Sanctification: Entire, or Ongoing?

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Sorry that I didn't quote Scriptures--I probably could have, maybe should have. I usually quote them when I recognize where my thinking came from.

So the maturing process comes from a number of verses that suggest maturity and growth. In Luke 8 Jesus talked about the sowing of seeds, which grow yielding fruit. In 1 Cor 2.6 Paul speaks about Christians who are mature and as such have wisdom from God. In Heb 5.14 the author speaks of those who are mature who can eat meat, and not just drink milk like infants.

James 1.4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

Paul even speaks about collective growth, when the Church is functioning in harmony...

Eph 4.15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Paul speaks of his not having reached perfection even well into his ministry.

Phil 3.13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
15 All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.


Living in the sin-contaminated flesh is a never-ending job of overcoming...

Rom 8.10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

1 Cor 9.26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

2 Cor 4.10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

Christian maturity means getting used to justification by grace alone, to paraphrase Gerhard Forde.

Yes, there is wisdom involved in that, but wisdom should lead us towards mercy, something that is too often lacking in the Holiness vision of Christian vocation based on "Fruit picking". As one Scottish Presbyterian minister put it, "Be merciful to everyone, because everyone is fighting a great battle". Too often sanctification focuses on living up to external standards and rules arbitrarily applied, instead of being merciful. Humanity is perversely disordered and fallen by nature, and we always will be in this life to some extent, so if we want mercy, we should also be merciful and forgiving.
 
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That doesn't mean we are sinless in this life.

Entire sanctification is works-righteousness and overturns the Gospel of grace.

I don't believe in works based righteousness. I don't believe in that form of sanctification. However, I believe in abiding in Christ as taught in Johns gospel, and walking in the Spirit that we not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 John 1:9 is awesome, and so true. The forgiveness of God through Christs blood (1:7) is sufficient to cleanse us from all sin and unrighteousness.

1 John 1:8 & 10 is obvious since Romans 3:23 states All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and elsewhere it's written there is no one good, no not one: there is no one that sinneth not. In original sin passed through Adam we are all sinners, and have sinned.

There are some people that erroneously say "I have no sin because there is no sin" but that is as foolish as those who say "I have no soul." which I actually heard someone say this morning!

But let's move on to 1 John 2:1-6, 3:6-10, 5:2-5, and 5:18. Read these passages, and in KJV preferably so they are not watered down and lost in modern translation. NKJV is ok too. These passages are very weighty and powerful, even frightening to some; and some would rather avoid them.

It's very clear the bulk of 1 John deals with living a sanctified life, free from sin, with the caveat IF anyone sin, we have an advocate, and the sin will be forgiven. (2:1 & 5:16)

I personally lean in the direction of entire sanctification and perfection, though I believe our flesh contains the sin nature from Adam, and that will not change till we receive glorification in the resurrected body.

Look what Arthur Pink wrote on 1 John 2:1, and Pink was NOT a believer in entire sanctification or perfection (sinless perfection)

"Admire the blessed balance of truth there, and observe the order in which it is presented (I've often said same before I got this book: observe the order of what comes first). There is no turning the grace of God into lasciviousness making light of sin, but a forbidding of us to commit any. "Sin not" needs to be turned into fervent prayer...
"Sin not." Allow not yourself in any; no, not in what men term "little ones," yield to no temptation. Keep yourself unspotted from the world. Even though divine provision is made for sin, yet God's demand is "Cease to do evil; learn to do well." (Isa 1:16-17) - A.W. Pink, An Exposition on the Epistle of First John, (1952), Chapter 13, pgs 119 & 120
 
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The real reason we should seek to do good is to glorify God and help our neighbor. The focus on ones own holiness can draw us away from this.

That is part of personal holiness, a BIG part of it. When helping others, and showing that love of Christ, we are naturally engaged in a work of holiness and sanctification without realizing it, or doing it to make points: of which nothing we do can earn any points with God. He chooses us not for us, but for His glory, and chooses us to be sanctified. We must let Him increase in us, and us decrease and it will come naturally, as John the Baptist.
 
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The moment a person says, "I have nothing to repent of" they quench the Spirit and His work of sanctifying us. There can be no sanctification without repentance, without confession of sins. The flesh despises repentance, because the flesh loves glory.

The final words of Dr. Luther, "We are beggars" is always true.

We are always beggars. And let us never forget it.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The moment a person says, "I have nothing to repent of" they quench the Spirit and His work of sanctifying us. There can be no sanctification without repentance, without confession of sins. The flesh despises repentance, because the flesh loves glory.

The final words of Dr. Luther, "We are beggars" is always true.

We are always beggars. And let us never forget it.

-CryptoLutheran

I believe we should live in a continual state of repentance. No one should say they have nothing to repent of. Even if you have committed no known sin in the day, it is still wise to pray as I say often, Psalm 139:23-24, "Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting."

In the flesh I am a wyrm. Strive to walk in the Spirit, that ye not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. This is where crucifixion and mortification comes in: the putting off the old man, and putting on the new.
 
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That is part of personal holiness, a BIG part of it.

It's not just a big part, it's the only part that actually matters to anybody but us. Throughout the Bible, there is a rebuke of the notion that religious correctness or piety earns any kind of merit or favor with God. The two great commandments are to love God and love our neighbor. Those aren't necessarily understood through a religious lens, particularly if we make any pretense to being heirs of the Protestant reformation. To paraphrase Luther, "God does not need our good works, but our neighbor does".
 
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It's not just a big part, it's the only part that actually matters to anybody but us. Throughout the Bible, there is a rebuke of the notion that religious correctness or piety earns any kind of merit or favor with God. The two great commandments are to love God and love our neighbor. Those aren't necessarily understood through a religious lens, particularly if we make any pretense to being heirs of the Protestant reformation. To paraphrase Luther, "God does not need our good works, but our neighbor does".

It doesn't earn any favor at all with God, however, it is commanded by God clearly: Be ye holy for I am Holy; Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness," (2 Peter 3:11)

If we are truly walking in the two great commandments, they encompass all 10 commandments: Loving God with all your heart soul, mind, and strength will automatically make you holy - Loving your neighbor as yourself also makes you holy, and fulfills all that is written in Johns first epistle.

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (2 Cor. 7:1)
 
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It doesn't earn any favor at all with God, however, it is commanded by God clearly: Be ye holy for I am Holy; Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness," (2 Peter 3:11)

If we are truly walking in the two great commandments, they encompass all 10 commandments: Loving God with all your heart soul, mind, and strength will automatically make you holy - Loving your neighbor as yourself also makes you holy, and fulfills all that is written in Johns first epistle.

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (2 Cor. 7:1)

Yeah, well, the problem is that in Holiness churches, "Holiness" is usually reduced to pelvic issues or even (now days) politics. The holiness God cares about is promoting justice and peace and care for the marginalized in society , not about the kind of pharisaical religion most "Holiness" churches practice.
 
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Yeah, well, the problem is that in Holiness churches, "Holiness" is usually reduced to pelvic issues or even (now days) politics. The holiness God cares about is promoting justice and peace and care for the marginalized in society , not about the kind of pharisaical religion most "Holiness" churches practice.

That would be the Legalistic churches. I've seen them. Lots of "rules" about dress, and especially for women: no makeup or jewelry at all, no cutting their hair. One church back in the 90s didn't even believe in wearing wedding bands! Strangely, the Father in the prodigal son story places a ring on his sons finger! I know some holy women who have shorter hair, and actually wear earrings! Oh my! But their lifestyle is one of holiness. Man looks on the outward appearance but Yahweh the LORD looks upon the heart.
 
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It's not just a big part, it's the only part that actually matters to anybody but us. Throughout the Bible, there is a rebuke of the notion that religious correctness or piety earns any kind of merit or favor with God. The two great commandments are to love God and love our neighbor. Those aren't necessarily understood through a religious lens, particularly if we make any pretense to being heirs of the Protestant reformation. To paraphrase Luther, "God does not need our good works, but our neighbor does".
Yes, and yet what we do for our neighbor we do for Him. We need our good works because they reflect that love, a love which does please God while happening to fulfill the law at the same time. It's ok to be obligated -obligated to love.
 
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Yes, and yet what we do for our neighbor we do for Him. We need our good works because they reflect that love, a love which does please God while happening to fulfill the law at the same time. It's ok to be obligated -obligated to love.

I would agree that we are obligated to love. The question is what is the nature of this obligation:

Does God need pleasing, or does my neighbor need feeding?

I would argue that when we think of religion as God needs pleasing we are taking upon ourselves a pagan mentality; one which Scripture routinely demolishes.

"I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds.
For every beast of the forest is Mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
I know all the birds of the hills,
and all that moves in the field is Mine.

If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and its fullness is Mine.
Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?
Offer to God a sacrifice of thanksgiving,
and perform your vows to the Most High,
and call upon Me in the day of trouble;
I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.
"
- Psalm 50:8-15

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I would agree that we are obligated to love. The question is what is the nature of this obligation:

Does God need pleasing, or does my neighbor need feeding?

I would argue that when we think of religion as God needs pleasing we are taking upon ourselves a pagan mentality; one which Scripture routinely demolishes.

"I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds.
For every beast of the forest is Mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
I know all the birds of the hills,
and all that moves in the field is Mine.

If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and its fullness is Mine.
Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?
Offer to God a sacrifice of thanksgiving,
and perform your vows to the Most High,
and call upon Me in the day of trouble;
I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.
"
- Psalm 50:8-15

-CryptoLutheran

The Hebrew prophets were actually critical of the notion of sacrifices involving burnt offerings. So was Jesus (according to biblical scholar James Tabor and several others I have read).

Sacrifice is actually a kind of idolatry, because it has its origins in the notions that our relationship to God can be transactional, that we have something to give to God.
 
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I would agree that we are obligated to love. The question is what is the nature of this obligation:

Does God need pleasing, or does my neighbor need feeding?

I would argue that when we think of religion as God needs pleasing we are taking upon ourselves a pagan mentality; one which Scripture routinely demolishes.

"I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds.
For every beast of the forest is Mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
I know all the birds of the hills,
and all that moves in the field is Mine.

If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and its fullness is Mine.
Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?
Offer to God a sacrifice of thanksgiving,
and perform your vows to the Most High,
and call upon Me in the day of trouble;
I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.
"
- Psalm 50:8-15

-CryptoLutheran
And this is why Jesus could quote Hosea 6:6 telling us what God really wants:
"But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matt 9:13
"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

God doesn't need anything from us, or for us to even exist for that matter. And yet God is very. very pleased by our faith, our hope, and, most importantly, our love; that's what He wants. Love is defined by mercy, patience, self-giving, holiness, etc. and is inseparable from the acts that result from those dispositions, from that highest of virtues that is reflective of the very nature of God. This is what He wants from and for us, for our own highest good. And love does, for others, without regard to receiving anything back.

Love, along with any other goodness, is a work of God's in us. But love is also the righteousness that He's wanted in us all along, the righteousness that the law testifies to but cannot deliver. Love and sin are mutually exclusive and love obeys God by its nature and God has been working to cultivate that love in man ever since his first act of disobedience in Eden. Simple, humble, profoundly powerful, life-giving love is the heart of the Christian faith; its why Jesus did what He did. In opposing sin and death He died, with the ultimate sacrifice so that we may live and love. A mark of how stupidly and foolishly wrong this world is makes itself clear in that man preferred darkness to that light, to that simple love. 'We love Him because He first loved us'...or, we can resist and reject that work of His, that love, and remain in our darkness. To become a son of God means to jump on board with Him in His love, and remain there, and growing in it which is the natural result of that fellowship.
 
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And this is why Jesus could quote Hosea 6:6 telling us what God really wants:
"But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matt 9:13
"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

God doesn't need anything from us, or for us to even exist for that matter. And yet God is very. very pleased by our faith, our hope, and, most importantly, our love; that's what He wants. Love is defined by mercy, patience, self-giving, holiness, etc. and is inseparable from the acts that result from those dispositions, from that highest of virtues that is reflective of the very nature of God. This is what He wants from and for us, for our own highest good. And love does, for others, without regard to receiving anything back.

Love, along with any other goodness, is a work of God's in us. But love is also the righteousness that He's wanted in us all along, the righteousness that the law testifies to but cannot deliver. Love and sin are mutually exclusive and love obeys God by its nature and God has been working to cultivate that love in man ever since his first act of disobedience in Eden. Simple, humble, profoundly powerful, life-giving love is the heart of the Christian faith; its why Jesus did what He did. In opposing sin and death He died, with the ultimate sacrifice so that we may live and love. A mark of how stupidly and foolishly wrong this world is makes itself clear in that man preferred darkness to that light, to that simple love. 'We love Him because He first loved us'...or, we can resist and reject that work of His, that love, and remain in our darkness. To become a son of God means to jump on board with Him in His love, and remain there, and growing in it which is the natural result of that fellowship.

And this is the active righteousness which we ought to have out of obedience--and love--which comes from the grace and power of God to convert us; calling us and inviting us to follow Christ, to take up our cross and endure.

The danger is thinking that this active righteousness is a path toward glory, either in this life or the next.

Abraham had faith and it was accounted to him as righteousness, this is the righteousness of faith, an accredited righteousness, an imputed righteousness. That is what reckons us as just before God, the righteousness accredited to us because Christ is righteous; He has made satisfaction.

Passive righteousness, the righteousness of faith, is what converts us; and it is a converted heart that then hears the call, "Come" and by the Spirit's power, by grace, we then take up cross and follow--to go and love our neighbor.

This is why God is pleased by mercy rather than sacrifice; God desires contrition rather than burnt offerings. Because it is not what we do for God that is pleasing to Him.

If He were hungry, He would not tell us--for He needs neither food nor drink; but my neighbor does. When our neighbor is loved, God is pleased, because that is the love and will of God.

It's about understanding direction. The direction of salvation is not from us to God, but from God to us. And the direction of good works is not from us to God, but from us to our fellow man, to our neighbor. God gives Himself away, and we too are to give ourselves away.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Ar the moment of salvation, we are sanctified - set apart/made holy in standing before God positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Yet the reality of that holiness becomes more and more evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, we read - For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

So, becoming washed, sanctified and justified in Christ is a one-time event and is not a process, yet abstaining from sexual immorality is not a one-time event, but an ongoing process.

Here is how I understand it. The believer possesses a positional, judicial standing of righteousness in Christ and, second, an ongoing process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives.

We will not reach entire sanctification until we receive our glorified bodies.
 
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Abraham had faith and it was accounted to him as righteousness, this is the righteousness of faith, an accredited righteousness, an imputed righteousness. That is what reckons us as just before God, the righteousness accredited to us because Christ is righteous; He has made satisfaction.
There's more to it than that because there's more to faith than simply believing in faith, itself, to save us and there's more to justification than forgiveness of sin.

Faith implies-faith means- union, solidarity, oneness with God. It's to become "My people", Jer 31:33, and to receive righteousness from on high as we're made new creations. The letter to the Romans screams that this righteousness is freely given to us, not only declared or imputed, and that were responsible for cooperating in remaining and growing in it as we remain in Him. And this reconciles the rest of the new testament where we're shown and told over and over again what types of behavior are necessary in order to be and remain just in the eyes of God and therefore to obtain eternal life. Not "works of the law" but obedience, overcoming sin, and doing good nonetheless, by the power of the Spirit now. Faith is the gateway to this life of grace as it's the gateway to God.

Faith is the first right step for man, placing us in right order with God and creation, and that's why it pleases God so greatly; it's the basis of justice for man and, as such, is the beginning and foundation of our salvation. From the point of God justifying the ungodly, we must persevere in walking in that newfound justice that comes only from God, and grow in it.

It's interesting, if not unfortunate, that this thread demonstrates at least three different views on what it takes to satisfy God's requirement for justice.

We all agree that Jesus paid the price but we disagree on what, exactly, He gained for us and what our role must be, if anything. At one extreme is an idea that man now can and must have perfect sinlessness in this life, and there is scripture that seems to support that position all right. But the church rejected this idea centuries ago.

At the other extreme is the notion that sin doesn't really matter for a believer. Or, better than this, perhaps, that the issue will somehow resolve itself, that as long as we believe we'll become sufficiently sinless, apparently, even though no righteousness has been added to the justified person in that understanding of Sola Fide, and even though, as they insist, sanctification has nothing to do with our state of justice before God.

In the historical teachings of the churches along with the early fathers, the truth is somewhere in between. Again, it's understood that perfect sinlessness is unattainable in this life and yet that there are sins that inevitably lead to death, that mean death as they're so overtly opposed to love of God and neighbor and destroy love in us. Righteousness is said to be given to us at justification but that we must make the effort to remain in and grow in it, that we participate in God's work.

And while scripture supports this position too, it also makes too much sense. If the requirement for obedience was going to be done away with in the future anyway, then God could have just forgone it's requirement in Eden and placed Adam and the rest of us in heaven so that all the evil and sin and darkness and ugliness experienced since the Fall would've been precluded. Instead He allowed man to fall into and experience a godless world and has been patiently preparing man, calling him back to his senses ever since so, like prodigals who've experienced the pigsty, we might now say "yes" instead of "no" to a Father we now finally acknowledge and recognize as having a wisdom and goodness far superior to our own. Faith is that first "yes" that makes us His children. From there we must continue to say yes daily as we pick up our cross and follow. We must persevere, we must act as children of His should. It's not guaranteed; grace is resistible.

God covets our willingness, however weakly it may be mustered and expressed by us at first, no matter how much it must be drawn and aided and cultivated by His grace. He doesn't just suddenly overwhelm us with his grace, compelling us to believe in any absolute sense, or compelling us to remain in Him afterwards. Sorry if I've been a bit wordy here. But I could've gone on....LOL.
 
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If you were to ask which doctrine I believe, I'm honestly between the two! I see the points of both in scripture. I believe sanctification MUST be taught, and truly without holiness no one shall see the LORD. The question remains whether we can attain entire sanctification as a perpetual ongoing thing. I think there are moments of it, maybe even a day of it, where in my experience I must pray Psalm 139 and ask the Lord to search me and see if there is any wicked in me. But to maintain that day by day ongoing I have yet to experience.

This is from Dougan Clark (1828-1896), Quaker: Professor of Systematic Theology and Church History in Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana, The Theology of Holiness:

"It is a lamentable fact that there is a large class of Christians to whom the subject of entire sanctification is a matter of indifference. They hope, with or without sufficient reason, that their sins are forgiven. They propose to live moral and useful lives, and trust, again with or without sufficient reason, that they will go to heaven when they die. The subject of holiness does not interest them. They suppose themselves to be doing well enough without it.

There are others claiming to be Christians, to whom the subject is even positively distasteful. It is an offence to them. They do not want to hear it preached. They regard those who claim it as cranks. They look upon holiness meetings as being hotbeds of delusion and spiritual pride. They turn away from the whole subject not only with indifference, but with disdain.

There are still others, and these God’s children, as we may charitably believe, who do not even regard holiness as a desirable thing. They assert that it is needful and salutary to retain some sin in the heart as long as we live, in order to keep us humble. It is true that they are never able to tell how much sin it takes to have this beneficial effect, but a certain amount they are bent on having.

Another class takes the opposite view. They regard holiness as very desirable, and a very lovely thing to gaze upon and think upon, but they also regard it as quite impossible of attainment. They hope to grow towards it all the days of their lives, and to get it at the moment of death. Not sooner than the dying hour, do they believe any human being can be made holy. Not till death is separating the soul from the body can even God Himself separate sin from the soul. The whole doctrine of entire sanctification, therefore, they regard as a beautiful theory, but wholly impossible as an experience, and wholly impracticable as a life.

In general terms, we may say that carnal Christians, as described by Paul in I. Corinthians 3:1-4, are opposed to the doctrine of entire sanctification. “The carnal mind is enmity against God,” and the carnal mind is irreconcilably opposed to holiness. This opposition may take one of the forms already described, or, possibly, some other forms which have been overlooked, but the root of the hostility is the same in all. Wherever “our old man” has his home in a Christian’s heart, there entire sanctification will be rejected.

But we must not forget that there are many exceptions. There are thousands of sincere, believing hearts in all Christian denominations, in whom inbred sin still exists, but not with the consent of the will. They are tired—very tired of the tyrant that rules them, or of the ceaseless struggles by which, with God’s added and assisting grace, they are enabled to keep him under. They long for deliverance. They are hungering for full salvation, and rejoice to hear the message of entire sanctification through the baptism with the Holy Ghost and fire. The Lord bless all these hungering multitudes, and give them the desire of their hearts by saving them to the uttermost, and may their numbers be vastly increased, so that the banner of Christ’s church may everywhere be unfurled—the banner on which is inscribed the glorious motto of Holiness to the Lord.

Now we meet all objections to the doctrine of entire sanctification— whether in the form of indifference, or dislike, or undesirableness, or impossibility—with the simple proposition, It is necessary. If this proposition can be established, all objections, of whatever character, must fall to the ground, and the eager cry of every Christian heart must be, How can I obtain that priceless blessing which is essential to my eternal bliss, which is indispensable, and without which I shall never see the Lord?

For this is the language of the Holy Ghost in Heb. 12:14, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord,” and in the Revised Version, “Follow after peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no man shall see the Lord.” This can mean nothing short of entire sanctification, or the removal of inbred sin. And, surely, it is hardly necessary to argue the question as to the indispensableness of this blessed experience, in order to gain an entrance into heaven. Everyone will admit that God Himself is a perfectly and absolutely holy Being, and He has ever told His followers in all ages, “Be ye holy for I am holy"—making His own perfect and entire holiness the sufficient reason for requiring the same quality in His people. And, although the holiness of the highest created being will always fall infinitely short of that of the Infinite God, as regards quantity, it will be the same in quality, for Jesus tells us, “Be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect,” not, of course, with the unmeasurable amount of perfection which appertains to Him, but with the same kind of perfection so far as it goes. And again in Rev. 21:27, we are told that “There shall in no wise enter into it” (the heavenly city) “anything that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination or maketh a lie.” Heaven is a holy place, and occupied with none but holy inhabitants."

This is from R.A. Torrey, Congregational, in his 1918 book "The Fundamental Doctrines of the Christian Faith" chapter 11, Sanctification

"I. WHAT SANCTIFICATION IS
First, then, let us consider what Sanctification is.

1. In the first place let me make it clear that, Sanctification is not the "Baptism with the Holy Spirit." The two are constantly confused. There is an intimate relation between the two, but they are not at all one and the same thing; and only confusion and misconception can arise from confounding two experiences which God keeps separate. That Sanctification is not the baptism with the Holy Spirit and that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is not Sanctification, will become clear as we proceed and find out from a study of the Bible just what Sanctification is.

2. In the second place, let me say that Sanctification is not the eradication of the carnal nature. [227]We will see this when we come to examine God's definition of Sanctification; for God has very clearly defined what Sanctification is and when it takes place. Those who teach "the eradication of the carnal nature" are grasping after a great and precious truth, but they have expressed that truth in a very inaccurate, unfortunate, and unscriptural way, and this way of stating it leads to grave misapprehensions and errors and abuses. The whole controversy about "the eradication of the carnal nature" arises from a misapprehension and from using terms for which there is no warrant in the Bible. The Bible nowhere speaks about "the carnal nature," and so certainly not about "the eradication of the carnal nature." There is such a thing as a carnal nature, but it is not a material thing, not a substance, not a something that can be eradicated as you pull a tooth or remove the vermiform appendix. "A carnal nature" is a nature controlled by the flesh. Certainly it is a believer's privilege not to have his nature governed by the flesh. Our nature should be and may be under the control of the Holy Spirit, and then it is not a carnal nature; but one nature has not been eradicated and another nature put in its place, but our nature is taken out from under the control of the flesh and put under the control of the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, while it is our privilege to have our nature under the control of the Holy Spirit and delivered from the control of the flesh, we still [228]have "the flesh," and shall have the flesh as long as we are in this body. But if we "walk by the Spirit" we do not "fulfil the lusts of the flesh" (Gal. 5:16). The 8th chapter of Romans describes the life of victory, just as the 7th chapter, 9-24 verse describes the life of defeat, when men are "carnal, sold under sin," but it is in the 8th chapter where life "in the Spirit" is described (Rom. 8:9) that we are told that we still have the flesh, but that it is our privilege not to "live after the flesh," but "by the Spirit," to "put to death the deeds of the body." So we see that the body is there, but in the power of the Spirit we do, day by day and (if we live up to our privilege) every day and every hour and every minute, continuously "put to death the deeds of the body."

3. So much as to what Sanctification is not. We will see exactly what it is if we look at God's definition of Sanctification. We shall find that the word Sanctification is used in the Bible in a two-fold sense.

(1) The first meaning of Sanctification we will find in Lev. 8:10-12, "And Moses took the anointing oil, and anointed the tabernacle and all that was therein, and sanctified them. And he sprinkled thereof upon the altar seven times, and anointed the altar and all its vessels, and the laver and its base, to sanctify them. And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head and anointed him to sanctify him." Now it is perfectly clear in this passage that to sanctify means to separate or set [229]apart for God, and that Sanctification is the process of setting apart or state of being set apart for God. The word Sanctify is used in this sense over and over again. Another illustration is Lev. 27:14, 17. "And when a man shall sanctify his house to be holy unto God, then the priest shall estimate it, whether it be good or bad: as the priest shall estimate it, so shall it stand . . . and if a man shall sanctify unto Jehovah part of a field of his possession, then the estimation shall be according to the sowing thereof." Here again it is plain that to sanctify means to separate or set apart for God, and that Sanctification is the process of setting apart or state of being set apart for God. Still another illustration of this same use of the word sanctify is found in Num. 8:17, "For all the firstborn among the children of Israel are mine, both man and beast: on the day that I smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I sanctified them for myself." This, of course, does not mean that God, at the time that He smote the firstborn in Egypt, eradicated the carnal nature from the first-born of Israel. It does mean that He set apart all the first-born to be peculiarly His own. Another very suggestive illustration of the same usage of the word is found in the case of Jeremiah as stated by himself in Jer. 1:4, 5, "Now the word of Jehovah came unto me saying, before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee: I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations." [230]This plainly means that before his birth God set Jeremiah apart for Himself. There would still be much imperfection and infirmity in him, but he was set apart for God. Another suggestive illustration of the same use of the word Sanctify is found in Matt. 23:27, in the words of our Lord Jesus Himself: "Ye fools and blind; for which is greater, the gold, or the temple that hath sanctified the gold?" But perhaps the most striking illustration of all is in what our Lord says about His own sanctification in John 17:19, "And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth." Here the plain meaning is that our Lord Jesus set Himself apart for this work for God and He did it in order that believers might be set apart for God "in truth," or "in the truth." This is the most frequent use of the word sanctify. There are numerous illustrations of it in the Bible. So to sanctify means to separate or set apart for God; and Sanctification is the process of setting apart or the state of being set apart for God. This is the primary meaning of the words.

(2) But the word as used in the Bible has also a secondary signification closely related to this primary meaning. An illustration of this secondary meaning will be found in II Chron. 29:5, "Hear me, ye Levites; now sanctify yourselves, and sanctify the house of Jehovah, the God of your fathers, and carry forth the filthiness out of the holy place." Bearing in mind the "parallelism" [231]which is the chief characteristic of Hebrew poetry, it is plain that to sanctify here is synonymous with the "Carry forth the filthiness out of the holy places" found in the last part of the verse. So to sanctify here means to separate from ceremonial or moral defilement, to cleanse; and Sanctification is the process of separating, or state of being separated from ceremonial or moral defilement. The same use of the word is found in Lev. 11:44, "For I am Jehovah thy God: sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that moveth upon the earth." Here again it is clear that "sanctify yourselves" is synonymous with "be ye holy" and is contrasted with "defile yourselves" and means to separate from ceremonial or moral defilement, to cleanse; and Sanctification is the process of separating or state of being separated from ceremonial or moral defilement. The same meaning of sanctification is found in the New Testament in I Thess. 5:23, "And the God of Peace, Himself sanctify you wholly and may your Spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." Here we see the close relation between entire sanctification and preserving wholly, without blame, and to sanctify here clearly means to separate from moral defilement, and sanctification here again is the process of separating or state of being separated from moral defilement. The same thing is evident [232]from the 4th chapter of this same epistle in the 7th verse (I Thess. 4:7), "For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification." Our "Sanctification" is here set in direct contrast with "uncleanness," and hence it is evident that sanctification here means the state of being separated from all moral defilement. The same thing is evident from the 3rd verse of this same chapter, "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye abstain from fornication." Here again it is evident that Sanctification means separation from impurity or moral defilement. The two meanings, then, of Sanctification are: the process of separating or setting apart, or state of being separated or set apart, for God; and the process of separating or state of being separated from ceremonial or moral defilement. These two meanings of the word are closely allied—one cannot be truly separated to God without being separated from sin."

"3. But we have not found the whole answer to the question of When Men are Sanctified, even yet. We find the remainder of the answer to the question in our text, 1 Thess. 5:23 accurately translated as it is in the Revised Version, "And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." Here we are plainly told that the complete sanctification of believers, complete in the fullest sense, is something to be sought for in prayer and that is to be accomplished by God in the future and perfected at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The same thought is found in this same book, the 3rd chapter and 12th and 13th verses, "And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you, to the end that he may establish your hearts unblamable in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with his saints." It is "at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints" that He is to establish our hearts unblamable in holiness before our God and Father and that our spirit and soul and body are to be preserved entire without blame. The same thought is found in I John 3:2, "Beloved, now are we children of God, it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." It is not in the life that now is, and it is not at death, that we are entirely sanctified, spirit, soul, and body. It is at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is one of the many reasons why the well-instructed believer constantly cries, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Come quickly.""
Wesley doctrine of entire Sanctification, second blessing, second work of grace, is the same as taught in the early church ie. Macarian homilies, Saint Anthony, Syriac fathers etc. there are many terms used: purity of heart, removal of the carnal mind, mind of Christ, apatheia, theoria, theosis, dispassion, impassibility, in Russian it is: Бесстрастие. There are many early Methodist testimonies as well as the writings of the church Fathers all speak on it.
 
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Common terms for Entire Sanctification/ the Second Blessing:

Happy in God

The kingdom within

Filled with the Spirit

Sealed with the Spirit

Witness of the Spirit (Assurance)

Clothed with power from on high

The Promise of the Father

The Anointing

Oil from Heaven

Warm in the Spirit

Baptism with the Spirit

The Spirit of Adoption

Perfect Love

Spiritual Canaan

The Mind of Christ (1 Cor. 2:16)

The Comfort of the Spirit

God's Rest

Overshadowing of the Spirit

Quickening of the Spirit

Being animated by the Spirit

Intoxicated (inebriated) with the Spirit (New Wine)

Liberty of the Spirit

The Living Water (Live Agua, Agua Vida)

Wells bubbling over (overflowing) from innermost being (effervescence)

Illumination

Intuition

Enlightenment

Free Flowing Salt

Having the Salt in ourselves (Mark 9:50)

1 Samuel 10:6
The Spirit of the LORD will rush on you, and you will be changed into a different person.

1 Samuel 16:13
Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and the Spirit of the LORD rushed on David from that day forward.
 
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Wesley doctrine of entire Sanctification, second blessing, second work of grace, is the same as taught in the early church ie. Macarian homilies, Saint Anthony, Syriac fathers etc. there are many terms used: purity of heart, removal of the carnal mind, mind of Christ, apatheia, theoria, theosis, dispassion, impassibility, in Russian it is: Бесстрастие. There are many early Methodist testimonies as well as the writings of the church Fathers all speak on it.
Yes, and I think it would be accurate to say that according to the early church-and according to Mr Wesley, too, I believe- this ongoing sanctification is necessary.
 
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Wesley said that Christian perfection is an
instantaneous, as well as a gradual work of God. Wesley’s answer on how we are to wait for the change: Not in careless indifference, or indolent inactivity; but in vigorous, universal obedience, in a zealous keeping of all the commands, in watchfulness and painfulness, in denying ourselves, and taking up our cross daily; as well as in earnest prayer and fasting, and a close attendance on all the ordinances of God. It is true, we receive it by simple faith; but God does not, will not, give that faith, unless we seek it with all diligence.
In the words of a great missionary "Peace comes with a price"
 
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