Should we allow immigrants into our country?

[All Englands Skies]

"Immigrants getting excellent jobs is irrelevant". No it's not. It's germaine to the subject.

It's silly to say that all should unionize. Management, those who are self-employed, employees of small business, and others have no reason to unionize. Only a large group with the power to bargain collectively should unionize. Without that power it's not only a waste of time, but dangerous.

Without collectivisation on a grand scale, nothing really changes.

I hope to see the rise of comprehensive Syndicalism in my lifetime. For Society to change on a grand scale.

 

[yellowMan]

legal immigration..certainly
illegal immigration..certainly not

also, recommended reading: The Camp of the Saints

 

[BobRyan]

Is this a Christian thing to do or not?

The United States has had legal immigration for a long time.. 1.18 Million immigrants - granted entry in 2016.. And so far as I know - all Christians support it.

 

[BobRyan]

legal immigration..certainly
illegal immigration..certainly not

also, recommended reading: The Camp of the Saints

Like - purchasing groceries -- legally taking possession of groceries is one thing... illegally doing it is another.

 

[BobRyan]

The definition of bigotry is prejudice and the state of being intolerant. An example of bigotry is disliking people because of their culture.

We sell groceries to people of all cultures in America

 

[SANTOSO]

Is this a Christian thing to do or not?

In summary, I think whether immigrants are allowed in the country, depend on the governing authorities of the country’s willingness and people’s careful considerations. This is what I find out about how the immigrants should be treated when they are allowed as I look at the Holy Scripture; I find the Lord Jesus Christ is a compassionate person and good God in how He told us how to treat the immigrants in the land. I find that the Lord instructs that when immigrants come into the land or country, they are to be treated as native, just like the Jews were once sojourner as strangers in the land of Egypt. The native are told to do what is right, deliver the immigrants from oppressors, do nothing wrong and not to be violent towards the resident aliens, fatherless and widows, Also, the natives are told not shed innocent blood. The Lord instructs that should be one law for the native and immigrants.
In regard to the welfare of the native who are poor that cannot maintain himself or herself are to be treated like immigrants who live in the land. The Lord give instructions that when harvesting the land that outer field to its edge, the gleanings after harvest, and the fallen grapes, forgotten sheaf, beat over again olive, strip over again grapes are to be apportioned to the immigrants,
fatherless and widows in order that the LORD God may bless the native in all the work of their hands. For the Lord watches over and upholds the immigrants, fatherless and widows but the wicked the Lord will bring to ruin. The immigrants who reside among the native and born children among the native shall be regarded as native-born and shall be allotted inheritance like the native. When immigrants want to follow the Lord, he or she has to keep the Lord’s commandments and rulings. The Lord also told that those who practice occult like giving children to the devil whether immigrants or native are to be put to death. Likewise,the Lord also told that those who blaspheme the name of the Lord whether the immigrants or native will be put to death. I also have heard that apostle Peter has given instructions that the immigrants are to abstain from unlawful sexual relationship. The native are also encouraged to be hospitable to the immigrants, as some may have entertained angel unexpectedly. Lastly, the native who have shown compassion to the immigrants by giving food and drink to the hungry, thirsty may unexpectedly have welcomed the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Leviticus 19:33-34; Exodus 23:9；Exodus 12:49; Jeremiah 22:3; Leviticus 25:35; Psalms 146:9; Leviticus 23:22; Leviticus 19:10; Deuteronomy 24:19; Deuteronomy 24:20; Deuteronomy 26:12; Ezekiel 47:22; Numbers 9:14; 1 Peter 2:11;
Leviticus 18:26; Leviticus 24:16;
Leviticus 20:2; Hebrews 13:2; Matthew 25:35

 

[JacksBratt]

The United States has had legal immigration for a long time.. 1.18 Million immigrants - granted entry in 2016.. And so far as I know - all Christians support it.

Legal immigration is necessary.

Proper paperwork, procedure, time and background checks... Any country needs to take the time to do this.

Only AOC hasn't wrapped her head around the fact that you cannot just walk into any country and live there..... But... she's a good bartender.

 

[BobRyan]

In summary, I think whether immigrants are allowed in the country, depend on the governing authorities

True and legal immigration has been a reality in this country for many decades.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Legal immigration is necessary.

Proper paperwork, procedure, time and background checks... Any country needs to take the time to do this.

Only AOC hasn't wrapped her head around the fact that you cannot just walk into any country and live there..... But... she's a good bartender.

Is there proof of the latter? Having never experienced her skill as a bartender I cannot vouch for the truth of that assertion. they say that everyone has at least one thing they do well so there is that possibility because there is nothing i know of , so far, that would preclude it from being that one thing. .

 

[JacksBratt]

Is there proof of the latter? Having never experienced her skill as a bartender I cannot vouch for the truth of that assertion. they say that everyone has at least one thing they do well so there is that possibility because there is nothing i know of , so far, that would preclude it from being that one thing. .

Well, she's gotta be better at that than being in politics. Maybe not even a good bartender then?

 

[SANTOSO]

In this day and age, we can see the migration of people around the world more clearly. The aftermath of world war 1 and world war 2, or any recent wars, new nations are formed and many people are displaced and born into the new nations; some are natives and some are immigrants or strangers who sojourn and eventually make a living in that nation and have children born in that country. This group of immigrants are eventually naturalized as legal immigrants and or native. For new immigrants, are they allowed? If governing authorities and people should consider how they are going to treat the immigrants and what resources they can apportion rightly to the immigrants. Thus, the governing authorities and people can know how many immigrants they can receive and be compassionate so that the Lord will bless them in the work of their hands. When governing authorities and people conduct their affairs fairly, surely the Lord know and reward accordingly.
For our Lord our God teaches and correct nations! Remember the Lord hears prayer of the righteous whether immigrants or native in the land.

Lord Jesus Christ,
You know our present conditions,
that we who are Christians are minority in this country.
You know our present conditions,
that we who are of this ethnicity are minority in this country.
Lord Jesus,
we are alarmed constantly that we are often blackmailed by those who are majority or native in this country; They often squarely put the blame on us for many things.
Lord Jesus,
You know why we cannot depend on this country judicial system — You know the falsehood that is rampant in the courts.
Lord Jesus,
You know that the court system call the evil good and the good evil.
Many that are in authority in this country substitute the light for darkness.
Many sweet things that happen in this country were substitute with bitter things.
It pains, Lord Jesus.
Be pleased, O Lord, to rescue us
Lord, help us and be in hurry.
Lord,
let us who take refuge in You rejoice;
let us ever sing for joy, and spread Your protection over us, that those who love Your name may exult in you.
For You bless the righteous, O LORD;
You cover us with favor as with a shield.
We thank You, Lord of our Righteousness, for You are our shield.
We thank You,Jehovah Nissi, You are our Helper and rescuer.
We thank You, Lord Jesus, for You are our rock, fortress and our deliverer, our God in in whom we take refuge, our shield, and the horn of our salvation, our stronghold.-Psalm 18:2
Amen.

 

[BobRyan]

In this day and age, we can see the migration of people around the world more clearly. The aftermath of world war 1 and world war 2, or any recent wars, new nations are formed and many people are displaced and born into the new nations; some are natives and some are immigrants or strangers who sojourn and eventually make a living in that nation and have children born in that country. This group of immigrants are eventually naturalized as legal immigrants and or native. For new immigrants, are they allowed?

There has always been suffering and need and legal immigration. More Christians were persecuted and died in the 20th century than in the persecutions of all centuries combined according to some statistics. So not a lot of "never before happened" scenarios in 2020 as compared to decades past. Hence the accommodation for legal immigration.

There are temporary slow-downs due to safety precautions in world-wide-pandemic conditions - but that is new in the past few months and not standard practice outside of world-wide-pandemic context.

 

[JacksBratt]

In this day and age, we can see the migration of people around the world more clearly. The aftermath of world war 1 and world war 2, or any recent wars, new nations are formed and many people are displaced and born into the new nations; some are natives and some are immigrants or strangers who sojourn and eventually make a living in that nation and have children born in that country. This group of immigrants are eventually naturalized as legal immigrants and or native. For new immigrants, are they allowed? If governing authorities and people should consider how they are going to treat the immigrants and what resources they can apportion rightly to the immigrants. Thus, the governing authorities and people can know how many immigrants they can receive and be compassionate so that the Lord will bless them in the work of their hands. When governing authorities and people conduct their affairs fairly, surely the Lord know and reward accordingly.
For our Lord our God teaches and correct nations! Remember the Lord hears prayer of the righteous whether immigrants or native in the land.

Lord Jesus Christ,
You know our present conditions,
that we who are Christians are minority in this country.
You know our present conditions,
that we who are of this ethnicity are minority in this country.
Lord Jesus,
we are alarmed constantly that we are often blackmailed by those who are majority or native in this country; They often squarely put the blame on us for many things.
Lord Jesus,
You know why we cannot depend on this country judicial system — You know the falsehood that is rampant in the courts.
Lord Jesus,
You know that the court system call the evil good and the good evil.
Many that are in authority in this country substitute the light for darkness.
Many sweet things that happen in this country were substitute with bitter things.
It pains, Lord Jesus.
Be pleased, O Lord, to rescue us
Lord, help us and be in hurry.
Lord,
let us who take refuge in You rejoice;
let us ever sing for joy, and spread Your protection over us, that those who love Your name may exult in you.
For You bless the righteous, O LORD;
You cover us with favor as with a shield.
We thank You, Lord of our Righteousness, for You are our shield.
We thank You,Jehovah Nissi, You are our Helper and rescuer.
We thank You, Lord Jesus, for You are our rock, fortress and our deliverer, our God in in whom we take refuge, our shield, and the horn of our salvation, our stronghold.-Psalm 18:2
Amen.

Immigration, for whatever reason, is allowed... and even encouraged.

Countries require people of all skill sets for proper function. It is very necessary to get people of these skill sets, from other countries, when your country is depleted, lacking or void of certain professions and skills.

Having said that.. There remains a very constant, required and vital procedure for people to follow and governments to set up, when deciding who can come and how many.

You do not want to overload your population with a certain skill set.. or allow so many people into the country that the economy suffers with unemployment, housing, education systems, crime or other issues that would arise from massive influx of people from other countries and cultures.

For this reason... a country is like a human cell.. It allows certain nutrients in, certain nutrients out, protects from disease and other conditions that could harm the cell.

This is done at the cell membrane... sometimes.. it needs to resemble a wall.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Is this a Christian thing to do or not?

Sure. WE always have, and we always will.

However, they must come according to the LAWS OF THE COUNTRY they're entering, and agree to be regulated by those laws, PARTICULARLY if they desire to be considered "CITIZENS" of that country. To extent "Citizenship privileges" to NON-Citizens is idiotic beyond belief.

The U.S.A, however, IS NOT AND NEVER WAS a "Christian Country". THAT would be against our Constitution. And as time goes on, and the U.S. continues it's spiritual death spiral, the less "Christian principles" will be in evidence.

 

[Albion]

The U.S.A, however, IS NOT AND NEVER WAS a "Christian Country". THAT would be against our Constitution.

It never was an officially Christian nation, but it was from the start a nation primarily inhabited by Christians who impressed their religious values upon society.

What kept us from having a de facto national religion was the fact that we had so many different varieties of Christianity, unlike most other Christian nations.

 

[solid_core]

It never was an officially Christian nation, but it was from the start a nation primarily inhabited by Christians who impressed their religious values upon society.

What kept us from having a de facto national religion was the fact that we had so many different varieties of Christianity, unlike most other Christian nations.

So, why was slavery allowed there, if the nation was inhabited by Christians who impressed their values upon society?

There were no slaves in Europe, for example, where the Americans fled from to create a more free society... with forced slavery...?

 

[Albion]

So, why was slavery allowed there, if the nation was inhabited by Christians who impressed their values upon society?

For most of the territory of the United States, slavery was absent, and that was the case because of Christian thinking about slavery. Yes. Absolutely.

 

[solid_core]

For most of the territory of the United States, slavery was absent

I hope this is true. And I hope that "most" is really a vast majority, not only some statistical most.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

So, why was slavery allowed there, if the nation was inhabited by Christians who impressed their values upon society?

There were no slaves in Europe, for example, where the Americans fled from to create a more free society... with forced slavery...?

What does the Bible say about slavery?

 

[BobRyan]

So, why was slavery allowed there, if the nation was inhabited by Christians who impressed their values upon society?

There were no slaves in Europe, for example, where the Americans fled from to create a more free society... with forced slavery...?

Slavery in the Middle East continued until the 1900's
Slavery in Europe started before slavery in America

"Slavery has a long history in England/Britain and has varied with the many historical shifts. We do not know about slavery in neolithic Britain. The Celts practiced slavery, but unlike Rome it was not a vital component of society and the economy. This changed with the Roman conquest (1st cenyury AD) and the Romanization of Celtic Britain. This declined after the Anglo-Saxon invasions (6th century), especully the Christianization of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. The Viking raids and conquests was in part slave raiding and trading (9th century)."

Slavery was ended in America where Christian churches in the north took a stand against it.