Signs of the Times

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

God is going to start destroying at the 7th trumpet. The two witnesses were already slain by the beast that came out of
the bottomless pit.

vinsight4u, you would be a lot better off looking at Revelation structured according to the 70th week 7 years, and the second half of the 7 years for the most part (I put those in blue below) . That's the way the chapters have been divided.

Revealing of the seven years the seals, seals 1-6 chapter 6

Revealing of the trumpet judgments, second half of the seven years chapter 7, chapter 8, chapter 9

Revealing of the seven years according to the little book chapter 10, chapter 11

Revealing of the seven years relevant to Israel chapter 12

Revealing of the second half of the seven years after the two witnesses are gone chapter 13, chapter 14

Revealing of the bowls of wrath during the second half of the seven years chapter 15, chapter 16

Revealing of the woman and the beast, and the mystery of the heads and horns chapter 17

Revealing of the judgement on Babylon the great chapter 18

Revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ's return to earth. chapter 19, chapter 20

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

Rev. 15 is not just one vision, and it has more than one set
of plagues being in control of the seven angels.
They will have a set and leave the temple in heaven. They will
go to the location of the one of the four beasts/in the east and
they are dressed in the attire to seal people.

What? No-one can understand what you are saying. <Staff Edit>

 

[Dennis1209]

That is not true. Stick to what the verses actually say. Rapture is not even written as a word...and there is no such thing as
to we will not know. Instead, we are as brethren not going to
be in darkness as to that day. We are here staying blameless
till the day of Christ. We are to be here thus for the falling away on those that loved not the truth - and the revealing of
the man of sin that sitteth in the temple of God.

We wait for the day of Christ/day of the Lord to start - and that
won't happen till after the great tribulation.
There is not even one pre or mid trib rapture verse in the
whole Bible.

Matthew 25 is about when heaven and earth shall pass away and the living - among drunkards and those that smite their
servants - will be split up into two groups. The goats/evil people of the nations - will go to the everlasting fire/lake of
fire.
This is the hour and day that not even angels know.
Angels know about the great tribulation, just look at the
last part of Daniel 12.
Daniel has gone to rest - he was told that he would.
But at the end of the 1290 days he will stand in his lot.
rise at the resurrection of the just/be rewarded

Others must wait - and not go rest/ not die and come
as living -clear to the 1335 days.
They must survive the vials of God's wrath time.
/any people that die -after the 1290 days - are lost forever

They can only rise at the resurrection to damnation.
/the lake of fire - the 2nd death
where their worm dieth not
And people will be abhorred by them even at the time of the
new earth is here. See the end of Isaiah 66.

Do a little studying on how "Rapture" was derived from the Greek word 'harpazo' [snatched up, caught up]. Or is that no such word?

My eschatology and hermeneutics are my own and not subject to argument.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Jipsah]

The third Temple will be built, and Daniel's 70th week is still future.

Hmmmm... Isn't sacrifice and oblation to cease in the 70th week? And have they not ceased? Nah, no blasphemous "3rd temple" to be built. No return of animal sacrifice, either. Read Hebrews.

 

[Douggg]

The time of reward is not until after it gets announced in the 7th trumpet
section. as in Rev. 11:18 That is after the trib is over, not in the middle of it. None of the vials are during the great tribulation.

The wicked hide in the rocks as foretold in Isaiah 2:10-12 and Isaiah 2:19-21. This event is in the 6th seal and Isaiah wrote as to He is exalted alone.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


First thing that has to be established is when the seventh angel sounds. The seventh angel announces the third woe. The only woe in Revelation following Chapter 11, is in Chapter 12, Satan cast down for the the time, times, half times. So the 7th angel sounds before then.

And please use the biblical terms. When you say "trib", that is ambiguous. Does "trib" mean the 7 years - or does it mean the great tribulation timeframe which begins when the abomination is setup to be worshiped for 1335 days, Daniel 12:11-12. Which that image is not removed until the day that Jesus returns.. The biblical term is "great tribulation"

All of the vials of wrath are within the second half of the great tribulation, during the time, times, half times that Satan is cast down restricted to earth. Provable by working back from the 7th vial, to the sixth, to the fifth, to the third, to the second , to the first.

Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

So the first vial of wrath is during the 42 months (Revelation 13:5) when the mark of the beast is required and people are worshiping the image of the beast.

 

[Douggg]

vinsight4u, is this how your post appears on your computer? Because it doesn't appear this way on mine. And your posts are so very difficult to read - I don't know if it is an issue with your computer or you are preparing your post as each sentence, and/or framents as its own line.

I reformated your post to make it readable.....

What does Rev. 8 show happens before the seven angels prepared themselves to sound? Then what happened? a set of trumpet plagues begins How does it end? with an earthquake

Before the vials can be poured out in Rev. 16 there must be another time of voices and such that reveals how this
set of plagues will end. It is shown at the end of Rev. 11. Rev. 12 was not seen next by John, but instead chapter 16
began to unfold. Before chapter 15 ends, we find that first a set of plagues must end. What set of plagues?
How did John know that a set of plagues has to end before men can enter into the temple? Here is when the seven trumpets sounded. It is not the vials full that must end, but the plagues that the angel set had when they left the temple.

the seven plagues of the seven angels till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled then chapter 16 begins
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour..."

But John already told us that one set of plagues was fulfilled by the end of Rev. 15. He even knew that men can enter
the temple after this set is over.

 

[Douggg]

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I put you on my ignore list, so I can't see any posts you address to me. or any posts.

 

[daughterofthemosthigh7]

not believing in pre-trib rapture, which i do btw, does not mean you don't get to go (when the trumpet is sounded to call us up hither! ) that is if you are indeed truly saved-- just thought I'd throw that in here because of an earlier post i read seems to think otherwise-- used to believe this and its also just another lie that john hagee preaches as well. also unclear about another post i saw in here but will also say if thats truly what was being stated that serpent seed doctrine is lie of devil too.take care and rejoice/look up for our redemption draws near~ come quickly Lord Jesus, Maranatha!

 

[vinsight4u]

nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

nvm