How LOST are the SHEEP?

[Guojing]

You disagree with the Bible because you aren’t reading it as it is written. In one verse you say it says gentile but it doesn’t it says saints (different ) and then you said in this one it says saints and it doesn’t say any of that it actually a say brethren. So I just think you can’t read

Once you discuss scripture in forums long enough, you will realize that everyone believes they are the ones who are reading scripture as it is written.

As the saying goes, we are always the protagonist in our own minds. Thus, by definition, anyone who disagrees with us becomes the antagonist. =)

 

[Daniel Malik]

Once you discuss scripture in forums long enough, you will realize that everyone believes they are the ones who are reading scripture as it is written.

As the saying goes, we are always the protagonist in our own minds. Thus, by definition, anyone who disagrees with us becomes the antagonist. =)

Did you say there were words there that weren’t tho ? Lol smh

 

[Daniel Malik]

I regard everyone in the Body of Christ, whether Jews or gentiles, as saints.

You don't?

Everyone is not in the body of Christ. Children of Israel.

 

[Daniel Malik]

After Christ return, yes, the entire nation will forever be God's favored nation.

Zechariah 8 has the details.

So israel was god favorite before they did any good or evil or were created .... then when they became a nation doing the wickedness of the other nations then god gave his promise to the other nations even tho they are still being wicked, but then when Christ returns after watching the wicked be wicked all together. God is then going to favor the children of Israel even tho they are still given into wickedness right

 

[Guojing]

Everyone is not in the body of Christ. Children of Israel.

Unbelievers are not, that is true.

There are no children of Israel now. If you are currently a Jew from Israel who is not in the Body of Christ, you are considered an uncircumcised gentile. (Acts 7:51)

 

[Guojing]

So israel was god favorite before they did any good or evil or were created .... then when they became a nation doing the wickedness of the other nations then god gave his promise to the other nations even tho they are still being wicked, but then when Christ returns after watching the wicked be wicked all together. God is then going to favor the children of Israel even tho they are still given into wickedness right

No, at the end of the Tribulation, the nation of Israel will acknowledge Jesus as their promised Messiah.

When Israel does that, the New Covenant will begin for them. (Romans 11:26-27, Hebrews 8:8)

They will no longer be wicked during the millennial reign of Christ.

 

[Daniel Malik]

Unbelievers are not, that is true.

There are no children of Israel now. If you are a Jew from Israel who is not in the Body of Christ, you are considered an uncircumcised gentile. (Acts 7:51)

an unbeliever is a sinner correct?

 

[Guojing]

an unbeliever is a sinner correct?

Yes of course.

 

[Daniel Malik]

Yes of course.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


This is kingdom connotation once christ has return the israelites to new jerusalem right, SO someone can break the law being a sinner and still enter into the kingdom of heaven ..how so if they are not ethnic israelites and God promised that all Israel shall be saved?

 

[Daniel Malik]

Do you think the "jews" in Israel today are Gentiles?

 

[Guojing]

Do you think the "jews" in Israel today are Gentiles?

Yes, those who aren't in the Body of Christ

 

[Guojing]

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


This is kingdom connotation once christ has return the israelites to new jerusalem right, SO someone can break the law being a sinner and still enter into the kingdom of heaven ..how so if they are not ethnic israelites and God promised that all Israel shall be saved?

Once the New Covenant begins for Israel, God will remember their sins no more (Hebrews 8:12)

The Law is written in their hearts, so all of them will automatically be able to keep the Law (Hebrews 8:10)

 

[Daniel Malik]

Yes, those who aren't in the Body of Christ

do you think they were once Israel tho ?

 

[Daniel Malik]

Once the New Covenant begins for Israel, God will remember their sins no more (Hebrews 8:12)

The Law is written in their hearts, so all of them will automatically be able to keep the Law (Hebrews 8:10)

if god will remember their sins no more. then why will the sins they commited before the kingdom follow them into the kingdom. being that if they break the commandment they would be lesser in the kingdom of God. That would mean their is some sort of hierarchy in the kingdom of God right ?

 

[Guojing]

do you think they were once Israel tho ?

I already said Israel the nation fallen during the time of the apostle Paul, that was about 2000 years ago.

So no Jew now were ever "Israel".

 

[Guojing]

if god will remember their sins no more. then why will the sins they commited before the kingdom follow them into the kingdom. being that if they break the commandment they would be lesser in the kingdom of God. That would mean their is some sort of hierarchy in the kingdom of God right ?

I don't understand what you are asking here.

When Jesus stated that in Matthew, the New Covenant was not established yet with Israel.

 

[Daniel Malik]

I already said Israel the nation fallen during the time of the apostle Paul, that was about 2000 years ago.

So no Jew now were ever "Israel".

So where are the real Jews of Israel?.... What happened to the Israelites that were scattered throughout the four corners of the earth?

 

[Daniel Malik]

I don't understand what you are asking here.

When Jesus stated that in Matthew, the New Covenant was not established yet with Israel.

this is talking about in the kingdom of heaven ...the new covenant as we agreed would be established once Israel returned to new jerusalem and they would be god's favor again. SO, that means that if your broke a lesser commandment and teach men so then you would be considered least in the kingdom. Understand? So if you are least in the kingdom and their are other brethren who are greater in the kingdom then there is a hierarchy in the kingdom of god correct? and included in that question you stated God will not remember your sins once you are in the kingdom...so if he wont remember your sins then how will you still be judged in the kingdom of heaven to become lesser?

 

[Daniel Malik]

I don't understand what you are asking here.

When Jesus stated that in Matthew, the New Covenant was not established yet with Israel.

Also what makes you say there are no children of israel... they have to be someone because christ will gather them from the four corners and they are the numbered elect ...their isnt a gate that say gentile



Rev 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5
Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8
Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

1 corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


1Co 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

 

[Guojing]

this is talking about in the kingdom of heaven ...the new covenant as we agreed would be established once Israel returned to new jerusalem and they would be god's favor again. SO, that means that if your broke a lesser commandment and teach men so then you would be considered least in the kingdom. Understand? So if you are least in the kingdom and their are other brethren who are greater in the kingdom then there is a hierarchy in the kingdom of god correct? and included in that question you stated God will not remember your sins once you are in the kingdom...so if he wont remember your sins then how will you still be judged in the kingdom of heaven to become lesser?

Yes, there is a hierarchy in the kingdom, that is obvious, if that is the point you are making.

The 12 apostles will be sitting on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel during those 1000 years so yes, they are ranked rather high in that hierarchy.