So, what you are saying is that there is no such thing as the Rapture?
That is not what I am saying.
This op is about Enoch, not the rapture. I tell you this because I am not a poster who willingly digresses far afield on an op. I like to stick to the subject specified in an op. One reason is because trolls and those either unskilled or lazy in reasoning don't post topically. I try not to do that and I try not to collaborate with those who do so. Threads get hijacked by that practice. Some posters do that unwittingly; others deliberately. It's a practice that is very common among modern futurists (or, more specifically, Dispensational Premillennialists). I am also not a very big fan of posters putting words into my posts I did not write. The only one talking about any rapture is you. That's not an attack, or a judgment; that's the plain, simple, objectively verified fact and a simple word search of the thread will prove it. How and why Post #2 would be read to say there is no such thing as the rapture is beyond me. I never said any such thing.
So..... If you have something op-relevant to post about Enoch, then I'll entertainment (and that would be my preference.)
However, as an expression of goodwill, and because I've had discussions with
@tonychanyt before and I know a little about his views, I will briefly address your question with an expectation you'll either return to the op or prove unwilling to do so. Consider it a test, if you like.
Throughout Christian history, Christian thought, doctrine, and practice has been to hold the rapture and the second coming of Christ as parts of a single event. In the 19th century a new theology was invented in which the rapture and the second coming were separated; considered to completely different events, once separated by years. This new eschatological pov is called Dispensational Premillennialism (DP), but more generically is "modern futurism," because not all who hold the same position self-identify as Dispensationalists. The point being is that all Christians believe in a rapture, but they do not all all agree the rapture coincides with the Second Coming. Here's a chart documenting the perspectives held by the four main eschatological views:
As everyone can see, when it comes to the rapture, DPism holds to a completely different view of the rapture than everyone else. It is the Dispensationalist, or modern futurist, that is the statistical and normative outlier, but because Dispensationalism is very popular in Christian media (they sell a lot of books and dominate the radio airwaves) many think DPism is the norm, when it is not. Everyone believes there will be a rapture, but not everyone believes it happens the way Dispensationalism teaches. I do not know your view. My belief is that the two, the rapture and the second coming, are not separate events, two events separated in time by many years; the two are aspects of the same event.
But that has nothing to do with Enoch, so do not expect me to collaborate with any digression far afield of the op, or any hijacking of tony's op. Go back and re-read Posts 1 and 2 with that in mind. I'm happy to consider any op-relevant content you post.
