That is straining at gnats.
No, some people have a very literal reading of Scripture.
I'm saying that if you're of that view (and I don't know if you are), Scripture says "I" - Paul, and not "God demands".
Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. So he laid down a rule that women are not allowed to teach. As the one challenging Pauls order, it is up to you to empirically shopw it no longer applies!
It's up to you to show that it is even a rule from Paul, never mind a command from God.
Well I don't know what is in peoples heart wehen they decide to forego a clear teaching of Scripture.
You either haven't read, or cannot answer, my statement that it is not a clear teaching of Scripture.
But Paul is clear. He does not allow women to teach nor usurp authority on the church!
He doesn't even say that; he says
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And you have not explained how women can "usurp authority" when that authority is given by God and recognised by the church.
And lead worship.
A Methodist Local (lay) Preacher takes the whole service - choosing hymns, taking prayers, children's talk and sermon.
Your preaching is not for the maturing of the saints? You do not counsel and exhort and encourage people? Has your church granted you that authority?
Yes it is, and yes they have.
That's what a sermon is.
You are shepherding people by your preaching and recognized position.
No. I'm expounding the word and giving some practical applications for life - NOT telling people that they have to accept what
I say and then put it into practice the way
I tell them to.
Christians round here have minds of their own - they are quite capable of telling me if a) they hated my sermon, b) they disagreed with it and c) believe I am in the wrong ministry. No one yet has - that includes the clergy.
That is personal ministry and is not prohibited. You should know the difference if you hold such a high level in your church.
If God has said that women should not teach, women should not teach.
Where does Scripture say that God's "commands" can be broken as long as they are in private and not in public?
And saying a woman shoud not teach is not an interpretation, it is accepting the Inspired Word of Scripture as it is written and not adding opinion to it.
How does Scripture define teaching, then?
Paul teaches about the gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12:28, Romans 12:6-8 and Ephesians 4:11. These gifts include teaching - he doesn't say that gift isn't for women.
Prophetesses who proclaimed God's word and gave it to men, were teaching; teaching them God's will.
Priscilla taught Apollos - doesn't matter that it was in private, unless you're saying that there is a difference between applying God's word in private and applying it in public?
So because each epistle does not exhaustively list each and every item, to you it doesn't count?
No, I'm saying that if it was absolutely God's will that a woman should NEVER preach in church - in whatever age and culture - he would have made it very clear. Paul would have repeated it to all the churches so that he could be sure that they knew, and he had taught them, God's will.
Yet he said nothing about this to the church at Rome - where he commended his many female co-workers and acknowledged their deacon. Nor to the church at Philippi, which was probably co founded by women and which had deaconesses; nor to the churches at Ephesus, Galatia - when he was furious that they were believing a false gospel - nor at Thessalonica.
Moreover, not only did Jesus not teach this, he broke all of society's rules and expectations about who women were and how they should be treated. He said that they should not be divorced on a whim, because they are made in the image of God as men are. He called a ritually unclean woman, "daughter". He told a woman who had been caught breaking the Jewish law that he did not condemn her. He allowed women to learn from him and follow him. He revealed to a woman that he was the Messiah, and allowed her to go off and tell the men of her town. He chose Mary Magdalene to be the first witness to the resurrection - note, not the men who were hiding in fear; a lowly woman who was considered to be an unreliable witness.
And how do some sections of his church follow his example and love as he loved them? By telling women who dare to proclaim God's word to sit down, shut up and repent of their disobedience!
Unbelievable. I bet the devil loves these sorts of debates.
Paul didn't say murder was wrong in every epistle, according to yoru logic here that must mean it is okay then because he didn't prohibit it in every leter Gos inspired to become the New Testament!
Paul tells us to love our neighbour as ourselves, Romans 13:10, Galatians 5:4 - as Jesus did. Murder is against God's law and the law of the land, and murdering your neighbour is not showing them love.
Paul didn't say "do not murder your neighbour" and then go off and commit murder. Whereas he said that a woman should not teach and should be silent, but allowed women to prophesy and knew that Priscilla taught Apollos.
Paul in Timothy was talking about when the chjurch was assembled, not individully outside of an assembly of the saints. But as a preacher, you should know that!
So you reckon God's word can be broken as long as it's not in public?
Now you are just being disingenuous. Many practices in the old are not carried over to the new. And I never implied the word never!
So God's changed his mind, then?
He called Deborah to be judge over Israel, allowed women to proclaim his word, and later changed his mind and decided he wasn't going to allow it?
Unless he has changed his mind about his will, he should never have allowed this to happen.
God did not ever prohibit a woman from teaching a man biblical truths,
So women CAN teach men then - as long as it's not in a public building that we call a church?
Women can be CEO's, evangelize men, even take men home and show them biblical truths, can be educators in regular schools, etc.etc.etc.
So women CAN be in authority over men, then?
They can do all this in the communities in which they live, but when they enter a building that we call a church, they have to forget their God given gifts, sit down and be silent?
You're making a compelling case for women never going to church again.
Not in the context laid out in Scripture, no! If she seeks to disciple him in the faith- that is usurping authority.
Priscilla did that.
I would be surprised if Paul's female co-workers who worked so hard for the Gospel, didn't do that too.
But sharing the gospel and conversing with a man in and of itself is not necessarily wrong.
Some have said on these forums that that is wrong, because telling a man that he is a sinner and teaching him what Scripture says, breaks God's "command" in 1 Timothy 2:12 that a woman cannot teach or have authority over.
For such an, apparently, clear verse there are a number of interpretations.