Planet Fitness bans woman who complained about transgender woman in locker room

[mmksparbud]

So---does God make a mistake when a baby is born with 2 heads?--with no arms, no legs, cleft palates, club feet, conjoined twins? Are conjoined twins made in the image of God? Is the mind of the schizophrenic made in God's original perfection?? How about the mind of the serial killer?--perfect as is? Is it a sin to do brain surgery and remove a tumor? Is it a sin to remove a 6th finger, a 6th toe, is it a sin to separate conjoined twins? Was it a sin to remove the 2nd head on that baby that was born with 2?? We are not perfect anymore and God has given us doctors to help with all our infirmities, Jesus and the disciples spent a great deal of time healing.

 

[BrokenWarrior]

Proof by shouting?

Scripture doesn't mention transgenderism.

It does mention people of the same sex having sex - but that's not we are talking about.
It does talk about people wearing clothes of the other gender - but (a) thats not what we are talking about, (b) is talking about a particular place in Israel's history with something that simply does not generalise, (c) if you insist on generalising it you've got to start by addressing the the million and one other women who wear trousers, (d) I trust you have built a parapet around your roof (e) how many young women have you stoned to death this year?

Please stop abusing scripture by trying to use verses to serve your own agenda, completely different from the issues they are meant to address.

Did you even read my post?

As to c> just because the world accepts it, doesn't make it right... if God says it's wrong, it's wrong. Not my place to argue...

To d> I reply: No, I have not. I do not live in an area where that is even possible..Context is everything...

As to e>: Wow, where did that come from? I'm not some "Holier-than-thou" Saint... I am a terrible wretched man. Least of all currently living that deserves forgivness. And I've never claimed to be more... I struggle daily with a terrible addiction, that causes a lot of trouble with my relationship with Christ. But I strive onwards...

I seen someone in a sin they seemed to be comfortable with, and Scripture says I have a right, if not a duty, to alert said Believer of their predicament... What he decides to do is entirely up to him. I've warned him. He rebuttaled. I backed up my statement with Scripture... no more to be said....

I don't not hate the guy, or anyone for that matter struggling with this problem. It is a shame the world supports this so much nowadays, and a shame that Christians are stereotyped as haters. And even worse that there are Believers that reject people struggling with this. It is our duty to comfort them, love them, forgive them, and show them the Truth.

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[mmksparbud]

Serious question: what does it mean for a brain to be male or female?

What I mean is this: there are two ways to discuss a body part as having a sex. The first, and probably most common, is really to me that it is possessed by someone of that sex. So therefore I could speak of my hand or my eye as being a male hand or eye, because I am a man and they belong to me.

The second is to say that the part in question is something which only belongs to a particular sex. So testicles being a male body part, a uterus being a female body part and so on.

Since both men and women have brains, it would seem that to speak of a male or female brain would be to speak of a brain possessed by a man or by a woman. Which isn't unusual, until we start saying that the brain may be of one sex and the rest of the body of the other. What does this mean? I'm not really sure.

And along these lines, could I speak of a man having a female hand, or a woman having a male eye, or similarly with other body parts? If so, what would it mean? If not, how are they distinguished from the case of the brain?

I can only speak from observation, compassion, and talking to transgenders themselves. I am not one, so I can only give my opinion.
Being male or female is very much in the brain, not just sexual organs and hormones--for example-
Just one actual case of twins--one was born male, the other had both organs. So the dr's and the parents decided to make that one a female, surgically removing the male parts, so they could have a boy and a girl--nice. They raised it as female, and at the appropriate time, give it female hormones, explaining to the child it just had hormone deficiencies. It never acted female, had a great deal of trouble being female, was horrified when it developed breasts--was from the very first, however, attracted to females. So the child thought he was gay. He finally took his parents aside and told them he was gay--that's when they finally told him the truth and took him to a dr who explained the whole thing to him and it all finally made sense to him--because he was a HIM. They quite giving him the female hormones and let him be who he felt he was, which was male. He was not crossdressing, he was not acting male, he was male---from birth, despite them having the removed the male parts at birth and giving him hormones.He has since tried to get back some sort of reasonable facsimile to a male organ. They do not know all there is to know about the complexities of the brain for we are, indeed, fearfully and wonderfully made.

 

[BrokenWarrior]

So---does God make a mistake when a baby is born with 2 heads?--with no arms, no legs, cleft palates, club feet, conjoined twins? Are conjoined twins made in the image of God? Is the mind of the schizophrenic made in God's original perfection?? How about the mind of the serial killer?--perfect as is? Is it a sin to do brain surgery and remove a tumor? Is it a sin to remove a 6th finger, a 6th toe, is it a sin to separate conjoined twins? Was it a sin to remove the 2nd head on that baby that was born with 2?? We are not perfect anymore and God has given us doctors to help with all our infirmities, Jesus and the disciples spent a great deal of time healing.

Now you are unnecessarily getting into the realm of science, which is entirely off subject.

but I'll bite...

Who's to say birth defects are not affected by outside sources?? Take that as you will...

Yes, we ARE imperfect, couldn't agree with you more... but this (apparently) is not about our spiritual state. It's about our bodies. That verse was written after man's imperfection was inhereted...

Mind of a serial killer/schizophrenic are either perverted evil minded or are influenced by other forces.

seperating conjoined twins, I don't think is wrong since you're helping them, and possibly saving there lives.

if a 2 headed baby had consciencness in each head, then it would be murder to take a head off.

Hope I helped!

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[ebia]

Did you even read my post?

Yes

They consist of
(a) a claim that God agrees with you
(b) some bible verses that are talking about something else entirely

However, unless you stop shouting I shall not be reading any more, including the one this responds to.

 

[BrokenWarrior]

Serious question: what does it mean for a brain to be male or female?

What I mean is this: there are two ways to discuss a body part as having a sex. The first, and probably most common, is really to me that it is possessed by someone of that sex. So therefore I could speak of my hand or my eye as being a male hand or eye, because I am a man and they belong to me.

The second is to say that the part in question is something which only belongs to a particular sex. So testicles being a male body part, a uterus being a female body part and so on.

Since both men and women have brains, it would seem that to speak of a male or female brain would be to speak of a brain possessed by a man or by a woman. Which isn't unusual, until we start saying that the brain may be of one sex and the rest of the body of the other. What does this mean? I'm not really sure.

And along these lines, could I speak of a man having a female hand, or a woman having a male eye, or similarly with other body parts? If so, what would it mean? If not, how are they distinguished from the case of the brain?

Gender is determined by which reproductive organs you posses. If they think they are otherwise what they really are, it is because of either:

1> God giving them a depraved mind since they rejected Him

2> Satan is messing with said persons mind.

3> Said person is confused

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[mmksparbud]

Now you are unnecessarily getting into the realm of science, which is entirely off subject.

but I'll bite...

Who's to say birth defects are not affected by outside sources?? Take that as you will...

Yes, we ARE imperfect, couldn't agree with you more... but this (apparently) is not about our spiritual state. It's about our bodies. That verse was written after man's imperfection was inhereted...

Mind of a serial killer/schizophrenic are either perverted evil minded or are influenced by other forces.

seperating conjoined twins, I don't think is wrong since you're helping them, and possibly saving there lives.

if a 2 headed baby had consciencness in each head, then it would be murder to take a head off.

Hope I helped!

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

Thought that's what you would say---the 2 headed baby did have the other head removed--or they would have both died. Both heads had their own personalities. They had to choose which had the greater chance of living. And of course this is about science, too, it's you that is making it into a spiritual matter only which you can not do when talking about medical issues which have nothing to do with sin. Anymore than removing a tumor is a sin.

 

[BrokenWarrior]

Yes

They consist of
(a) a claim that God agrees with you
(b) some bible verses that are talking about something else entirely

However, unless you stop shouting I shall not be reading any more, including the one this responds to.

I am agreeing with God, not the other way around.

When used in context, they are consistent with other passages in Scripture.

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[mmksparbud]

Gender is determined by which reproductive organs you posses. If they think they are otherwise what they really are, it is because of either:

1> God giving them a depraved mind since they rejected Him

2> Satan is messing with said persons mind.

3> Said person is confused

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

I'd quite if I were you---you are showing just how incredibly without lack of medical knowledge you are.

DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR VISION THAT YOU TYPE WITH ONLY CAPITALS--THAT IS USSUALLY CONSIDERED VERY OFFENSIVE AS IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE SHOUTING---OR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT?----THEN AGAIN, MAYBE YOU DO.

 

[BrokenWarrior]

Thought that's what you would say---the 2 headed baby did have the other head removed--or they would have both died. Both heads had their own personalities. They had to choose which had the greater chance of living. And of course this is about science, too, it's you that is making it into a spiritual matter only which you can not do when talking about medical issues which have nothing to do with sin. Anymore than removing a tumor is a sin.

A tragedy caused by other outside forces. Not God's fault.

This started as a Spiritual discussion.

removing the tumor saved said persons life (Hopefully) not written in Scripture that it is wrong...

God Bless!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[BrokenWarrior]

I'd quite if I were you---you are showing just how incredibly without lack of medical knowledge you are.

DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR VISION THAT YOU TYPE WITH ONLY CAPITALS--THAT IS USSUALLY CONSIDERED VERY OFFENSIVE AS IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE SHOUTING---OR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT?----THEN AGAIN, MAYBE YOU DO.

God isn't restricted to science. Just because something is widely accepted by the world does not make it right.

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[BrokenWarrior]

You did not read what I said--

And there are still 2 genders---it's just that they are correcting a birth defect so their brain and their genitals are the same. If they can afford the surgery, but they start out with hormones first--correcting a birth defect is not a sin. And screaming doesn't make you right.

Gender is determined by which reproductive organs one possess.

God Bless!
-The Current Lowest Servant

 

[ebia]

Gender is determined by which reproductive organs one possess.

So say you

One last time - please stop shouting - reduce your font size.

 

[mmksparbud]

God isn't restricted to science. Just because something is widely accepted by the world does not make it right.

God Be With You!
-The Current Lowest Servant

That's very true--and just because ignorance is bliss doesn't make it right either!

(Joh 9:1) And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

(Joh 9:2) And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

(Joh 9:3) Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.


So now, let's see what works of God are being manifested through all this--I see as a chance for Christians to be understanding, compassionate and further chance for the suffering of others to be healed through the wonderful gift of medicine--one of the disciples was a dr.

AND ARE WE TO ASSUME NOW, THAT YOU ARE NOT VISION IMPAIRED BUT JUST PLAIN RUDE WITH YOUR SHOUTING? IF SO, THEN I WILL UNSUBSCRIBE

 

[mmksparbud]

Gender is determined by which reproductive organs one possess.

God Bless!
-The Current Lowest Servant

And or your information---there are countless babies being born and have been born with both sets of genitals!!!!! Didn't you know? There are many born with neither--just an orifice to pee out of!!--

 

[Inkfingers]

And or your information---there are countless babies being born and have been born with both sets of genitals!!!!! Didn't you know? There are many born with neither--just an orifice to pee out of!!--

And?

There are children born with limbs missing. They are disabled, just as those born with deformed genitals are.

 

[mmksparbud]

And?

There are children born with limbs missing. They are disabled, just as those born with deformed genitals are.

Exactly---and correcting the deformities is not a sin. There are prosthetics, surgeries to correct problems. Sometimes body parts have to be removed.

 

[ebia]

And?

There are children born with limbs missing. They are disabled, just as those born with deformed genitals are.

And so, by extension, someone could be born with the wrong genitals.

IF, on the other hand, you insist (as he did) that genetalia absolutely defines sex then someone born without genetalia is not deformed - rather they are another sex. You can't have your cake and eat it. Unless, of course, it never really was a coherent position, just a collection of ad-hoc assertions to suit.

 

[Inkfingers]

And so, by extension, someone could be born with the wrong genitals.

IF, on the other hand, you insist (as he did) that genetalia absolutely defines sex then someone born without genetalia is not deformed - rather they are another sex.

If the genitals do not work the person is actually de-sexed, not "another sex".

The Sexes are the two roles in sexual reproduction; one provides the sperm, the other provides the egg. It would help if the flat-earthers stop denying science.

 

[Rhamiel]

Exactly---and correcting the deformities is not a sin. There are prosthetics, surgeries to correct problems. Sometimes body parts have to be removed.

that is correct

but we are not talking about correcting deformities
we are talking about people mutilating healthy organs because they are mentally confused about what gender they really are

correcting deformities is not a sin
mutilating a healthy body is a sin