Yahu said:
Demons are just 'evil spirits'. The fallen angels according to Jude and 2 Pet 2 are all imprisoned until judgement. There was no rebellion in heaven. 1/3 of the angels never fell. That is taken from an event in Revelation which is a future event during the tribulation and doesn't apply to Yah's holy angels. The 1/3 of the 'stars of heaven' are what the old testament calls the 'host of heaven' that are part of the pagan pantheons of the sun god, moon goddess, the planets, constellations and signs of the Zodiac, ie the 'host of heaven/sky'.
KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:
you are incorrect - the 1/3 angels in revelation (12:4) is Not a future event and the bible says the host of heaven are angels! Jesus is the Prince of the host (dan 8:11) God is the Lord of the host.
Daniel 8:10 and it waxed great even to the host of heaven and it did cast down some of the host (angels)
host - 6635 taken from 6633 - a mass of persons or things organized for war - waiting upon war
So we see that this army waits upon warfare and in rev we see that battle take place at 12:7
Rev 12:4 is also mentioned in Daniel 8:10
De 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the
sun, and the
moon, and the
stars, even all the
host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
De 17:3 And hath gone and
served other gods, and worshipped them, either the
sun, or
moon, or any of the
host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
2Ki 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a
grove(Asherah), and worshipped
all the host of heaven, and served
Baal.
2Ki 21:3 For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for
Baal, and made a
grove, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the
host of heaven, and served them.
2Ki 23:4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for
Baal, and for the
grove (Asherah), and for all the
host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
2Ki 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto
Baal, to the
sun, and to the
moon, and to the
planets,
and to all the host of heaven.
2Ch 33:3 For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for
Baalim, and made
groves, and worshipped all the
host of heaven, and served them.
2Ch 33:5 And he built altars for all the
host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.
Isa 34:4 And
all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the
sun, and the
moon, and
all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.
Jer 19:13 And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of
Tophet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the
host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto
other gods.
Da 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Zep 1:5 And them that worship the
host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by
Malcham;
Generally the term 'host of heaven' is directly tied with the ancient paganism. They all all lumped under the term host of heaven. These are the major principalities of the 2nd heaven, the realm of air with the 'prince of the powers of the air' over them. These are what is pulled down by the dragon during the tribulation, not some mythical pre-adamic rebellion. Revelation chapter 4 and beyond are ALL references to future events.
Modern Christianity is poisoned by the doctrines of Augustine that was promoted by the RCC and from there became standard doctrine in Christianity. It is total nonsense that does NOT line up with scripture. All the pre-flood fallen angels are bound in Tartarus and don't even get let back out until the tribulation. Lucifer is just a latin translation of an epitaph of the ancient pagan sun god. It would be Pheobus in the Greek which is an epitaph of Apollo while Revelation even names the 'king of the abyss' as Apollyon, an alternate spelling of Apollo. Lucifer isn't a fallen angels but a son of a fallen angel, one of the four bound at the Euphrates. He wasn't even born until after the flood and wasn't the serpent in Eden.
The 'dragon' of Revelation is who is sometimes referred to as the cockatrice in the Old Testament. It is a reference to the leader of the four angels that were bound at Babel that get let out during the tribulation. The Greeks called him Zeus. He was one of the four angels that guarded Eden that helped imprison the pre-flood angels that fell into error but fell into error with the 3 others post flood and was imprisoned at Babel. It is their children that rule the demonic realms. Demons and most of the major principalities are just the spirits of the dead that carry angelic lineage, ie Nephilim. There are NO, zero, none of the fallen angels that are free to influence the world.
Revelation is full of references to the ancient pagan deities. For example, the 'harlot of Babel' is the goddess Ashtoreth (by her Canaanite name). The anti-christ spirit is just the spirit of Nimrod, the original anti-christ who was a son of Ashtoreth. When the 'earth' swallows up the 'waters' from the dragon, that is a reference to Asherah, she is 'mother earth' and in the top four principalities, ie the 'four winds/spirits'. You have to understand the ancient paganism that was in conflict against Israel and Yah to understand the many scriptural references.
