Patrisitic Christianity

[Knowledge3]

As in relation to the One True Church (tm), the one you consider your church to be.

Are we members of the body of Christ? How, if we are seperated from the One True Church(tm) Is Christ's body divided?

and if we are not part of the body, what are we then? you answer is over simplistic, and doesn't address the implications to what you claim your church to be.

The "separation" you speak of is to be addressed and dealt with by the inter-denominational protestants.

Persons in unity with the body of Christ are the catholic church,eastern orthodox church,coptic orthodox church, and oriental orthodox church.

And scriptural,patristic exegesis of the Scripture is support for the necessity and function(s) of Orthodox Tradition.

 

[Uphill Battle]

The "separation" you speak of is to be addressed and dealt with by the inter-denominational protestants.

Persons in unity with the body of Christ are the catholic church,eastern orthodox church,coptic orthodox church, and oriental orthodox church.

And scriptural,patristic exegesis of the Scripture is support for the necessity and function(s) of Orthodox Tradition.

how are they all part in unity, if they are in schism? And if they are, why are protestants not? You have the division of the RCC and EO, yet somehow are in unity, yet protestants are not?

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. if there is one true church(tm) as in an orginization, they cannot ALL be it.

 

[Uphill Battle]

The Blessed Mother and her Orthodox Church.

She is also called Theotokos.

You can klick on my blog and read the patristic additions I made to it.

Peace, K3

ah, so now it's Mary's church...

 

[Knowledge3]

how are they all part in unity, if they are in schism? And if they are, why are protestants not? You have the division of the RCC and EO, yet somehow are in unity, yet protestants are not?

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. if there is one true church(tm) as in an orginization, they cannot ALL be it.

The two apostolic churches split two with the 1054 schism.

Yet each church maintains true apostolic succession independent of each other despite the fact of the ancient schism.

In a sense, both Churches are the true Churches of Christ.

Martin Luther himself separated from the Catholic Church.

John Calvin forms his own doctrine of Calvinism, which today is likely very different than what John Calvin himself originally taught.

His was also of a formal separation from the Catholic Church.

So therefore, by that logic - Inter-demoninational Protestants are the ones that are supposed to be addressing the inherent problems of the Protestant Reformation, and not us Catholics or Orthodox.

 

[Uphill Battle]

The two apostolic churches split two with the 1054 schism.

Yet each church maintains true apostolic succession independent of each other despite the fact of the ancient schism.

In a sense, both Churches are the true Churches of Christ.

Martin Luther himself separated from the Catholic Church.

John Calvin forms his own doctrine of Calvinism, which today is likely very different than what John Calvin himself originally taught.

His was also of a formal separation from the Catholic Church.

So therefore, by that logic - Inter-demoninational Protestants are the ones that are supposed to be addressing the inherent problems of the Protestant Reformation, and not us Catholics or Orthodox.

if there is true apostolic succession, then both the EO and RC cannot have it.

In a sense, both Churches are the true Churches of Christ.

now there are two, one true churches(tm)? weird.

 

[simonthezealot]

simonthezealot,
One does not need to put any weight on a CF.

Wait, did I read this right? are you not from the church of the 7 councils? Whom presided over these councils?

 

[simonthezealot]

Martin Luther himself separated from the Catholic Church.

.

C'mon by now you know this is not true!
The Catholic church excommunicated ML.
sheesh, weren't you originally a protestant?

 

[Knowledge3]

if there is true apostolic succession, then both the EO and RC cannot have it.

The RCC has Apostolic Succession of Catholic popes from St. Peter.

The EO has Apostolic Succession from St. Andrew.

The Apostles split up and went their own ways. (some were martyred)

St. Mark traveled to Eygpt and set-up Apostolic Succession with the Copts and the OO.

now there are two, one true churches(tm)? weird.

Yes, the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Western Catholic Church.

 

[Uphill Battle]

The RCC has Apostolic Succession of Catholic popes from St. Peter.

The EO has Apostolic Succession from St. Andrew.

The Apostles split up and went their own ways. (some were martyred)

St. Mark traveled to Eygpt and set-up Apostolic Succession with the Copts and the OO.



Yes, the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Western Catholic Church.

you're not making any sense. how can there be two, ONE TRUE CHURCH(tm)

 

[Knowledge3]

ah, so now it's Mary's church...

It is not only Mary's Church but also God the Father's, the Orthodox Church is a visible representation of Himself as we, His people, gather together in ekklessia to celebrate the Holy Eucharist.

 

[Knowledge3]

Not to be offensive or sidetrack this thread, but man that iconostasis theology seems to tread on some mighty shifty ice when compared to the history books of the OT.

We have an authentic icon of the OT Trinity in the visitation of Abraham and the Angels.

There are 3 types of the Trinity in this classic Orthodox icon.

It is not an actual representation of the Trinity itself, because the Father is unseen.

It is a type of Orthodox icongraphy depicting the OT Trinity.

 

[simonthezealot]

I always heard if a church claimed to be the "one true church" it was an earmark of a Christian cult!

 

[Knowledge3]

C'mon by now you know this is not true!
The Catholic church excommunicated ML.
sheesh, weren't you originally a protestant?

Martin Luther inevitably excommunicated himself, he knew his descisions and actions against the Catholic Church would eventually bring him an excommunication.

And thus, Protestantism is born.

And no, I am not a Protestant anymore.

I de-converted from Protestantism first then discovered catholicism and Christian orthodoxy as the truth.

 

[simonthezealot]

We have an authentic icon of the OT Trinity in the visitation of Abraham and the Angels.

There are 3 types of the Trinity in this classic Orthodox icon.

It is not an actual representation of the Trinity itself, because the Father is unseen.

It is a type of Orthodox icongraphy depicting the OT Trinity.

These Icons are actually not images! they are a path for man whom was created in Gods image to "transport coser to that image" am I right?

 

[simonthezealot]

Martin Luther inevitably excommunicated himself, he knew his descisions and actions against the Catholic Church would eventually bring him an excommunication.

Bull! it was not his decisions, he was willing to give his life for the cause, and yet it was their lack of being able to answer his questions that made them decide to kick him out!
If you spent any time reading about this you would know that!

 

[Knowledge3]

Bull! it was not his decisions, he was willing to give his life for the cause, and yet it was their lack of being able to answer his questions that made them decide to kick him out!
If you spent any time reading about this you would know that!

This is going off topic and into me vs you debate.

I don't want that.

The OP topic is patristics and Christianity.

 

[Knowledge3]

These Icons are actually not images! they are a path for man whom was created in Gods image to "transport coser to that image" am I right?

Yes, in a sense.

Authentic Orthodox Icons are "windows to heaven" allowing for reflection and thought.

 

[simonthezealot]

This is going off topic and into me vs you debate.

I don't want that.

The OP topic is patristics and Christianity.

Agreed, forgive me!

 

[ScottBot]

I always heard if a church claimed to be the "one true church" it was an earmark of a Christian cult!

Not if it claimed to the the on true church since the time of the apostles. And, BTW, the jews DID consider Christianity a cult.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Yes, in a sense.

Authentic Orthodox Icons are "windows to heaven" allowing for reflection and thought.

do you believe reflection and thought are possible without icons?

I have no problem with them, but I don't use them.