Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

Apple Sky said:

That's not what it says in the Bible as well you know.

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Bible is no authority regarding the age, shape or form of the physical world.

NASA is, for example.

Apple Sky said:

Thanks - You must be very clever & know your Bible extremely well

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Thank you for the compliment, but I'm not that clever.

The book is a book of Bible stories - all the stories and characters were already there. All I've done is to have these characters, re-tell their own stories - 85% fact, mixed with a little imagination.
It's aimed at people who will never pick up a Bible, grapple with Leviticus, Numbers etc and may never get to the Gospel.
All characters point to/prophesy about Jesus.

King James Bible
The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

Apple Sky said:

King James Bible
The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

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"Cosmic Wheels-Donovan" is not a proper source for this discussion.

Strong in Him said:

Thank you for the compliment, but I'm not that clever.

The book is a book of Bible stories - all the stories and characters were already there. All I've done is to have these characters, re-tell their own stories - 85% fact, mixed with a little imagination.
It's aimed at people who will never pick up a Bible, grapple with Leviticus, Numbers etc and may never get to the Gospel.
All characters point to/prophesy about Jesus.

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Keep up the good work, I reckon your doing some great work for God

trophy33 said:

"Cosmic Wheels-Donovan" is not a proper source for this discussion.

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Why not ? It tells us that it is the firmament that turns & not the earth.

King James Bible
The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

Apple Sky said:

Why not ? It tells us that it is the firmament that moves & not the earth.

King James Bible
The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

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Neither the Bible nor a song on youtube are authorities regarding the age, shape or form of the physical universe.

Apple Sky said:

Why not ? It tells us that it is the firmament that moves & not the earth.

King James Bible
The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

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Ezekiel's vision was of spiritual things, not physical.

prodromos said:

Ezekiel's vision was of spiritual things, not physical.

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It's still what he saw.

Apple Sky said:

It's still what he saw.

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Not with his physical eyes.

prodromos said:

Not with his physical eyes.

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No he had visions from God, but aren't visions from God supposed to be true especially from the prophets ? As it wouldn't be in the Bible.

Apple Sky said:

No he had visions from God, but aren't visions from God supposed to be true especially from the prophets ? As it wouldn't be in the Bible.

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you are still conflating spiritual with physical.

Apple Sky said:

aren't visions from God supposed to be true especially from the prophets ?

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No, they are not supposed to be literally/physically true. I cannot think about even one occasion in which a vision from the Bible is supposed to be literal.

trophy33 said:

No, they are not supposed to be literally/physically true. I cannot think about even one occasion in which a vision from the Bible is supposed to be literal.

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But Moses didn't have visions God actually spoke to him - Yes ?

Apple Sky said:

But Moses didn't have visions God actually spoke to him - Yes ?

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I do not recall a place where it is said that Moses had a vision, so you are probably right, but I am not sure.

Apple Sky said:

Keep up the good work, I reckon your doing some great work for God

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Thank you; that's very kind.

Apple Sky said:

Loads, the big one for me is how does NASA get their rockets through the firmament ?


They falsify pictures in favor of a globe.
They falsify pictures of the whole Universe.
They filmed the fake 69 Apollo moon landings with the help of Stanley Kubrick ( film producer & director ).
I could go on & on ............

And now NASA are claiming that the earth has a planet inside of it

Scientists discover remains of a 'buried planet' deep inside EARTH

Fragments of Planet Theia appear to be buried deep beneath Africa and the Pacific Ocean. And now more evidence has been found deep in the moon via NASA's GRAIL craft

www.dailymail.co.uk

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I gave 7 examples of everyday observations that demonstated that the earth cannot be flat, but is a globe. Not one of these has anything to do with NASA. I was careful to restrict the list to things that I have personally observed.

Prodromos added some more examples. None of those depended on NASA.

Yet again, you did not address any of these examples.

Even if NASA was faking everything they do and creating CGI images of a globe earth, that does not make the eart flat. But the only 'evidence' that NASA is faking everyting is that it does not fit with a flat earth.

An analogy: 10 people witness a serious accident. Their claims are easily verified. Then later someone else comes along and also claims to have witnessd the accident. However a social media compaign builds to discredit this person. There are concerns about his reliability / drinking / couldn't see it from his home / personal friend of someone injured in the accident / has a grudge against the pesron at fault / etc. All without any actual evidence that this person is lying. So what if he is lying? But even if this person is lying about what he did not see, does not mean the accident never happened. That is bad logic and it ignores all the other witnesses.

(I realise that Apple Sky won't get beyond the first line. I once had a boss who rarely read beyond the first line of two of an email. So we would hide bad news in the 2nd or 3rd line).

HantsUK said:

Even if NASA was faking everything they do and creating CGI images of a globe earth, that does not make the eart flat.

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What made me believe the earth is level & stationary were the scriptures, I know the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat but there are some passages in scripture that do point to the fact that the earth is level & stationary.

Apple Sky said:

What made me believe the earth is level & stationary were the scriptures, I know the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat but there are some passages in scripture that do point to the fact that the earth is level & stationary.

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I did the same thing about 6 years ago. The Bible is very clear in what it says, and it is very simple. My study extended to 3-tier cosmology and again the Bible is very clear. There is/are heaven(s) above, with this earth (here we are) and then the "under the earth" or underworld. ( The two [FE/G] systems are exact mirrors of each other (this is another interesting topic in itself). Debating is a futile endless loop.

The biggest hurdle for me was that I had flown around to the opposite side of the earth about 5 times (15 plus hours of flight time) in both directions so it could not be "flat." Then I looked at a FE map and it worked both ways quite simply, including any layovers I had taken.

So hopefully people have read their Bibles, and now should read it again ( I had read it over 50 times, but re-read it for this subject). Then make your conclusion. Praise Jesus!


[Phl 2:10 CSB] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow
-- in heaven and on earth and under the earth --

Paul4JC said:

There is/are heaven(s) above, with this earth (here we are) and then the "under the earth" or underworld. ( The two [FE/G] systems are exact mirrors of each other (this is another interesting topic in itself). Debating is a futile endless loop.

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I'd be very interested to know more about this subject.

Do you mean that the underworld mirrors earth (as above so below) ? If so, I have read up about this concept & found it extremely interesting & can very much believe it.

Here is a map of the underworld, click on it to get a close up of the names.