BobRyan said:
wouldn't it be great to have an actual Bible text for something like that? (Immaculate Conception of Mary by her mother))
Think of how much easier it would be to provide evidence for such a suggestion - if the Bible actually said it.
I think you would agree - that getting support for that from the actual Bible would be very useful.
So is God not allowed to interfere at all with man?
The Bible says He did it all the time - but that would be the "Bible saying it" not us making it up. Agreed?
That's not what the tale of the parting of the red sea demonstrates for us. If God had not stepped in I think that all of them would have been the subjects of genocide.
True - but we did not just make up the story of the Exodus - it comes from scripture itself.
You and I would both agree that "the Exodus is not a teaching found in scripture" - is a very difficult argument for anyone to make in real life.
So how big was the thing where...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us? A Saviour will be born! That's an even bigger thing if you ask me.
It is - but that is God doing something and telling us about it.
Scripture does not say "Mary's mother gave birth to Mary - a sinless being, via the immaculate conception of Mary by her mother" or any such thing. I think you might agree.
The adamic nature is the sin nature, right? ok then,
Yes and "all have sinned" Rom 3:23
More than that "there is NONE righteous NO NOT ONE" Rom 3:9
9 What then? Are we better
than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written:
“There is no righteous person, not even one;
11 There is no one who understands,
There is no one who seeks out God;
12 They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt;
There is no one who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The venom of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And they have not known the way of peace.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and
all the world may become accountable to God;
No wonder Mary refers to Him as "God my Savior"
2nd Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.../KJV
When we are born of woman on earth we receive the adamic nature (sin nature) at that time.
agreed.
That would make Mary a bad tree. A bad tree can not bring forth good fruit.
agreed.
But the Gospel is real "If anyone is in Christ he/she is a NEW CREATION" 2 Cor 5
That is our only hope.
I think if you believe all of the bible then God would have had to do something to purify Mary
No doubt we all become new creations as the result of the Gospel - but that is not what the Catholic church is talking about when it speaks of the "immaculate conception of Mary by her mother" or their views of "Mary - sinless like Christ" etc.
for...He has not known sin! Jesus did not receive the adamic nature from Mary.
Agreed.
But that fact does not ALSO mean that Mary TOO must not have received a sinful nature from HER Mother.