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As a newbie here, and just starting to explore all you offer I want to post my ideas on Old eart or young earth creationism.
As a Christian I have zero doubt that God did create everything. However, I do not, for one minute believe that
all came about in 144 literal hours.
I participated in many a heated discussion in another forum until that forum has gone down, and no idea if it will ever come back.
Those YEC believers cite creation "week" as their "proof" based in part on the 4th commandment
NASB95 Exodus 20 :8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who [e]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
They reason that if Moses was given the 10 commandments by God, Himself, that God would not lie.
What in not covered anywhere within the four corners of the Holy Book is the explanation of what a day truly is or how long... or if they are 24 hours... it could be possible day one when light was created... could have been spaced far apart from day two... etc.
It had long been my contention .. and please dont think I am crazy with this thought... but I have long felt that the creation of Adam and Eve ( remember: if we had the ability to trace our genealogies back far enough we would all arrive at Adam and Eve being out start.) and we know that we are approximately 6,000 years from them to today...
that somehow that leg of creation was tied somehow to the fall of Satan.
No... I have no proof.... just a gut feeling.
But I digress.
Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 seem to have been written by 2 different people simply because the writing styles
are different.
In Gen 2 Adam was created, was shown the animals looking for a helper, (none was found) so God made Eve for him. In Gen 1 man and woman were made together in the image of God....
NASB95
Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [ak]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [al]sky and over every living thing that [am]moves on the earth.”
In Gen 1 they were to care for the earth. Adam and Eve were originally only to be in the Garden.
To me this indicates that when the Gen 1 people were created.... it was before Adam and Eve in Gen 2.
If so then there is no reason to believe that the original creation of things was not a lot older then the Garden of Eden creations.
Fact: there have been " cave people" and dinosaures. But not talked of in the bible....Why? Could it be because they
were extinct before modern man came into being?
But I will say this for the record.
When science says the earth and all are 13.8 billion years old I will not ever believe that.
At least not as far as blood flowing life is concerned.
The furthest back to recognizable life such as ... dinosaurs they datng to 201 to 145 million years ago.
And I say recognizable because we all are familiar with what the museums present to us....
However when Wiki says the following I siimply shake my head in disbelief at to how old they claim them to be.
organisms.
So sorry I am rambling... (I tend to do that) so will close for now with saying I do not believe that the earth and our solar system is only 6,000 years old.
But I am certain it is not 13.8 billion years old.
I also have not drawn a conclusion yet, and would love some input from someone if they feel that all the galaxies and universes out there could have been in existence... either at once or progressively (NO I am not suggesting big bang or expansion for I believe our great creator God drew up the plans and then they came into being)
But then , for reasons of His own, our own solar system came into being at a much younger age?
As a Christian I have zero doubt that God did create everything. However, I do not, for one minute believe that
all came about in 144 literal hours.
I participated in many a heated discussion in another forum until that forum has gone down, and no idea if it will ever come back.
Those YEC believers cite creation "week" as their "proof" based in part on the 4th commandment
NASB95 Exodus 20 :8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who [e]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
They reason that if Moses was given the 10 commandments by God, Himself, that God would not lie.
What in not covered anywhere within the four corners of the Holy Book is the explanation of what a day truly is or how long... or if they are 24 hours... it could be possible day one when light was created... could have been spaced far apart from day two... etc.
It had long been my contention .. and please dont think I am crazy with this thought... but I have long felt that the creation of Adam and Eve ( remember: if we had the ability to trace our genealogies back far enough we would all arrive at Adam and Eve being out start.) and we know that we are approximately 6,000 years from them to today...
that somehow that leg of creation was tied somehow to the fall of Satan.
No... I have no proof.... just a gut feeling.
But I digress.
Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 seem to have been written by 2 different people simply because the writing styles
are different.
In Gen 2 Adam was created, was shown the animals looking for a helper, (none was found) so God made Eve for him. In Gen 1 man and woman were made together in the image of God....
NASB95
Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [ak]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [al]sky and over every living thing that [am]moves on the earth.”
In Gen 1 they were to care for the earth. Adam and Eve were originally only to be in the Garden.
To me this indicates that when the Gen 1 people were created.... it was before Adam and Eve in Gen 2.
If so then there is no reason to believe that the original creation of things was not a lot older then the Garden of Eden creations.
Fact: there have been " cave people" and dinosaures. But not talked of in the bible....Why? Could it be because they
were extinct before modern man came into being?
But I will say this for the record.
When science says the earth and all are 13.8 billion years old I will not ever believe that.
At least not as far as blood flowing life is concerned.
The furthest back to recognizable life such as ... dinosaurs they datng to 201 to 145 million years ago.
And I say recognizable because we all are familiar with what the museums present to us....
However when Wiki says the following I siimply shake my head in disbelief at to how old they claim them to be.
Earliest known life forms - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
organisms.
Evidence of possibly the oldest forms of life on Earth has been found in hydrothermal vent precipitates.[1][2][3]
The earliest known life forms on Earth are believed to be fossilized microorganisms found in hydrothermal vent precipitates, considered to be about 3.42 billion years old.[1][2] The earliest time for the origin of life on Earth is at least 3.77 billion years ago, possibly as early as 4.28 billion years ago[2][4][5]—not long after the oceans formed 4.5 billion years ago, and after the formation of the Earth 4.54 billion years ago.[2][3][6][7] The earliest direct evidence of life on Earth is from microfossils of microorganisms permineralized in 3.465-billion-year-old Australian Apex chert rocks,[8][9] although the validity of these microfossils is debated.[10]
to recognizable life
So sorry I am rambling... (I tend to do that) so will close for now with saying I do not believe that the earth and our solar system is only 6,000 years old.
But I am certain it is not 13.8 billion years old.
I also have not drawn a conclusion yet, and would love some input from someone if they feel that all the galaxies and universes out there could have been in existence... either at once or progressively (NO I am not suggesting big bang or expansion for I believe our great creator God drew up the plans and then they came into being)
But then , for reasons of His own, our own solar system came into being at a much younger age?
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