False Testimony on Todd Bentley’s Website

[Simon Peter]

If your pastor preached a controversial sermon, that some claimed was heresy, you’d expect it to cause some heated discussion within the church. The reference point in these discussions would revolve around the transcript of the sermon.

But what if someone then went into the church website and doctored the transcript, removing his most controversial remarks? Well this is what just happened on Todd Bentley’s website.

Fresh Fire Ministries have removed all references to “Emma” and to this 'angel' being female. Astoundingly, they have also changed what the Lord supposedly said; they’ve actually changed quotations and left the words in quotation marks!!!

Example

Original version:

The Lord answered: "She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service the same angel that appeared in Kansas city as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church."

New doctored version:

The Lord answered: “This angel is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that the angel’s appearance is a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.”

 

[BenAdam]

subscribbing!

 

[Deba]

Perhaps the changes were made because of the AG article that someone posted on here.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Who or what bes "Emma", some dead relative of his? If so then we know where that comes from.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Who or what bes "Emma", some dead relative of his? If so then we know where that comes from.

A rough equivalent of a conglomeration of Apollo, Morpheus, Carmenta, Plutus, Abundantia, Fortuna, and Porrima. Basically a member of a pantheon.

 

[Simon Peter]

I forgot to post sources.

Two independent un-doctored sources:

http://www.upstreamca.org/angelichosts.html

http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html

Todd Bentley’s website with its recently doctored version:

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Act=read&status=teaching&Id=40&pid=954


Deba,

Can you provide a link to this article you are talking about? I must have missed it.

Thanks

 

[JimB]

Why do all these highly huckstered events have to be the last great move of God? IMO, they are usually nothing more than the focus of a well-oiled PR machine that sometimes gets caught in its own exaggerations. As long as there are willing (gullible) buyers, we will have these slick promotions and have to account for their occasional embellishments. When these sort of things happen it does make you wonder what else we are being told that is just not true and if we are just being scammed (again).

~Jim

It is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves too much, that is poor.​

 

[arielette]

Emma? He has a name for the entity that is showing up in his meetings? References to her are being taken out of documents online? Very, very interesting --

Subscribing

 

[Deba]

I forgot to post sources.

Two independent un-doctored sources:

http://www.upstreamca.org/angelichosts.html

http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html

Todd Bentley’s website with its recently doctored version:

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Act=read&status=teaching&Id=40&pid=954


Deba,

Can you provide a link to this article you are talking about? I must have missed it.

Thanks

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7251815

 

[Simon Peter]

Why do all these highly huckstered events have to be the last great move of God? IMO, they are usually nothing more than the focus of a well-oiled PR machine that sometimes gets caught in its own exaggerations. As long as there are willing (gullible) buyers, we will have these slick promotions and have to account for their occasional embellishments. When these sort of things happen it does make you wonder what else we are being told that is just not true and if we are just being scammed (again).

~Jim

It is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves too much, that is poor.​

You are absolutely right Jim. Why should I trust anything on Todd Bentley's website?

This reminds me of the Kansas City Prophets (now known as International House of Prayer or IHOP) who actually employed people to "edit" doctor transcripts and tapes so that America wouldn't find out what they really believe.

Todd Bentley is 'in bed' with IHOP, and I guess this practice is still acceptable....

 

[DianeL]

I've been asking myself a few questions since this female angel was mentioned.

If angels are genderless, why do some of the angels who are mentioned/appeared in God's Word 'look' like men? Given men's names,

I mean, why like men (look like us - sort of)

It has me wondering if angels can 'look' like women ? or anything?

Have you guys ever asked that too?

It's really has me thinking.

 

[BenAdam]

I've been asking myself a few questions since this female angel was mentioned.

If angels are genderless, why do some of the angels who are mentioned/appeared in God's Word 'look' like men? Given men's names,

I mean, why like men (look like us - sort of)

It has me wondering if angels can 'look' like women ? or anything?

Have you guys ever asked that too?

It's really has me thinking.

Where are Angels given men's names? The only 2 angels named in the Bible are Michael and Gabriel. They are names that refer to God (the El part) and are essentially genderless.

 

[youthwalk]

Ididn't want to get involved in this Todd Bently debate but I find it hard to understand how some DON'T get the wrong vibe from his teachings. Not that "vibe" means anything. WhatI mean by "vibe" is that churning in your spirit that says; "no, somethings off."

I'm not making any judgements about the man as I have never met him, but I can say what the Holy Spirit tells me, and I don't believe that all of the speculations about him are without merit.

 

[JimB]

You are absolutely right Jim. Why should I trust anything on Todd Bentley's website?

This reminds me of the Kansas City Prophets (now known as International House of Prayer or IHOP) who actually employed people to "edit" doctor transcripts and tapes so that America wouldn't find out what they really believe.

Todd Bentley is 'in bed' with IHOP, and I guess this practice is still acceptable....

Doctored prophecies?

No wonder their prophecies are so accurate.


Actually, my denomination was briefly associated with the Kansas City thing until abuses (possibly like this) caused them to withdraw support and affiliation in mid-90s (much to my relief). I am glad the Vineyard made that wise decision or I would never have been a part of them.

~Jim

It is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves too much, that is poor.​

 

[BenAdam]

Doctored prophecies?

No wonder their prophecies are so accurate.


Actually, my denomination was briefly associated with the Kansas City thing until abuses (possibly like this) caused them to withdraw support and affiliation in mid-90s (much to my relief). I am glad the Vineyard made that wise decision or I would never have been a part of them.

~Jim

It is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves too much, that is poor.​

Sadly a local vineyard here is getting in the proverbial bed with IHOP.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Watching . . .

 

[DianeL]

Where are Angels given men's names? The only 2 angels named in the Bible are Michael and Gabriel. They are names that refer to God (the El part) and are essentially genderless.

Hi BenAdam;

Those are the names I was referring to.

Maybe it's us giving men these names, as my friend who is named Michael (is a man).

I've still got to sort this out

Thank you for responding

 

[BenAdam]

Hi BenAdam;

Those are the names I was referring to.

Maybe it's us giving men these names, as my friend who is named Michael (is a man).

I've still got to sort this out

Thank you for responding

Well because they have been used as male names doesn't mean they are males. Even if the appearance of angels would be either male or female doesn't change the fact that they are implied to be neither. As Jesus stated that in the ressurection we will not be married but be as like the Angels in heaven.

 

[DianeL]

Well because they have been used as male names doesn't mean they are males. Even if the appearance of angels would be either male or female doesn't change the fact that they are implied to be neither. As Jesus stated that in the ressurection we will not be married but be as like the Angels in heaven.

I agree, then Emma is neither male or female (as we understand it) regardless of appearance?

Please note, I'm not arguing here, just working it out.

 

[probinson]

On the article on Todd Bentley's website, there is a diamond that looks like this after the statement; �

Does anyone know what that means?