Works Relation to Salvation

[SabbathBlessings]

And the new moon feasts? Will those be kept as well in the new heaven?

““For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord, “So your offspring and your name will endure. And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭22‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

If Isaiah 66:23 means that we must continue to observe the sabbath because it says they will worship from sabbath to sabbath then it also means we must observe the new moon feasts because it also says from new moon to new moon.

No, we went through this. New Moon just means new month. These is no feasts mentioned in Isa 66:22-23

You are adding the word feast when its not in the scripture.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No it doesn't. Being childlike is trusting God's word as it is written and accepting the obvious meaning of scripture.

But your not applying that to Colossians 2:16 your claiming these children have to know Paul’s history as a Pharisee and understand the teachings of the Mosaic law in order for them to know that Paul wasn’t talking about the Saturday Sabbath. You’re saying that they CAN’T simply read it “AS IT IS WRITTEN”. Is Colossians 2:16 written excluding the Saturday sabbath? No it’s not, Paul doesn’t mention any exclusion from the sabbath days. As it is written ALL sabbath days are included as it is actually written.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But your not applying that to Colossians 2:16 your claiming these children have to know Paul’s history as a Pharisee and understand the teachings of the Mosaic law in order for them to know that Paul wasn’t talking about the Saturday Sabbath. You’re saying that they CAN’T simply read it “AS IT IS WRITTEN”. Is Colossians 2:16 written excluding the Saturday sabbath? No it’s not, Paul doesn’t mention any exclusion from the sabbath days. As it is written ALL sabbath days are included as it is actually written.

Only if we don't bring in the context Col 2:14-17 KJV as previously provided. Works Relation to Salvation

 

[BNR32FAN]

Wrong. Paul was a Pharisee and Pharisees had a very proscribed way of thinking.



So why would Paul say touching the law blameless? Because he was a Pharisee and the Pharisees were so legalistic they murdered Jesus because He rejected their traditions and was stealing their political power, or so they thought.

I don’t care if he was a samurai Eskimo nazi musketeer, it still doesn’t change the definition of the statement he made. If he said we are not to be judged for not observing the sabbath days nothing changes that. If a Muslim says it, it still means the same thing. If a Buddhist says it, it still means the same thing. If a democrat, a republican, an astronaut, a plumber, a truck driver, or an accountant says it, it still means the exact same thing. Bottom line is, you’re refusing to practice what you yourself preach, to accept it as it is written.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Only if we don't bring in the context Col 2:14-17 KJV as previously provided. Works Relation to Salvation

First I don’t read the KJV because it’s inaccurate and has added commentary. Second I don’t do commentaries because there are commentaries for every heresy ever concocted.

 

[Gary K]

No, he wasn't as the context I provided showes in detail.

Paul does not have authority to countermand something that God blessed, one of the commandments inscribed by God's own finger, you need a thus saith the Lord for that. Num 23:20 We do have a warning that many people twist Paul's writings to their own destruction because he is hard to under 2 Peter 3:16 and sadly people still do this despite showing the context to some of these passages.

He called them sabbath(s) plural and verse before shows which ones - handwritten, ordinances, and placed on the outside of the ark -His readers understood this as the annual sabbaths and they were lower s in the NKJV and all weekly Sabbaths are capital S so even the translator of the NKJV understood it.

That is where you are mistaken.

Deu 31:22 Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.
Deu 31:23 And he gave Joshua the son of Nun a charge, and said, Be strong and of a good courage: for thou shalt bring the children of Israel into the land which I sware unto them: and I will be with thee.
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.

Two different places, two separate laws. What was paced in the side of the ark was the law of blessings and cursings that Moses had given the Israelites in the book of Deuteronomy. The 10 commandmets went under the mercy seat to teach that God's mercy covers them.

 

[Gary K]

I don’t care if he was a samurai Eskimo nazi musketeer, it still doesn’t change the definition of the statement he made. If he said we are not to be judged for not observing the sabbath days nothing changes that. If a Muslim says it, it still means the same thing. If a Buddhist says it, it still means the same thing. If a democrat, a republican, an astronaut, a plumber, a truck driver, or an accountant says it, it still means the exact same thing. Bottom line is, you’re refusing to practice what you yourself preach, to accept it as it is written.

Ok. If you insist who Paul was makes no difference to you. I disagree, bur I'll just agree to disagree.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That is where you are mistaken.





Two different places, two separate laws. What was paced in the side of the ark was the law of blessings and cursings that Moses had given the Israelites in the book of Deuteronomy. The 10 commandmets went under the mercy seat to teach that God's mercy covers them.

I am not referring to the Sabbath commandment being on the outside of the ark. Only the Ten Commandments are inside the ark, which of course includes the weekly Sabbath commandment. I was referring to the annual sabbath(s) ordinances (annual holy feasts days etc.) that are outside the ark. Are you claiming the annual feasts days are inside with the Ten Commandments? I'm having a hard time understanding what you are objecting to.

 

[Gary K]

I am not referring to the Sabbath commandment being on the outside of the ark. Only the Ten Commandments are inside the ark, which of course includes the weekly Sabbath commandment. I was referring to the annual sabbath(s) ordinances (annual holy feasts days etc.) that are outside the ark. Are you claiming the annual feasts days are inside with the Ten Commandments?

Why would I claim something like that when I just posted scripture stating the 10 commandments were under the mercy seat? Moses is the one who said what was put in the pocket in the side of the ark was trhe law of blessings and cursings to be a witness against the Israelites.

You don't like that? Take it up with God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul does not have authority to countermand something that God blessed,

Do you think it was Paul and the apostles who overruled circumcision?

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, we went through this. New Moon just means new month. These is no feasts mentioned in Isa 66:22-23

You are adding the word feast when its not in the scripture.

So new moon to new moon means from month to month so what does from sabbath to sabbath mean? It means from Saturday to Saturday, in other words it means everyday, 7 days a week.it does not mean that people will be worshiping on the Sabbath it means people will be worshipping everyday.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So new moon to new moon means from month to month so what does from sabbath to sabbath mean? It means from Saturday to Saturday, in other words it means everyday, 7 days a week.it does not mean that people will be worshiping on the Sabbath it means people will be worshipping everyday.

It says from one Sabbath to another, not from day to day. I go to church from one Sabbath to another, not day to day. God defined the Sabbath as the seventh day Exo 20:10.

 

[Gary K]

So new moon to new moon means from month to month so what does from sabbath to sabbath mean? It means from Saturday to Saturday, in other words it means everyday, 7 days a week.it does not mean that people will be worshiping on the Sabbath it means people will be worshipping everyday.

I have to agree with SB on this. Nowhere have I ever seen anything written that equates from one time to the next with every day. I don't care who wrote it Christian or non Christian.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Ok. If you insist who Paul was makes no difference to you. I disagree, bur I'll just agree to disagree.

Ok so what if Paul hadn’t made that statement and instead Luke made that statement, how would that change the meaning of it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have to agree with SB on this. Nowhere have I ever seen anything written that equates from one time to the next with every day. I don't care who wrote it Christian or non Christian.

So if your employer says you’ll be working from Monday to Friday that means you’re only working on Monday and Friday?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It says from one Sabbath to another, not from day to day. I go to church from one Sabbath to another, not day to day. God defined the Sabbath as the seventh day Exo 20:10.

Ok same question I asked Gary, if your employer says you’ll be working from Monday to Friday does that mean you’ll only be working on Monday and Friday or does that mean you’ll be working Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It says from one Sabbath to another, not from day to day. I go to church from one Sabbath to another, not day to day. God defined the Sabbath as the seventh day Exo 20:10.

I have to agree with SB on this. Nowhere have I ever seen anything written that equates from one time to the next with every day. I don't care who wrote it Christian or non Christian.

From monday to friday OR From monday through friday.

Dear teachers and members: I have always had a confusion regarding the following phrases. I°) I work from monday to friday. II°) I work from monday through friday. a) I know the first phrase is the one used the most and I also think it may mean one of the followings: 1) I work from monday...

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Monday to Friday" would include all of the days inbetween (i.e. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday). In most cases (e.g. "I work Monday to Friday") it is understood to include Friday as well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok same question I asked Gary, if your employer says you’ll be working from Monday to Friday does that mean you’ll only be working on Monday and Friday or does that mean you’ll be working Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

The passage says from one Sabbath to another, not from one day to another

Isa 66:23And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.


The saints are not going to be coming before the Lord 24/7 in the New Heaven and New Earth as scripture tells us the saints will be working - attending to vineyards and building houses.

 

[Gary K]

Ok so what if Paul hadn’t made that statement and instead Luke made that statement, how would that change the meaning of it?

It wouldn't. It's scripture and therefore I believe it

 

[BNR32FAN]

The passage says from one Sabbath to another, not from one day to another

Isa 66:23And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.


The saints are not going to be coming before the Lord 24/7 in the New Heaven and New Earth as scripture tells us the saints will be working - attending to vineyards and building houses.

No that’s just an inaccurate translation from the KJV.

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/isaiah/66-23.htm#:~:text=◄%20Isaiah%2066%3A23%20►%20NASB%20Lexicon%20KJV%20Lexicon,shall%20come%20to%20pass%20that%20from%20day%20%28dahee%29

I don’t know why this biblehub link isn’t working properly but if you type Isaiah 66:23 lexicon in a Google search you can see the biblehub lexicon that will provide a word for word translation. The passage in Hebrew says Shabbat Shabbat, the word “another” is not in the Hebrew text. Also the Hebrew word for Saturday is Shabbat aka Sabbath.

And Isaiah 66:23 is referring to some of the saints who will be priests and Levites, not all of them.

“I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬