Reformation Day

[Fantine]

Apparently this is Reformation Day, according to a FB friend. And, since she is a librarian, she posted a great article about the history of the Reformation from the Catholic Education Resource Center. I learned a lot and found it really interesting.

Whos Who in the Reformation

 

[Sword of the Lord]

That's always one of my favorite LCMS services. Yesterday Pastor had a good children's message. In short, Luther was in law school, and one day as he was walking home, a lightning storm appeared and knocked him on his rear end. He promised God that if he would just spare his life he would drop out of law school and become a monk. Well, he lived, and he could have gone on as a lawyer, as his father urged, but he trusted God, and God was who he would follow all of his life.

 

[Mary's Bhoy]

"Reformation Day" is officially October 31st, I believe. A good day to offer reparation for the abominable schism.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
Mary's Bhoy.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

"Reformation Day" is officially October 31st, I believe. A good day to offer reparation for the abominable schism. Yours in Jesus and Mary, Mary's Bhoy.

Reformation "Sunday" was yesterday, though.

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[Targaryen]

Meh, I'll focus my attention on All Saints day.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Meh, I'll focus my attention on All Saints day.

I love fall and winter. It's festive enough for the secular world; how much more so it is for us.

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[Targaryen]

You missed the point. Oct.31 is technically All Saints and Souls day in the church calendar. I'd rather focus on that then the Reformation.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

You missed the point. Oct.31 is technically All Saints and Souls day in the church calendar. I'd rather focus on that then the Reformation.

If my birthday was on Christmas, you better believe I'd celebrate both.

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[FlaviusAetius]

If I recall correctly, isn't this holiday a rather dividing one? Where Protestant countries parade in celebration of breaking free from the evil corrupt "Papists" and all the more derogatory names for Catholics? Kinda like how Nov. 5 the British burn effigies of the Pope and Guy Fawkes?

 

[Sword of the Lord]

If I recall correctly, isn't this holiday a rather dividing one? Where Protestant countries parade in celebration of breaking free from the evil corrupt "Papists" and all the more derogatory names for Catholics? Kinda like how Nov. 5 the British burn effigies of the Pope and Guy Fawkes?

Without risking breaking the rules, I will only say yes. It's seen in a different light through a different lens, of course.

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[FlaviusAetius]

Ok, if you'd like to add anything in a PM I'd be fine with that. I remember reading an article about Reformation day relating to Catholic ecumenism. (something along the lines of using the day to find similarities between Lutherans and Catholics instead of divisions) but common sense tells me how the holiday typically would play out.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Ok, if you'd like to add anything in a PM I'd be fine with that. I remember reading an article about Reformation day relating to Catholic ecumenism. (something along the lines of using the day to find similarities between Lutherans and Catholics instead of divisions) but common sense tells me how the holiday typically would play out.

It might sound surprising to you, but for the LCMS we celebrate what we believe to be a return to the Church; to us we are simply waiting for you to do the same. Of course, for us, that involves breaking away from the tyranny, as it is called, of the Pope. For us it is not an anti-Catholic bash-fest. It's a celebration of the return to Christ and the Gospel. That does sound terrible through your lens, I submit. The town we go to church in only has 2 churches: Catholic and LCMS. The churches work closely together in all things but worship. They hold community services at one church for one event, and at the other church for another event. Our pianist is also the pianist at the Catholic Church across the street. Our worship times are set up in such a way that it allows for flexibility. Many of us have both LCMS and RCC family members. My wife and children and I worship in the morning at the LCMS church, and then we accompany her RC mother to the RCC since it starts an hour later. I think you would be surprised at how little anti-Catholic the LCMS is anymore. Under Benedict, Catholic and Lutheran relations improved greatly; there's more talk of a reunion with them that there is us coming into fellowship with WELS!

 

[ahs]

I see "reformation day" as a celbration of division and deformation as well, but as Athelstan points out, many prots see it as a return to the Church. And where they might see "tyranny of the Pope", we see "uniting ourselves to Christ's Church and His Vicar, whom He appointed". At any rate, the LCMS does have much in common with the Catholic Church, separated only by symantics on some points. I do pray for reunification in the Body of Christ, and I think it would only be natural for Lutherans to be among the first to come back home.

 

[Rhamiel]

man, watching an Anglican and a Lutheran argue about the Reformation in OBOB is borderline surreal
I feel like I should just get some popcorn and enjoy the show

lol just teasing you guys
both Athelstan and LAC have added a lot to this forum, I was just giving some good natured ribbing

 

[Tallguy88]

The 500 year anniversary of the Reformation is coming soon. Hopefully we'll see a big push for reconciliation leading up to it.

 

[Rhamiel]

It might sound surprising to you, but for the LCMS we celebrate what we believe to be a return to the Church

not surprising at all
I would imagine that is how most Protestants would see it.

 

[Rhamiel]

The 500 year anniversary of the Reformation is coming soon. Hopefully we'll see a big push for reconciliation leading up to it.

if you look at the history of heresy, most of the big heresies seem to loose steam after 500 years
Gnosticism
Arianism

Islam did not, I think that is partly because they created a state to reinforce the religion, and a religion that reinforces the state, kind of like an echo-chamber

we can already see most of the mainline denominations starting to crumble

 

[Sword of the Lord]

at any rate, the LCMS does have much in common with the Catholic Church, separated only by symantics on some points.

It's those little things that kept me up night after night, my mind constantly racing, constantly thinking. Ultimately I had to return to my own home, and now I feel at peace.

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[Fantine]

The person who posted this on FB has Lutheran family members. Nothing was mentioned about "celebrating" Reformation Day. The article was posted. It was written for a Catholic educational site to help Catholics understand the reformation in context.

The weaknesses of the reformers are discussed as well as the weaknesses of some of the Popes (including a Medici Pope and a Pope who had fathered four illegitimate children.) The Pope who had fathered four illegitimate children had, thankfully, repented, and began the Council of Trent.

The Council of Trent reformed the Church, although I personally think Vatican II was long overdue when it was convened.

It helped me to understand the reformation and to see the good the Council of Trent did in its time.

 

[Rhamiel]

The Council of Trent reformed the Church, although I personally think Vatican II was long overdue when it was convened.

a lot of historians would agree with you about Vatican II
with both the Franco-Prussian War and the War of Unification of Italy the First Vatican Council was never really able to finish

so if secular concerns did not force Vatican I to end, we might have had the reforms of Vatican II back in the 1870's