Eschatology

[JM]

What is your position on the End Times, Daniel and Revelation, etc.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[d taylor]

Mine is.
The believers in Jesus, born again children of God, will be taken up to the clouds before the tribulation begans. To meet Jesus where they will stay, while the 7 year tribulation is played out. Then Jesus returns (with believers) and will defeat satan and all his cohorts. Then eventually set His Kingdom on earth for a 1000 years, with satan bound. Will rule the earth people in nearly perfect environment. After the 1000 rule satan will be released for one more final deception of the peoples of earth. He,satan and his revolt will be stopped (he is cast into the lake) and a final judgement for unbelievers, then all unbelievers take their place in the lake of fire

 

[sandman]

I am with d taylor ...ready, excited, and waiting ....but carrying on and planning with everyday tasks as though He is not coming in my lifetime.... but still anticipating... each day.

 

[Matt5]

Unfortunately, I have bad news. It's not looking good for those who live in the West.

What if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse is really about the rise and fall of America?

How would that work?

9/11 looks a lot like the 2nd horse. A nuclear war between China, Russia and America looks a lot like the 4th horse. Get more information here.

Concerning Daniel, it gets very interesting. You know about Nebuchadnezzar's statue and the feet of iron and clay. Well, the iron is demons and the clay is humans. Mind blown. There is a full planetary takeover by demons shortly before the arrival of Jesus. But first, we get the fake Jesus (false prophet, demon) who catches our hapless virgins sleeping.

 

[sandman]

Unfortunately, I have bad news. It's not looking good for those who live in the West.

What if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse is really about the rise and fall of America?

How would that work?

9/11 looks a lot like the 2nd horse. A nuclear war between China, Russia and America looks a lot like the 4th horse. Get more information here.

Concerning Daniel, it gets very interesting. You know about Nebuchadnezzar's statue and the feet of iron and clay. Well, the iron is demons and the clay is humans. Mind blown. There is a full planetary takeover by demons shortly before the arrival of Jesus. But first, we get the fake Jesus (false prophet, demon) who catches our hapless virgins sleeping.

That's ok.... I won't be here!

 

[FireDragon76]

What is your position on the End Times, Daniel and Revelation, etc.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

Lutherans aren't dispensationalists, and end-times speculation isn't really part of Lutheranism. IN fact, Revelation was one of Luther's least favorite books.

Most Lutherans have been amillenialist, historically.

 

[JM]

Interesting. One of the most influential Dispensational works in the 1800s is "The Theocratic Kingdom" by a Lutheran Pastor and if I recall he was blind.

I'm Postmillennial which has a lot of crossover with Amil.

A series on Revelation by CPH.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxogXfoRgsrgc0rKExLIsLIao3mtJPlbI

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

Here's a booklet on the LCMS position on the End Times: LCMS Document Library

And from the 1932 Brief Statement of Faith published by the LCMS

With the Augsburg Confession (Art. XVII) we reject every type of millennialism, or Chiliasm, the opinions that Christ will return visibly to this earth a thousand years before the end of the world and establish a dominion of the Church over the world; or that before the end of the world the Church is to enjoy a season of special prosperity; or that before a general resurrection on Judgment Day a number of departed Christians or martyrs are to be raised again to reign in glory in this world; or that before the end of the world a universal conversion of the Jewish nation (of Israel according to the flesh) will take place.

 

[A_JAY]

He will come again to judge the living and the dead, and in His own time and HIS own way.

 

[JM]

Here's a booklet on the LCMS position on the End Times: LCMS Document Library

And from the 1932 Brief Statement of Faith published by the LCMS

With the Augsburg Confession (Art. XVII) we reject every type of millennialism, or Chiliasm, the opinions that Christ will return visibly to this earth a thousand years before the end of the world and establish a dominion of the Church over the world; or that before the end of the world the Church is to enjoy a season of special prosperity; or that before a general resurrection on Judgment Day a number of departed Christians or martyrs are to be raised again to reign in glory in this world; or that before the end of the world a universal conversion of the Jewish nation (of Israel according to the flesh) will take place.

Modern postmil fits this description.

Thanks

 

[Daniel9v9]

Lutherans, along with our friends the Anglican, Roman Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are what is sometimes called Amillennial (which is an imperfect term because we do in fact believe in a millennial reign, only a symbolic and present reality as Christ rules right now). The Lutheran Confessions reject Chiliasm in the Augsburg Confession: Article XVII, Christ’s Return for Judgment: 5.

"[The Lutheran Church] condemn also others who are now spreading certain Jewish opinions, that before the resurrection of the dead the godly shall take possession of the kingdom of the world, the ungodly being everywhere suppressed."

The Augsburg Confession – Luco

luco.the-rejected-stone.com

I'd be happy to elaborate on this or explain why if anyone is interested.

God bless!

 

[JM]

Lutherans, along with our friends the Anglican, Roman Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are what is sometimes called Amillennial (which is an imperfect term because we do in fact believe in a millennial reign, only a symbolic and present reality as Christ rules right now). The Lutheran Confessions reject Chiliasm in the Augsburg Confession: Article XVII, Christ’s Return for Judgment: 5.

"[The Lutheran Church] condemn also others who are now spreading certain Jewish opinions, that before the resurrection of the dead the godly shall take possession of the kingdom of the world, the ungodly being everywhere suppressed."

The Augsburg Confession – Luco

luco.the-rejected-stone.com

I'd be happy to elaborate on this or explain why if anyone is interested.

God bless!

No thanks, I'm familiar with eschatological views. Modern Postmil is optimistic Amil with no literal millennial period of time. The chart below is something I've been working on but needs an update.

https://feileadhmor.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/the-return-of-christ-feileadhmor-jm.png

This quote strikes me as Postmil.

"That some form of Christianity is to be the religion of the world, is not only an assured fact to the believer in Revelation, but must be regarded as probable, even in the judgment which is formed on purely natural evidence. Next in transcendent importance to that fact, and beyond it in present interest, as a question relatively un- decided, is the question, What form of Christianity is to conquer the world? Shall it be the form in which Christianity now exists, the form of intermingling and of division, of internal separation and warfare? Is the territory of Christendom forever to be divided be- tween antagonistic communions, or occupied by them conjointly? Shall there be to the end of time the Greek, the Roman, the Protestant churches, the sects, and the heretical bodies ? Or shall one or other of these specific forms lift itself above the tangled mass, and impose order on chaos ? Or shall a form yet unrevealed prove the church of the future? To that the answer seems to be, that the logic of the question, supported by eighteen centuries of history, renders it able that some principle, or some combination of principles now existent, will assuredly, however slowly, determine the ultimate, world-dominating type of Christianity. Unless there be an exact balance of force in the different tendencies, the internally strongest of them will ultimately prevail over the others, and, unless a new force superior to it corner in, will be permanent." (Lutheran) Charles Krauth, The Conservative Reformation and its Theology

 

[JM]

It's all in the title.