One will be taken and one left. Taken to where?

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Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matthew 24:

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
Vultures will gather at an exposed dead body.

37 "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away,
they drowned and died

so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Barnes explained:

One shall be taken - The word "taken" may mean either to be taken away from the danger - that is, rescued, as Lot was Luke 17:28-29, or to be taken away "by death." Probably the latter is the meaning.
Gills agreed:

one shall be taken by the Romans, and either put to death, or carried captive; and the other shall escape their hands, through the singular providence of God.
They were taken by death.

Parallel account in Luke 17:

34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they said to him, “Where, Lord?”
The disciples wanted to know more.

He said to them, “Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.”
The bad people will be taken by death.

Parallel account in Mark 13:

21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Be on your guard so that you will not be taken by the vultures.
 
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Mt 24:


they drowned and died


Barnes explained:


Gills agreed:


They were taken by death.

Luke 17:


The disciples wanted to know more.


The bad people will be taken by death.
THOSE LEFT

2 Thess 1:5-8
the lost are killed and not "taken anywhere" -- as Jer 25:33 points out they are left on the earth as corpses with no one to bury or even to mourn them.

2 Thess 1:5-8
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


Jer 25:33
33 “Those slain by the Lord on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.

what? not even "lamented"? That can only happen if no humans at all are left who knew or loved them!!

Jer 4:23-28

23 I looked at the earth, and behold, it was a formless and desolate emptiness;

And to the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,

And all the hills jolted back and forth.

25 I looked, and behold, there was no human,

And all the birds of the sky had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,

And all its cities were pulled down

Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

27 For this is what the Lord says:
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 For this the earth will mourn,


So fine - not "taken" but rather LEFT just as Matt 24 says.

Rev 19 shows that all the lost are slain - at Christ's appearing
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.


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THE TAKEN

1 Thess 4:13-18 - THE TAKEN
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

Ok so "Taken" up in the air to meet the Lord.
Why? "So that WHERE I am THERE you may be also" John 14:2-3

2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.


In Matt 24 the saints are gathered "from one end of the SKY to the others" in 1 Thess 4 the saints are caught up into the sky, in John 14 the saints are taken to heaven.

Matt 24:19-31 the TAKEN in Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
 
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Mt 24:


they drowned and died


Barnes explained:


Gills agreed:


They were taken by death.

Luke 17:


The disciples wanted to know more.


The bad people will be taken by death.
Good question
 
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THOSE LEFT

2 Thess 1:5-8
the lost are killed and not "taken anywhere" -- as Jer 25:33 points out they are left on the earth as corpses with no one to bury or even to mourn them.

2 Thess 1:5-8
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


Jer 25:33
33 “Those slain by the Lord on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.

what? not even "lamented"? That can only happen if no humans at all are left who knew or loved them!!

Jer 4:23-28

23 I looked at the earth, and behold, it was a formless and desolate emptiness;

And to the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,

And all the hills jolted back and forth.

25 I looked, and behold, there was no human,

And all the birds of the sky had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,

And all its cities were pulled down

Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

27 For this is what the Lord says:
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 For this the earth will mourn,


So fine - not "taken" but rather LEFT just as Matt 24 says.

Rev 19 shows that all the lost are slain - at Christ's appearing
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.


=============================================
THE TAKEN

1 Thess 4:13-18 - THE TAKEN
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

Ok so "Taken" up in the air to meet the Lord.
Why? "So that WHERE I am THERE you may be also" John 14:2-3

2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.


In Matt 24 the saints are gathered "from one end of the SKY to the others" in 1 Thess 4 the saints are caught up into the sky, in John 14 the saints are taken to heaven.

Matt 24:19-31 the TAKEN in Matt 24
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

You have totally misunderstood the passage. Are the saints of God taken to where eagles are gathered to pick over dead bodies? I think not.

Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

BTW there is no pre-trib rapture of the saints.
 
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Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

You have totally misunderstood the passage. Are the saints of God taken to where eagles are gathered to pick over dead bodies? I think not.
I think he was looking at it the other way. The ones taken were not the believers. The believers were left alive. The ones taken were killed in the events that occurred, and their bodies were left for the carrion. I agree with that also.
 
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