Faith does not void the law

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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. NKJV



All the law does is give people the knowledge of sin. In other words, the law says, if you do “this” it is a sin.



Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. NKJV



All the law does is define sin. Even without the law people died. What law were the people under who that died from Adam to Moses?



Genesis 4:2 Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord. 4 Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, 5 but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. 6 So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it." 8 Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. NKJV



The commandments had not been given. None of the law of Moses, written laws or laws of any kind had been given. All that had happened at the time of Cain and Abel was, through Adam, man had gained knowledge of good and evil. Yet, Cain was envious and committed murder. Therefore, Cain knew the 7th and 10th commandments. When sin was defined sin revived and Cain sinned.



The entire world fell into sin when Adam gained knowledge of good and evil. They started to die at that time. The thing that Adam knew was, when he got the knowledge of good and evil he would surely die. Therefore everyone, when they get the knowledge of good and evil, has the knowledge of sin and because we are slaves to sin, we sin. When we have knowledge of good and evil it revives the sin within us and we die.



Does that mean that Cain was judged for his sin of breaking the 7th and 10th commandment. If he was then God lied because Romans 5:13 states that sin is not imputed where there is no law? Cain was not under the law, all he had was the knowledge of of good and evil.



Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. NKJV



God passed over the sins Cain committed. He did not impute the sin of breaking the 10 commandments to Cain. We must look at verses Genesis 4: 3-7 to determine what Cain did wrong. Verse 3 Cain brought an offering of his work. His work, as well as our work, will not get us justification.



Compare Cain's offering to Abel's offering. Verse 4 Abel brought the firstborn of his sheep. Abel brought the best of his flock. Abel's offering proved that he believed God. Abel's offering was accepted because his offering was the offering God required.



Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. NKJV



The law required animal blood offerings for sins. As shown by Cain and Abel God required a blood offering prior to the law.



Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. NKJV



The offerings required, under the law, did not take away sins, it provided a temporary covering for sin. When the people made the offering for their sins it proved they had faith in God's word. Therefore, the law did not remove a person's sins. It was the faith the people had in God's word that justified a person under the law.




Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God NKJV




Faith does not void the law. The law and the prophets provided witness to righteousness through faith in Jesus. Justification by faith confirms the testimony of the law and prophets. Faith justified under the law and continues to justify under grace.
 

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Thank you,

Justification by faith started in the garden. Continued under the law and continues under grace.
And that faith was in the promise (of Seed, Ge 3:15, Ge 15:5, Jesus Christ--Gal 3:16).
 
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By agreeing to put the will of God ahead of our own, a reversal of what was done in the garden.
No. . .by believing in and trusting on the atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) and person of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God; i.e., "not guilty," declared righteous (justified) by God.
 
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No. . .by believing in and trusting on the atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) and person of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God; i.e., "not guilty," declared righteous (justified) by God.
Of course we believe Jesus did what was required of Him to establish the new Kingdom to come. What goes with this is our worthiness by agreeing to it's principles over the self serving principles of mankind. Jesus was clear about this. The entire Bible from beginning t end has been clear about this.
 
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Of course we believe Jesus did what was required of Him to establish the new Kingdom to come. What goes with this is our worthiness by agreeing to it's principles over the self serving principles of mankind. Jesus was clear about this. The entire Bible from beginning t end has been clear about this.
No one is "worthy" until the resurrection when they are sinless.
 
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Yes I should have said 'demonstrating our agreement' . Some might know it as showing our fruits.

Most of the Israelis never understood that the law witnessed to justification by faith.


Romans 10:3 For they are being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV



God's righteousness is righteousness to everyone who believes. It does not say to everyone that believes and agrees to produce fruits.



1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. NKJV


Every Christian has some wood, hay and straw on the foundation. If someone's work is burned and they escape through the fire. That means nothing they built with endured. They have no rewards which means they had no fruits. A Christian only has fruits when they build with precious materials.
 
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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. NKJV



All the law does is give people the knowledge of sin. In other words, the law says, if you do “this” it is a sin.



Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. NKJV



All the law does is define sin. Even without the law people died. What law were the people under who that died from Adam to Moses?



Genesis 4:2 Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord. 4 Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, 5 but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. 6 So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it." 8 Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. NKJV



The commandments had not been given. None of the law of Moses, written laws or laws of any kind had been given. All that had happened at the time of Cain and Abel was, through Adam, man had gained knowledge of good and evil. Yet, Cain was envious and committed murder. Therefore, Cain knew the 7th and 10th commandments. When sin was defined sin revived and Cain sinned.



The entire world fell into sin when Adam gained knowledge of good and evil. They started to die at that time. The thing that Adam knew was, when he got the knowledge of good and evil he would surely die. Therefore everyone, when they get the knowledge of good and evil, has the knowledge of sin and because we are slaves to sin, we sin. When we have knowledge of good and evil it revives the sin within us and we die.



Does that mean that Cain was judged for his sin of breaking the 7th and 10th commandment. If he was then God lied because Romans 5:13 states that sin is not imputed where there is no law? Cain was not under the law, all he had was the knowledge of of good and evil.



Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. NKJV



God passed over the sins Cain committed. He did not impute the sin of breaking the 10 commandments to Cain. We must look at verses Genesis 4: 3-7 to determine what Cain did wrong. Verse 3 Cain brought an offering of his work. His work, as well as our work, will not get us justification.



Compare Cain's offering to Abel's offering. Verse 4 Abel brought the firstborn of his sheep. Abel brought the best of his flock. Abel's offering proved that he believed God. Abel's offering was accepted because his offering was the offering God required.



Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. NKJV



The law required animal blood offerings for sins. As shown by Cain and Abel God required a blood offering prior to the law.



Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. NKJV



The offerings required, under the law, did not take away sins, it provided a temporary covering for sin. When the people made the offering for their sins it proved they had faith in God's word. Therefore, the law did not remove a person's sins. It was the faith the people had in God's word that justified a person under the law.




Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God NKJV




Faith does not void the law. The law and the prophets provided witness to righteousness through faith in Jesus. Justification by faith confirms the testimony of the law and prophets. Faith justified under the law and continues to justify under grace.
Sin is what is contrary to God's eternal nature, such as with righteousness being in accordance with God's nature while unrighteousness is sin. God's law divides between what is in accordance with or contrary to His nature, which is why sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4). Likewise, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of His righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160). Sin was in the world before the law was given because people could act in a way that was contrary to God's nature because they had been instructed laws to refrain from doing that.

In Genesis 4:7, God told cain that sin was crouching at the door and that he must master it, which implies that he already knew what sin is and that he must have already been given laws in that regard. The penalty for committing murder is death, so the fact that Cain was not given the death penalty, but was concerned about being avenged and was given proaction shows that he was treated in accordance with what would later be recorded in Deuteronomy 19 for how to treat someone guilty of accidental manslaughter.

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust in God is by obediently trusting in His instructions and it is contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God for justification, but not in His instructions, which is why the faith which we are justified does not abolish our need to obey God's instructions, but rather our faith upholds them (Romans 3:28-31).
 
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God's righteousness is righteousness to everyone who believes. It does not say to everyone that believes and agrees to produce fruits.
How can you not produce when you believe our will is backwards to His. Selfishness removed we cannot help but care for others.
 
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Nor is it about superiority. . .it is about authority.
It definitely is about superiority. Our self serving ways are definitely inferior to the will of God which is superior, yet we chose to use them everyday in spite of His authourity. Blind allegiance is useless unless the eyes are opened to the reasons why we have it backwards in seeking self satisfaction.
 
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It definitely is about superiority. Our self serving ways are definitely inferior to the will of God which is superior, yet we chose to use them everyday in spite of His authourity. Blind allegiance is useless unless the eyes are opened to the reasons why we have it backwards in seeking self satisfaction.
No, it is not about "superiority" which everything divine always is, while everyone may not think so.
It's about authority, whether you think them superior or not.
 
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It's about authority, whether you think them superior or not.
Unlike humans who blindly follow their political systems and leaders for all sorts of selfish reasons, those who agree to live by God's authourity do not do so blindly or selfishly. We would have learned nothing nor be of any use to Him if we did.
 
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Unlike humans who blindly follow their political systems and leaders for all sorts of selfish reasons, those who agree to live by God's authourity do not do so blindly or selfishly. We would have learned nothing nor be of any use to Him if we did.
No one this side of glory is completely unselfish.
 
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