18 indicted in Arizona, along with one "unindicted co-conspirator."

[Fantine]

I am sure that most of the 18 are shaking their heads and bemoaning that old proverb, "With friends like the unindicted conspirator (DJT), who needs enemies?"

The names of seven of the defendants, including Meadows, Giuliani and Epshteyn, are redacted, but the document makes clear who they are by describing their roles. Others include attorneys John Eastman, Jenna Ellis and Christina Bobb, as well as Trump 2020 campaign operative Mike Roman...Michigan prosecutors revealed Wednesday that Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in their own investigation as well. And many of the newly charged defendants in Arizona, including Meadows, Giuliani, Eastman and Ellis, were charged in the Georgia case. Ellis pleaded guilty in Georgia and avoided jail time, while Meadows, Giuliani and Eastman have pleaded not guilty.

I guess that Michigan and Arizona, seeing how busy Trump's court calendar will be with lengthy trials in NY, Washington, D.C., Georgia, and Florida, decided that they shouldn't indict him. After all, how many jail terms can a 77 year-old man survive?

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/arizona-election-indictments-giuliani-meadows-trump-00154241

Meadows, Giuliani, Eastman and others probably wished they had heeded their Sunday school teachers about avoiding bad companions...and Trump's unindicted status in Arizona and Michigan really hurt them. In D.C. and Georgia, they can plea bargain in turn for turning state's evidence. They can't do that here.

 

[wing2000]

It's the first charges against Epshteyn.

Others local actors:
Also charged are the Republicans who signed paperwork on Dec. 14, 2020, that falsely purported Trump was the rightful winner, including former state party chair Kelli Ward, state Sens. Jake Hoffman and Anthony Kern, and Tyler Bowyer, a GOP national committeeman and chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, the campaign arm of the pro-Trump conservative group Turning Point USA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/

 

[wing2000]

Charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy – class 2, 4, and 5 felonies.

Indictment:

https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/Indictment.pdf

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's the first charges against Epshteyn.

This part of your post made me think of those voice overs at awards shows...

"This is Epshteyn's first indictment and second time as co-conspirator."

Others local actors:
Also charged are the Republicans who signed paperwork on Dec. 14, 2020, that falsely purported Trump was the rightful winner, including former state party chair Kelli Ward, state Sens. Jake Hoffman and Anthony Kern, and Tyler Bowyer, a GOP national committeeman and chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, the campaign arm of the pro-Trump conservative group Turning Point USA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/

 

[Vambram]

Looks like to me that the liberals in Arizona waited almost 3 1/2 years here. I wonder why? As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you go, hmm."

 

[wing2000]

Looks like to me that the liberals in Arizona waited almost 3 1/2 years here. I wonder why? As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you go, hmm."

AG Kris Mayes was elected in 2022 -- by a mere 511 votes ( Correction - 280 votes)
Had she lost, today's idictments would have never occured....and those who would invalidate my vote would skate free.

 

[AlexB23]

Even the Guardian has this news about Arizona. It takes time to collect evidence, but finally we are here: Arizona grand jury indicts Trump allies including Giuliani over 2020 fake elector scheme

Plus, it has a link to the indictment: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24604443/indictment03.pdf

 

[Hans Blaster]

Looks like to me that the liberals in Arizona waited almost 3 1/2 years here. I wonder why? As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you go, hmm."

We could start with the AG not being in office until about 15-16 months ago. (She was elected in Nov 2022. I don't know exactly when the terms start in AZ.)

 

[wing2000]

Another fun fact:
In 2019, AG Mayes left the Republican Party and joined the Democratic Party, citing the expansion of Trumpism within the Republican Party.


2022 Interview with candidate Mayes:

“We’ve never lived in a more dangerous time for our democracy. If we elect a couple of attorney generals who refuse to certify the 2024 elections, it essentially means our democracy is gone. It couldn’t be more stark, so these elections really matter for the whole country,” said Mayes, in an interview with the Guardian at her Phoenix home.

‘Democracy runs through Arizona’: candidate for attorney general says fate of the nation is at stake

Kris Mayes, a former Republican, says protecting democracy, the heating planet and abortion rights are urgent priorities

www.theguardian.com

She has a lot of company in Arizona...

 

[AlexB23]

Another fun fact:
In 2019, AG Mayes left the Republican Party and joined the Democratic Party, citing the expansion of Trumpism within the Republican Party.

She has a lot of company in Arizona...

Yeah, if I was a Republican, I would have left the Republican party also. My dad left the Republican party in the 2000s and will remain far away from any party, as the rise of the tea party and unnecessary wars (yes, $8 trillion) happened: Economic Costs | Costs of War

 

[Vambram]

Okay fine. The Arizona AG waited almost two years? Why?????

 

[Vambram]

Yeah, if I was a Republican, I would have left the Republican party also. My dad left the Republican party in the 2000s and will remain far away from any party, as the rise of the tea party and unnecessary wars (yes, $8 trillion) happened: Economic Costs | Costs of War

My wife used to be a Democrat. But, that party became beholden to the progressive far left. Therefore, my wife will never again vote for a Democratic Party politician.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Okay fine. The Arizona AG waited almost two years? Why?????

1 1/4 years is not "almost two years". Criminal investigations take time. One year seems reasonable.

 

[AlexB23]

Okay fine. The Arizona AG waited almost two years? Why?????

Cos it takes a while to gather evidence. This nifty article explains how courts work: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/..._education_network/how_courts_work/discovery/

See how complicated the courts are? That is to ensure a fair trial.

 

[Vambram]

1 1/4 years is not "almost two years". Criminal investigations take time. One year seems reasonable.

Your apparent faith in politicians of the Democratic Party is amazing.

 

[Vambram]

Cos it takes a while to gather evidence. This nifty article explains how courts work: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/..._education_network/how_courts_work/discovery/

See how complicated the courts are? That is to ensure a fair trial.
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You don't have any questions about the political timing of these indictments?

 

[AlexB23]

My wife used to be a Democrat. But, that party became beholden to the progressive far left. Therefore, my wife will never again vote for a Democratic Party politician.

Yes, I am part of no party. I used to like the democrats a lot (cos the Bible talks about stewards of the Earth, and being non-judgemental), but then as soon as the gender stuff took off in 2019-2024, I am tired of both parties. So yes, I am liberal, but at the same time, I am pragmatic.

Democrats could be helping the poor, instead of focusing on superficial non-issues such as gender, but that's for another thread. Opinion piece about why both parties are no good: Both parties are lying to you. Democrats don’t really care about democracy, and the GOP doesn’t care about deficits.

 

[wing2000]

Okay fine. The Arizona AG waited almost two years? Why?????

Thorough investigations, grand juries, etc take time....as the AG noted:

Arizona fake electors who tried to certify Trump 2020 win indicted

Attorney General Kris Mayes said on April 24, 2024, that fake electors who falsely certified Trump as winning the 2020 Arizona election were indicted.

www.azcentral.com

 

[AlexB23]

You don't have any questions about the political timing of these indictments?

Well, I do not have many questions on the timing. Trump committed his actions in January 2021. Add two or three years to investigate, then we have 2023 or 2024 as the date for the trial/indictments. Maybe if presidents had 6 years in office, one term, things would be different. Opinion piece about 6-year terms: Opinion: Can a single, six-year presidential term save us from ourselves? • Pennsylvania Capital-Star

 

[wing2000]

Your apparent faith in politicians of the Democratic Party is amazing.

Your gut reactions are rooted in political bias. You assume that "liberals" brought this prosection.
The fact is, there are many Republicans who stood up for our elections and my vote in the 2020 election.