Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath...

[maco]

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath
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Mark 2:28 "Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath therefore His teachings, regrading how the seventh day is to be observed, overrides the Old Covenant strictness of the letter.

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him, the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

The words of Jesus didn't do away with honoring the seventh day they just released us from the strict letter of the Law. It's the letter of the Law that causes the seventh day to became more important than human needs.

Listen to how Jesus removes the ritualistic keeping of the Sabbath.

Luke 13:14-16 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.” The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”

Matthew 12:10-12 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?” that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Mark 3:4 Then Jesus said to them, "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they kept silent.

Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, "I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?"

The teachings of Jesus ushers us into the spirit of the Law which gives us freedom to seek the higher good without doing away with that which is good.

2 Corinthians 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Under the letter of the Law it was wrong to commit adultery but they could commit adultery in their heart. We find the sin of pornography here. Under the spirit of the Law you can be guilty of committing adultery in your heart without the physical act of adultery. Listen.

Matthew 5:27-28 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Under the letter of the Law it's wrong to commit adultery but the higher good is that we shouldn't even lust after a woman in our heart. Under the letter of the Law it's wrong to heal someone on the Sabbath but under the spirit of the Law it's wrong not to heal someone on the Sabbath.

Luke 13:14-16 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.” The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”

The spirit of the Law, found in the teachings of Jesus, neither does away with physical adultery nor the literal seventh day blessing.

 

[pshun2404]

Please show us where the 7th day Sabbath is part of the New Covenant for the gentiles? WHere is it commanded by God to attend synagogue or church in the Old or New Covenant? It was their custom to do so but a custom is not binding. It was also their manner or custom to keep the Feast of Dedication (and Jesus and the Apostles all did this) and to wear a Tallith for prayer (just not required of the New Covenant...anywhere)

 

[SAAN]

Being Lord of the Sabbath using the verses in Mark 2, simply means basic human needs such as eating are more important than the Sabbath. Getting food to eat is not work, but the Pharisees are making it work. Same concept with getting a animal out of a ditch. Basic needs should not over the Sabbath and that is why the Sabbath was made for man and not man made fr the Sabbath.

When man is made for the Sabbath, picking food to eat, pick up your mat, or asking for healing is wrong.

 

[from scratch]

Being Lord of the Sabbath using the verses in Mark 2, simply means basic human needs such as eating are more important than the Sabbath. Getting food to eat is not work, but the Pharisees are making it work. Same concept with getting a animal out of a ditch. Basic needs should not over the Sabbath and that is why the Sabbath was made for man and not man made fr the Sabbath.

When man is made for the Sabbath, picking food to eat, pick up your mat, or asking for healing is wrong.

An interesting note on your comments.

An SDA neighbor had to go to town on the day of preparation. Nothing wrong with that according to the law. On the way home - the official Sabbath he had an accident that put his vehicle in the ditch. The interesting thing to me is his mode of transportation is a vehicle on the Sabbath except when its in the ditch. Then it is his ox. The reality of the situation is he avoids violating the law both ways. The reality is clear fraud when saying he keeps the Sabbath. The vehicle doesn't morph into an animal when it gets in the ditch. He couldn't stand it that I didn't want him to pay me for helping him out on the Sabbath besides he paid someone else to pull his vehicle (ox ,ehehe) out of the ditch also against the 4th commandment. If its an ox in the ditch its and ox when used to transport one to church.

 

[maco]

Please show us where the 7th day Sabbath is part of the New Covenant for the gentiles? WHere is it commanded by God to attend synagogue or church in the Old or New Covenant? It was their custom to do so but a custom is not binding. It was also their manner or custom to keep the Feast of Dedication (and Jesus and the Apostles all did this) and to wear a Tallith for prayer (just not required of the New Covenant...anywhere)

The Sabbath was made for mankind and the last I knew was that the Gentiles are a part of mankind. Jesus didn't come to do away with the Law, He came to live it out by example. We can't do away with the Sabbath just because Jesus didn't say, "Thou shall remember the Sabbath" because it was already said. In the same way we can't say homosexuality is okay for the Gentiles just because Jesus never said it was wrong, it was already stated that it was wrong.

What we find in the teachings of Jesus are principles of Sabbath keeping in light of being led by the spirit of the Law, rather than, by the letter. The letter of the Law was to cause people to acknowledge the seventh day as special. In the letter of the Law there is no real need for a relationship with God because it's all based on fear and not love. A relationship with God through the letter brings bondage, fear, ritualism and legalism. Obeying the commandments becomes meritorious in nature when we live under the letter. This way of relating to God causes the Sabbath to become more important than people, which was not God's intention.

Being led by the Spirit will cause you to seek the higher good on the Sabbath without forgetting the seventh day is a special day. It's lawful to do good on the Sabbath, whatever that good looks like to you as a Spirit filled child of God. We are not to judge in the matter of Sabbath keeping, Col. 2:16.

 

[from scratch]

The Sabbath was made for mankind and the last I knew was that the Gentiles are a part of mankind. Jesus didn't come to do away with the Law, He came to live it out by example. We can't do away with the Sabbath just because Jesus didn't say, "Thou shall remember the Sabbath" because it was already said. In the same way we can't say homosexuality is okay for the Gentiles just because Jesus never said it was wrong, it was already stated that it was wrong.

I need some reference for such a claim. Jesus didn't come to be an example or to prove the law can be kept. Jesus came to redeem us. But Jesus said - thou shalt not.... to the rich young ruler which was already said and even written in stone by the finger of God. So what's up with your statement? Why did Jessu need to tell him that?

What we find in the teachings of Jesus are principles of Sabbath keeping in light of being led by the spirit of the Law, rather than, by the letter. The letter of the Law was to cause people to acknowledge the seventh day as special. In the letter of the Law there is no real need for a relationship with God because it's all based on fear and not love. A relationship with God through the letter brings bondage, fear, ritualism and legalism. Obeying the commandments becomes meritorious in nature when we live under the letter. This way of relating to God causes the Sabbath to become more important than people, which was not God's intention.

Jesus didn't teach principles of Sabbath keeping.

There is no such thing as the spirit of the law found in the Bible.

If it isn't based on fear what is it based on when we're threatened with hell fire for not keeping the Sabbath? Isn't it to scare us with fear? We must be really dumb to not understand that.

Aren't you really stressing the letter of the law? Wouldn't taking a day off for rest be in the spirit of the law when it comes to the 4th?

Being led by the Spirit will cause you to seek the higher good on the Sabbath without forgetting the seventh day is a special day. It's lawful to do good on the Sabbath, whatever that good looks like to you as a Spirit filled child of God. We are not to judge in the matter of Sabbath keeping, Col. 2:16.

The Spirit won't lead us back to what we're delivered from by God. Remember we're redeemed.

 

[maco]

I need some reference for such a claim. Jesus didn't come to be an example or to prove the law can be kept. Jesus came to redeem us. But Jesus said - thou shalt not.... to the rich young ruler which was already said and even written in stone by the finger of God. So what's up with your statement? Why did Jessu need to tell him that?Jesus didn't teach principles of Sabbath keeping.

There is no such thing as the spirit of the law found in the Bible.

If it isn't based on fear what is it based on when we're threatened with hell fire for not keeping the Sabbath? Isn't it to scare us with fear? We must be really dumb to not understand that.

Aren't you really stressing the letter of the law? Wouldn't taking a day off for rest be in the spirit of the law when it comes to the 4th?The Spirit won't lead us back to what we're delivered from by God. Remember we're redeemed.

We all know how you have no desire for God's Law and how you continue to deny all truth but keep in mind that it's the carnal mind that hates God's law not the one who is being led by the Spirit.

 

[SAAN]

We all know how you have no desire for God's Law and how you continue to deny all truth but keep in mind that it's the carnal mind that hates God's law not the one who is being led by the Spirit.

How the hell can you equate people to having a carnal mind and hating Gods law in having a difference in opinion on 1 of 613 commands in the OT???

 

[from scratch]

We all know how you have no desire for God's Law and how you continue to deny all truth but keep in mind that it's the carnal mind that hates God's law not the one who is being led by the Spirit.

I'm a New Covenant kind of Christian as if there could be any other.

I really don't understand how new and old mean the same thing.

I really don't understand how not according to means just like.

 

[maco]

How the hell can you equate people to having a carnal mind and hating Gods law in having a difference in opinion on 1 of 613 commands in the OT???

Ask him if he believes lying, killing, worshiping other gods, using God's name in vain and so on is okay to do under the new covenant?

 

[LarryP2]

Any argument that Christians must keep any part of the Mosaic Law is just dishonest about the structure and implementation of the Old Testament law, and indicates a severe ignorance about its applications. There are 613 Commandments, all of which are equally important, and all of them must be kept. Or none of them. There is NO distinction in the Mosaic Law between "ritualistic" and "moral" law. Sabbattarian Christians make that self-serving distinction purely out of convenience. They have picked a few of the 613 Commandments at random, based on the ones that happen to tickle their fancy. That is dishonest to the intent of the Law.

If you were to approach an rabbinical expert on the Mosaic Law, and announce self-righteously that you are "keeping the Ten Commandments," they would look on you as though you are mentally deranged. Under Mosaic Law, there is no such a thing as the "Ten Commandments."

Out of the mandatory 613 Mosaic laws, Sabbattarians pick and choose a tiny handful that happily coincide with their overall goals of preening self-righteousness over other Christians. They flatter themselves all too easily. If you understand the way the Mosaic law works, all they have merely done is make themselves looks foolish. The Apostles repeatedly denounced such behavior as "Judaizing." The Apostles were experts on the Mosaic Law. Sabbattarians are not.

For Christians, Colossians 2:16-17 means what it says.

For Christians, the AD 50 Council of Jerusalem emphatically means what it says: Gentile Christians shall not be bound by the Mosaic law.

Christians began worshiping on Sunday no later than 1 week after the Resurrection. Christ then Ascended on a Sunday. The Day of Pentecost, the Church's Birthday was on a Sunday. It would have been BIZARRE if the early Christians had continued to keep the Sabbath, given the impact those three events clearly would have had on them. Why were all the early Christians in one place on a Sunday when the Day of Pentecost took place? Because they had started doing so in honor of the Resurrection. By the Day of Pentecost, it was an entrenched Christian custom already.

The argument for keeping just one commandment out of the 613 of the Mosaic Law simply denigrates the obvious meaning of the crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension and the Day of Pentecost. It is a theory of "Partial Atonement." It is an argument that one must keep the Mosaic Law, because Christ's sacrifice is not enough.

If you want to keep the Sabbath and have some integrity, you need to go through the full-scale conversion process to Judaism that is required. It is extremely highly-unlikely any Sabbattarian Christian would do that. For an unconverted Gentile to keep the Sabbath is such a serious offense, it requires the imposition of the Death Penalty. Christians who keep the Sabbath are as bizarre as if they suddenly developed a yen to sacrifice some animals in their backyard temple.

 

[maco]

Any argument that Christians must keep any part of the Mosaic Law is just dishonest about the structure and implementation of the Old Testament law, and indicates a severe ignorance about its applications. There are 613 Commandments, all of which are equally important, and all of them must be kept. Or none of them. There is NO distinction in the Mosaic Law between "ritualistic" and "moral" law. Sabbattarian Christians make that self-serving distinction purely out of convenience. They have picked a few of the 613 Commandments at random, based on the ones that happen to tickle their fancy. That is dishonest to the intent of the Law.

If you were to approach an rabbinical expert on the Mosaic Law, and announce self-righteously that you are "keeping the Ten Commandments," they would look on you as though you are mentally deranged. Under Mosaic Law, there is no such a thing as the "Ten Commandments."

Out of the mandatory 613 Mosaic laws, Sabbattarians pick and choose a tiny handful that happily coincide with their overall goals of preening self-righteousness over other Christians. They flatter themselves all too easily. If you understand the way the Mosaic law works, all they have merely done is make themselves looks foolish. The Apostles repeatedly denounced such behavior as "Judaizing." The Apostles were experts on the Mosaic Law. Sabbattarians are not.

For Christians, Colossians 2:16-17 means what it says.

For Christians, the AD 50 Council of Jerusalem emphatically means what it says: Gentile Christians shall not be bound by the Mosaic law.

Christians began worshiping on Sunday no later than 1 week after the Resurrection. Christ then Ascended on a Sunday. The Day of Pentecost, the Church's Birthday was on a Sunday. It would have been BIZARRE if the early Christians had continued to keep the Sabbath, given the impact those three events clearly would have had on them. Why were all the early Christians in one place on a Sunday when the Day of Pentecost took place? Because they had started doing so in honor of the Resurrection. By the Day of Pentecost, it was an entrenched Christian custom already.

The argument for keeping just one commandment out of the 613 of the Mosaic Law simply denigrates the obvious meaning of the crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension and the Day of Pentecost. It is a theory of "Partial Atonement." It is an argument that one must keep the Mosaic Law, because Christ's sacrifice is not enough.

If you want to keep the Sabbath and have some integrity, you need to go through the full-scale conversion process to Judaism that is required. It is extremely highly-unlikely any Sabbattarian Christian would do that. For an unconverted Gentile to keep the Sabbath is such a serious offense, it requires the imposition of the Death Penalty. Christians who keep the Sabbath are as bizarre as if they suddenly developed a yen to sacrifice some animals in their backyard temple.

Man counts 613, God counts 10 and writes them with His own finger. The interesting thing is that the Ten Commandments are the only part of the Bible written with God's own finger.

 

[LarryP2]

First Century Christianity NEVER kept the Sabbath. NEVER. Not once do the Apostles tell the Christians they must keep the Sabbath, or any of the other 613 Commandments of Judaism. Sabbath Keeping has never been a part of genuine Christianity. Only quasi-Christian cults emphasize it.

Under Jewish law, circumcision is required before ANY of the Mosaic Laws can be kept. The Council of Jerusalem in AD 50 decided once and for all that the Gentile Christians would not be required to follow the Mosaic Law. Their duties were described in the Book of Acts and are parallel to the Noahide Law.

Seventh Day Adventism has a yearly stampede of 300,000 fleeing their cruel system of cult bondage. EVERY single significant doctrine of SDA has been soundly debunked by their own theologians! Not one of them has held up under scrutiny of their own Bible scholars! It is a cultish house of cards.

Sabbatarians THINK they are keeping the Sabbath and brag loudly about their superiority over other Christians because of it, but in truth they do not keep the Sabbath. What they "keep" is a convenient, Americanized, sanitized, dumbed down, processed cheese-version of the Sabbath that bears absolutely NO resemblance to the Sabbath as kept by Jesus or anyone in the Old Testament. They have no idea of how to keep the Sabbath. Their own words hang them.

Don't flatter yourself for imagining you have accomplished something you haven't. The only truly honest Sabbath Keepers are the ones who recently began keeping the monthly, yearly and New Moons Sabbaths, all the Jewish feast days and some of them have built the necessary backyard temples to commence animal sacrifices. The honest sabbath keepers have searched out and found the Rabbis necessary to follow the Levitical food laws. If you are going to follow Jesus's example of Sabbath keeping, then you also have to follow all the other Mosaic Laws outlined above. He did.

In the aftermath of SDA's Sabbath Scholar Dr. Samuelle Bachiochi's demolition of the Adventist culture that had developed around the Sabbath over 150 years, honest Adventists have followed his lead and are undertaking the necessary steps to follow ALL of the Jewish laws that are required. Keeping their sanitized Velveeta-version of the 7th Day Sabbath just does not cut it anymore.

Furthermore, they are beginning to see the necessity of rejecting St. Paul as a "False Prophet" and someone who they claim "illegitimately" introduced Greek and Roman thought into Christianity. Notice how advocates of the Sabbatarian cult NEVER cite St. Paul for support for their system of cult bondage. It is obvious they must discredit St. Paul if they are going to keep all of the Jewish Laws, which the honest among them now do teach.

But none of this has nothing to do with Christianity. Sabbatarians have revived the old Ebionite cult that withered away as the Gentile Christian Church quickly discarded its Jewish roots.

Christianity has NEVER required Sabbath keeping.

 

[BobRyan]

First Century Christianity NEVER kept the Sabbath. NEVER. Not once do the Apostles tell the Christians they must keep the Sabbath, or any of the other 613 Commandments .

There are NO "weekday1 after weekday 1" worship services in the entire NT -- not one!

Not ONCE do NT Authors ever command the NT saints to keep week-day-1 holy.

yet there are MANY Sabbath after Sabbath worship services attended by NT Christian saints. Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18 -- and the Apostolic church of Acts 15 actually "relied on this fact" to resolve their church dispute (see Acts 15).

What is more - even the following Sunday sources themselves argue for the continued binding authority of the Sabbath Commandment for all Christians to this very day. (So then just stating the obvious here).

 

[LarryP2]

The point I was trying to make is that NO modern Sabbatarians are actually keeping the Sabbath. They THINK they are. They CLAIM they are.

But they are not. They are not even CLOSE to keeping it. And at the same time, their cultish Ebionite Heresy drives them to imagine themselves superior to other Christians who worship the Resurrected Christ instead of the dead Jewish Sabbath.

Modern Sabbatarians are similar to an adolescent that fantasizes they are a brilliant General because they have watched a war movie. The "Sabbath" that Sabbatarians THINK they are keeping is a hilarious, Americanized Processed Cheese Product version of the Sabbath. It bears NO resemblance to the Real Thing.

Christians who worship on Sunday have abandoned the delusion that ANYBODY who is not a Jew is keeping the Sabbath.