18 indicted in Arizona, along with one "unindicted co-conspirator."

[chevyontheriver]

Because they are also criminals? Criminals who have defrauded all of the voters of the state.

And what was the date of this verdict?

 

[Vambram]

The Georgia Fake Electors Scheme: What Does Legal and Political History Tell Us About These Charges? | The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org

 

[The Barbarian]

I will say again. Despite what liberals believe, having alternate Electors IS NOT a crime.

The state of Arizona seems to differ with you, as do a number of other states.

Legal experts say that those involved in the phony certificates could face an array of state or federal charges such as mail fraud, forgery or obstruction.

What you need to know about the fake Trump electors

Several weeks after the 2020 election, groups of electors gathered in state Capitols to sign certificates affirming whic

www.politifact.com

 

[The Barbarian]

And what was the date of this verdict?

Be patient. Right now, some the perps have just been indicted. If they actually did present fake electors as the true ones, they they will be held accountable under the law.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Be patient. Right now, some the perps have just been indicted. If they actually did present fake electors as the true ones, they they will be held accountable under the law.

Ah, so there is not a verdict yet. You made it sound like there had been one. We once had a belief that people were innocent until proven guilty. My bad for living in the past.

 

[Pommer]

You know the answer to this question if you were paying attention after election day of November 2020.

Right, the court of Twitter (X).

 

[Vambram]

The state of Arizona seems to differ with you, as do a number of other states.

Legal experts say that those involved in the phony certificates could face an array of state or federal charges such as mail fraud, forgery or obstruction.

What you need to know about the fake Trump electors

Several weeks after the 2020 election, groups of electors gathered in state Capitols to sign certificates affirming whic

www.politifact.com

I am willing to bet that, just like in Arizona, I would be looking at Democratic Party AG's ... as well as Democratic Party "legal experts"

 

[wing2000]

The Arizona AG won by less than 300 votes. With all of the criminals and crime happening in her state, why is she focusing on alternate Electors? Perhaps it is because she wants to do everything she can to help Joe Biden win a 2nd term?

Or perhaps she thinks our democracy is worth defending. And btw, she can walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Hans Blaster]

And what was the date of this verdict?

You are confusing "criminals" and "convicted criminals". Criminals are those who commit crimes. Convicted criminals are the criminals that have been tried and convicted.

 

[chevyontheriver]

You are confusing "criminals" and "convicted criminals". Criminals are those who commit crimes. Convicted criminals are the criminals that have been tried and convicted.

Until there is a verdict and they are convicted of a crime they are, no, they once upon a time were considered innocent. They are now, by your telling, guilty but not convicted yet as guilty.

 

[Vambram]

Or perhaps she thinks our democracy is worth defending. And btw, she can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Our republic is certainly worth being defended against the open lawfare being committed by Democratic Party politicians.

 

[wing2000]

Our republic is certainly worth being defended against the open lawfare being committed by Democratic Party politicians.

Do you support Ms Ward's actions?

From the indictement:
KELLI WARD (001). WARD (001) was the chair of the Arizona Republican party. She organized the fake electors' vote on December 14, 2020, and voted for Trump-Pence as a fake elector, falsely stating that she was "duly elected and qualified." After voting, WARD (001) declared the Arizona Republican electors as the "true electors." She later urged Pence to accept false electoral votes for Trump-Pence on January 6, 2021.

[Notably]
She did not withdraw her vote even though no legal challenge successfully changed the outcome of Arizona's 2020 Presidential Election.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Do you support Ms Ward's actions?

From the indictement:
KELLI WARD (001). WARD (001) was the chair of the Arizona Republican party. She organized the fake electors' vote on December 14, 2020, and voted for Trump-Pence as a fake elector, falsely stating that she was "duly elected and qualified." After voting, WARD (001) declared the Arizona Republican electors as the "true electors." She later urged Pence to accept false electoral votes for Trump-Pence on January 6, 2021.

[Notably]
She did not withdraw her vote even though no legal challenge successfully changed the outcome of Arizona's 2020 Presidential Election.

Lock her up!

Where have I heard that before? But this time they're actually trying to do it. The statement was rightly condemned when the unnamed one said it because it was all about political persecution typical of a banana republic. It's still about that.

 

[durangodawood]

Falsely certifying that you are duly elected to the electoral college?

I should hope this kind of nonsense is illegal, with serious consequences.

 

[NxNW]

In an election when the results are being contested, having alternate Electors is NOT illegal.

They were committing election fraud. There is no legal provision for so-called alternate electors.

 

[NxNW]

Our republic is certainly worth being defended against the open lawfare being committed by Democratic Party politicians.

Lawfare? You mean enforcing the laws against election fraud?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do you support Ms Ward's actions?

From the indictement:
KELLI WARD (001). WARD (001) was the chair of the Arizona Republican party. She organized the fake electors' vote on December 14, 2020, and voted for Trump-Pence as a fake elector, falsely stating that she was "duly elected and qualified." After voting, WARD (001) declared the Arizona Republican electors as the "true electors." She later urged Pence to accept false electoral votes for Trump-Pence on January 6, 2021.

[Notably]
She did not withdraw her vote even though no legal challenge successfully changed the outcome of Arizona's 2020 Presidential Election.

Good ol' "Chemtrail Kelli". She's been a nutter for years and only recently moved to committing crimes to gain power.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Until there is a verdict and they are convicted of a crime they are, no, they once upon a time were considered innocent. They are now, by your telling, guilty but not convicted yet as guilty.

You are confusing the legal assumption of innocence for actual innocence. I did not say "guilty". Please read the post you just replied to carefully.

 

[durangodawood]

The same people complaining about election fraud with no evidence commiting actual election fraud for all to see, with a paper trail.

 

[DaisyDay]

Our republic is certainly worth being defended against the open lawfare being committed by Democratic Party politicians.

Here is a bit from John Eastman's memo that the false electors relied upon:

This is the piece that we believe is unconstitutional. It allows the two houses, “acting separately,” to decide the question, whereas the 12th Amendment provides only for a joint session. And if there is disagreement, under the Act the slate certified by the “executive” of the state is to be counted, regardless of the evidence that exists regarding the election, and regardless of whether there was ever fair review of what happened in the election, by judges and/or state legislatures.
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Please note the part I emphasized.

This MAGA Republican openly advised members of his own party to disregard evidence and no fair review. Who here is committing lawfare?