of the total
number of saints in the church universal. Perfection a thousand fold seems to be the message. With them the Triune
God is very pleased, very satisfied.
3.) They are purchased "from the earth". Now, granted, all saints are purchased by redemtion from the world as a Satanic system.
But this verse goes further that some are purchased from the earth. I think it means raptured FROM the surface of the earth.
It puzzles me why you would so mightily resist this kind of interpretation.
Think of how many people served, healed, fed, cured, preached to by Jesus in His earthly ministry
How many dedicated ones of these did He finally end up with in the upper room? Only one hundred and twenty.
It stricts me as perculiar that Christian teachers could not see the consistency throughout all the Bible.
Many receive blessing. Only a few care for God's need and not just their own.
Come on Keras. Sometimes you and I don't care that much for God's need but only our own blessing.
This matter of some who have a unique song to sing should not be all that proposterious.
And they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been purchased from the earth. (Rev. 14:3)
But you pray for me if I am so deceived.
This is how I would teach you should understand the matter.
1.) The martyred saints who died, like Stephen, are in the man-child. (Rev. 12)
2.) The living saints who are ALSO pleasing to God, are in the firstfruits. (Rev. 14)
3.) The martyred saints who will be killed in the 3.5 years are in the ones seen standing on the sea of glass mingled with fire
in chapter 15.
4.) The rest of the saints, then living or having died in ages past are seen taken to the air in the harvest. (Rev. 14; 1 Thess. 4)
Revelation, therefore has different signs to cover different aspects of His total body of saints.
Some are living at the time just before the GT.
Some have been martyred in times past.
Some both living and in the past were well pleasing to Him.
Some will be martyred duyring the GT.
Some will not be martyred through the GT.
You see keras there are different signs which cover different situations.
But all in all everyone is covered.
One more word:
The ones taken to the throne as man-child shows their usefulness in spiritual warfare and governance.
Then one taken to the heaven as firstfruits shows thier pleasing satisfaction to the Father and the Son.
This two reveals two distinct yet relevant aspects to God.
They are all related. But they are dealt with with distinction by dedicated signs.
Another point:
The man-child has a sign showing them CAUGHT UP. In other words we see a dramatic rapture of them UP.
The firstfruits has a sign showing on the other hand they always had their hearts in heaven ANYWAY by thier living.
Because we Christians tend to be focused on the miraculous things done to our bodies we may miss this.
The vision of those who followed the Lamb where ever He goes are just SEEN there with no discription
of how they were taken. It is understood that they LIVED their lives as if with the Lamb in heaven while on earth.
This is no slam-dunk that they are on Mt. Zion that must be in Jerusalem on earth.
We are told that in the church we HAVE COME . . . to Mt. Zion and the heavenly city in our living.
We who have come to the new covenant have virtually come to a heavenly Mt. Zion.
But you have come forward to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem; and to myriads of angels, to the universal gathering;
And to the church of the firstborn, who have been enrolled in the heavens; and to God, the Judge of all; and to the spirits of righteous men who have been made perfect;
And to Jesus, the Mediator of a new covenant; and to the blood of sprinkling, which speaks something better than that of Abel. (Heb. 12:22-24)
Sure the Bible shows people taken to heaven and returning with Christ down to the earth.
YOU need to insist that only ANGELS from heaven could do that.
YOU need that theory to ignore what the details of the Bible said.
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