Planned Parenthood abandons Title X federal funds after Trump rule prohibits abortion referrals

[hedrick]

Or it exposes what is already known. Abortion is the primary influx of money for PP. Also what they get back for providing fetal tissue.

You can't claim they're making money from abortion and be concerned about Federal funds being used to subsidize it. Pick one.

 

[redleghunter]

You can't claim they're making money from abortion and be concerned about Federal funds being used to subsidize it. Pick one.

More money in the pot allows you to prioritize private funding.

 

[redleghunter]

The only way to win is not to play.

I can see this move will most likely drum up an increase of private funding. Hollywood and liberal politicians have been steady donators to PP. I can see much more funding coming that way.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It seems to me the whole abortion debate in America is between the pro-life crowd and pro-abortion crowd isn't about freedom or any libertarian principles but the commitment to or against the practice. Pro-abortion people for instance want to force doctors to refer abortion or else not have medical licenses. The Pro-life crowd wants to steadily increase regulation of abortion until it is no longer practical.

This isn't about proper regulation. This is a war between ideologies, between secularism atheist abortion and a religious (though fundamentally Christian) opposition to abortion.

Either way this is one step in favour of the pro-life movement. Does this mean PP doesn't receive any government funding now?

 

[redleghunter]

This isn't about proper regulation. This is a war between ideologies, between secularism atheist abortion and a religious (though fundamentally Christian) opposition to abortion.

I would just add for Christians this is a sanctity of life issue.

Either way this is one step in favour of the pro-life movement. Does this mean PP doesn't receive any government funding now?

PP has withdrawn from Title X federal funding. So yes they get no tax payer money. To still get it they would have to divide their operation. They don’t want to do that.

 

[redleghunter]

---SE---

We are also to not shed innocent blood:

Deu 19:10

That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.

Deu 19:13

Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.

Deu 21:8

Be merciful, O LORD, unto thy people Israel, whom thou hast redeemed, and lay not innocent blood unto thy people of Israel's charge. And the blood shall be forgiven them.

Deu 21:9

So shalt thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.

1Sa 19:5

For he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause?

1Ki 2:31

And the king said unto him, Do as he hath said, and fall upon him, and bury him; that thou mayest take away the innocent blood, which Joab shed, from me, and from the house of my father.

2Ki 21:16

Moreover Manasseh shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another; beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin, in doing that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

2Ki 24:4

And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which the LORD would not pardon.

Psa 94:21

They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.

Psa 106:38

And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

Pro 6:17

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isa 59:7

Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

Jer 7:6

If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

Jer 22:3

Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

Jer 22:17

But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it.

Jer 26:15

But know ye for certain, that if ye put me to death, ye shall surely bring innocent blood upon yourselves, and upon this city, and upon the inhabitants thereof: for of a truth the LORD hath sent me unto you to speak all these words in your ears.

Joe 3:19

Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

Jon 1:14

Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.

Mat 27:4

Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

 

[JacksBratt]

Planned Parenthood abandons Title X federal funds after Trump rule prohibits abortion referrals

Planned Parenthood announced Monday that it is pulling out of the Title X federal family planning program rather than abide by a new Trump administration rule prohibiting participants from referring patients for abortions.

Pro-life groups heralded the abrupt decision as a major victory -- and one that signaled that Planned Parenthood, contrary to its claims, is primarily a politically motivated abortion provider, not a healthcare organization.

The rule does not prohibit medical providers from discussing abortion with patients, but prevents them from telling patients where they can obtain one. The rule's requirements also include financial separation from facilities that provide abortion, designating abortion counseling as optional instead of standard practice, and limiting which staff members can discuss abortion with patients. Clinics would have until next March to separate their office space and examination rooms from the physical facilities of providers that offer abortions.

Planned Parenthood's pullout followed a June order from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that lifted a nationwide injunction that had prevented the Trump administration from enforcing the new rule. The court's three-judge panel, with two judges appointed by President Trump, is still weighing Planned Parenthood's lawsuit to overturn the rule but has allowed the administration to begin enforcement -- a sign that the administration will ultimately win on the merits.

More at link: Planned Parenthood abandons Title X federal funds after Trump rule prohibits abortion referrals

Planned Parenthood? Seriously... that's what they go by... How about "Planned not to be Parent" or "Planned to end Parenthood"

Even "Pro Choice" is vague.. I had to look it up to see what they stood for....

Why not call it what it is... "Pro Abortion"

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

PP will continue to do so. Just not with federal funding.

Not with as much federal funding. Title X accounts for about 15% of their federal funds.

 

[Johan_1988]

No, I am disagreeing with two things:
* the attempt to prevent women from controlling what is going on with their own bodies
* the attempt to control doctors by limiting their ability to make referrals
We are talking here about a perfectly legal medical procedure.

Firstly the child's body is not hers, because we are talking about an unborn child here .It belongs to the child. Secondly Is it ok for a doctor to tell people where they can kill their child?

 

[Not David]

I would just add for Christians this is a sanctity of life issue.



PP has withdrawn from Title X federal funding. So yes they get no tax payer money. To still get it they would have to divide their operation. They don’t want to do that.

Careful, they might say you are not really pro-life if you don't adopt a thousand children, allow people to live in your house, and support reparations.

 

[brinny]

Careful, they might say you are not really pro-life if you don't adopt a thousand children, allow people to live in your house, and support reparations.

Neither did Jesus.

The bottom line, is that the living God abhors SEVEN abominations, in particular. One of those abominations is the "shedding of innocent blood".

 

[JackRT]

Neither did Jesus.

The bottom line, is that the living God abhors SEVEN abominations, in particular. One of those abominations is the "shedding of innocent blood".

However, if you accept the doctrine of original sin there is no "innocent blood" even for a child however you define that word.

 

[brinny]

However, if you accept the doctrine of original sin there is no "innocent blood" even for a child however you define that word.

Nice try Jack. Murdering someone without cause is "shedding innocent blood", just as Abel's blood cried out from the ground to God after Cain murdered him in cold blood. it also includes the "innocent blood" of the martyrs crying out to God. In addition, it includes the "innocent blood" of the "least of these".

It's written throughout God's Word, and in particular here:

"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." ~Pr 6:16-19

 

[Not David]

I suppose not believing in the doctrine of Original sin and still supporting the choice to kill the innocents is worse.

 

[JacksBratt]

However, if you accept the doctrine of original sin there is no "innocent blood" even for a child however you define that word.

Only if you are God... then nobody is "innocent".

We, as humans, say someone was innocent ,based on man's laws.

Any infant born or unborn... is not deserving of death for any way of twisting innocence or guilt. They are innocent. Abortion is murder.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

We, as humans, say someone was innocent ,based on man's laws.

The term we're looking for is "judicially innocent".