If there was a straight pill would homosexuals take it?

[EnemyPartyII]

Yeah, funny how a homosexual changes to a bisexual once they have sex with someone of the opposite sex. I'm sure at least one of the people I'm talking about would tell you that they certainly aren't bi.
But you keep saying what you got to say.

There are also a great many people who self identify as homosexuals who, for whatever reason, have had heterosexual sex. No one is denying this either. However, out of any sample population, you will find most people self identify as heterosexual, about 20-30% will identify as bisexual, and about 5-10% will identify as homosexual.

Its what one considers one's self to be that determines orientation, not sexual activity. (e.g. a virgin can be hetero, homo, or bi sexual)

Also probably worth noting here that there are a great many people who self identify as heterosexual who, for one reason or another, have had homosexual sex. They don't magically become bisexual either.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The difference is, I'm not trying to say, it's a major defect and it should be stopped at all cost because people are suffering from it.
Not that I think Down Syndrome babies should be aborted either.

And thats what it looks like you're trying to make it look like so you can make some kind of perverse point that I'm a baby killer or something because I'm making a case against homosexuality.

Which makes you look as if you're so sensitive about the subject that you're willing to go to the extreme and say anything you think is necessary to say.

Well, it would seem if there is somehow such a thing as an 'evolutionary error' the thing to do is correct them. But the whole idea of straight pills is right out of Dr. Karl Mengele, so I'm just looking at it with its logical conclusion.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Well, it would seem if there is somehow such a thing as an 'evolutionary error' the thing to do is correct them. But the whole idea of straight pills is right out of Dr. Karl Mengele, so I'm just looking at it with its logical conclusion.

Lynn, do you think you would have chosen to take this pill at age 19?

Inviolable, what do you think might be the significance of being able to persuade adolescents and post-adolescents to take a pill that more mature adults think is Mengelesque?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well, it would seem if there is somehow such a thing as an 'evolutionary error' the thing to do is correct them. But the whole idea of straight pills is right out of Dr. Karl Mengele, so I'm just looking at it with its logical conclusion.

I disagree... the hypothetical pill is far more Pavlovian than Mengele-esque.

 

[Bamboo_Chicken]

No, I would not take the pill if it existed. Taking that pill would mean losing the person I love because other people I've never met don't agree with our relationship. The OP said that he feels homosexuals are trying to force heterosexuals to become homosexual and this makes him uneasy...how would this de-gay-ifying pill be any better? It's only wrong when the change is meant to be from straight to gay?

You also mentioned that homosexuality was a result of a problem with the womb...would that then mean that, if I'm a lesiban, my younger brother and sister must also be homosexual? (I'm reasonably positive they're not ) Or, if that isn't close enough, what of twins that result from the same embryo? Countless studies have been done to try to determine what causes a person to become homosexual through the study of identical twins when one twin is heterosexual and one homosexual, but so far the cause still hasn't been found.

Heck I have a lesbian friend who is open and stayed in a sexual relationship with a guy for over a year.

While I have yet to hear from a hetero that they have every had sex with a homosexual. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it would seem to be a rarity. Even some of the straight, pro gay posters in this thread wont admit to ever having homosexual sex.

So the guy your friend slept with was homo- or heterosexual? If he was heterosexual, you now know someone who has slept with a homosexual for over a year. Or was your point that you don't know a heterosexual who has slept with a homosexual of the same sex? I would think that was less common, however I'd like to offer a suggestion as to why some homosexuals try heterosexual relationships...

Homosexuality is, as has already been stated, less accepted in the wider community that heterosexuality. You'd probably find that many who can now comfortably call themselves homosexual struggled to do so to begin with because of the stigma and hate that is attached to the label. To many, homosexuals are paedophiles, rapists or 'horny' men and women who only want sex. To many, homosexuals are people who should be attacked simply because of their orientation. To many, we are sub-human. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some try to avoid sticking themselves with a label that might attract such attention. Everyone goes through periods of self-questioning, doubting and searching. Some sleep with people of the same sex, some with people of the opposite sex, some travel the world, some get pets, some volunteer for charities..we all spent time figuring out who we are. It's never quite so clear cut as 'he slept with her so he must be straight'.

 

[Inviolable]

Lynn, do you think you would have chosen to take this pill at age 19?

Inviolable, what do you think might be the significance of being able to persuade adolescents and post-adolescents to take a pill that more mature adults think is Mengelesque?

It's not easy to define it. People want different things out of life, so I cant say the pill would give a person taking it a better life.

But I think it would certainly make it easier for someone taking the pill to have a family of their own. Of course homosexuals can always adopt but adoption isn't always the answer. I'm not saying I'm against adoption or artificial insemination. I do think that a child created by two people can be more easily loved when the two people are together.

But there are other things as well. If we come to such an understanding that we can prescribe a pill for homosexuality, a lot of the negative responses from people would go away. Not because there is a way to make someone straight but because we would have a much more heightened understanding of it.

I think the biggest problem homosexuality is facing is it's feared and I dont think it's homophobia, it's fear of the person being uncaring of how they may make other people feel. I know that kind of sounds like homophobia but it's not entirely.
It's kind of akin to dodging a homeless man on the street who's talking to himself.
You're not going to want to approach the guy masturbating in McDonalds.
Along those lines of emotional ignorance. People avoid what they cant understand.

 

[Inviolable]

No, I would not take the pill if it existed. Taking that pill would mean losing the person I love because other people I've never met don't agree with our relationship. The OP said that he feels homosexuals are trying to force heterosexuals to become homosexual and this makes him uneasy...how would this de-gay-ifying pill be any better? It's only wrong when the change is meant to be from straight to gay?

I left a link to an article discussing the research you're talking about.
There is always a chance that a second or third child could be homosexual. But it's just a chance. Doesn't mean that if the womb is defective all children coming from it will be homosexual or that they must be.

As I said, there are other ways of being left handed as well. Same could very possibly apply to homosexuality.

So the guy your friend slept with was homo- or heterosexual? If he was heterosexual, you now know someone who has slept with a homosexual for over a year. Or was your point that you don't know a heterosexual who has slept with a homosexual of the same sex? I would think that was less common, however I'd like to offer a suggestion as to why some homosexuals try heterosexual relationships...

I met him a few times, I never asked to be honest.
I think they just enjoyed the sex.
But that is funny.

Homosexuality is, as has already been stated, less accepted in the wider community that heterosexuality. You'd probably find that many who can now comfortably call themselves homosexual struggled to do so to begin with because of the stigma and hate that is attached to the label. To many, homosexuals are paedophiles, rapists or 'horny' men and women who only want sex. To many, homosexuals are people who should be attacked simply because of their orientation. To many, we are sub-human. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some try to avoid sticking themselves with a label that might attract such attention. Everyone goes through periods of self-questioning, doubting and searching. Some sleep with people of the same sex, some with people of the opposite sex, some travel the world, some get pets, some volunteer for charities..we all spent time figuring out who we are. It's never quite so clear cut as 'he slept with her so he must be straight'.

Well she is a friend of the family, my mom was a lesbian and she was a friend of my mothers. I've known her for a long time and she never seemed to be afraid of being who she was.

I cant really argue the rest with you. You could be right, Susan Cochran certainly agrees with you.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

But there are other things as well. If we come to such an understanding that we can prescribe a pill for homosexuality, a lot of the negative responses from people would go away. Not because there is a way to make someone straight but because we would have a much more heightened understanding of it.

Thats an... interesting... take on it. However, I suspect that were such a pill to exist, there would be a great many people demanding that homosexual people be forced to take it, and that victimisation of homosexuals would increase. The bigots would have the perfect excuse... "hey, if you don't like having your queer face smashed by my metal toed boots, you should just take the pill" or "its YOUR choice not to take the pill, so its not my fault that I'm beating you with a piece of rebar and chaining you to a fence to die of exposure"

I think the biggest problem homosexuality is facing is it's feared and I dont think it's homophobia, it's fear of the person being uncaring of how they may make other people feel. I know that kind of sounds like homophobia but it's not entirely.
It's kind of akin to dodging a homeless man on the street who's talking to himself.
You're not going to want to approach the guy masturbating in McDonalds.
Along those lines of emotional ignorance. People avoid what they cant understand.

You are getting closer...

So, maybe, rather than trying to come up with a pill to "cure" homosexuals, the best way to fix the problem you so correctly identify; "Along those lines of emotional ignorance. People avoid what they cant understand. ", would be to simply try to increase the general understanding that homosexuals are just normal people too?

 

[Inviolable]

Thats an... interesting... take on it. However, I suspect that were such a pill to exist, there would be a great many people demanding that homosexual people be forced to take it, and that victimisation of homosexuals would increase. The bigots would have the perfect excuse... "hey, if you don't like having your queer face smashed by my metal toed boots, you should just take the pill" or "its YOUR choice not to take the pill, so its not my fault that I'm beating you with a piece of rebar and chaining you to a fence to die of exposure"

You could be right. I dont think it would be as bad as you think, maybe at first. But it certainly wouldn't stay that way.
I was a child in the 70's and I remember how ignorant people acted to the disabled. But as awareness grew so did respect for people with disabilities.
People are more accepting now of medical breakthroughs then they use to be.

So, maybe, rather than trying to come up with a pill to "cure" homosexuals, the best way to fix the problem you so correctly identify; "Along those lines of emotional ignorance. People avoid what they cant understand. ", would be to simply try to increase the general understanding that homosexuals are just normal people too?

It would have to be a two way street.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You could be right. I dont think it would be as bad as you think, maybe at first. But it certainly wouldn't stay that way.
I was a child in the 70's and I remember how ignorant people acted to the disabled. But as awareness grew so did respect for people with disabilities.
People are more accepting now of medical breakthroughs then they use to be.

If disabled people could somehow be magically cured, and chose to stay disabled for their own reasons... do you think people would still be as accepting and gracious towards them? Because I imagine people demanding that wheel chair ramps be taken down and guide dogs poisoned, since "the crumbles chose to be that way, why should we help them?" Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I can see a lot of blaming the victim happening.

It would have to be a two way street.

What is the converse street to understanding and accepting that homosexuals are just regular, ordinary people? You think homosexuals don't regard heterosexuals as regular, ordinary people?

 

[Inviolable]

If disabled people could somehow be magically cured, and chose to stay disabled for their own reasons... do you think people would still be as accepting and gracious towards them? Because I imagine people demanding that wheel chair ramps be taken down and guide dogs poisoned, since "the crumbles chose to be that way, why should we help them?" Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I can see a lot of blaming the victim happening.

Wow, that is pretty cynical.

What is the converse street to understanding and accepting that homosexuals are just regular, ordinary people? You think homosexuals don't regard heterosexuals as regular, ordinary people?

I dont know, do they?

That wasn't the point, the point was kind of more like your cynical thing.
It's not about being seen as ordinary every day people. It's about understanding each other. Which I dont see you even remotely trying, so maybe you're right. The pill would be forced on people.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

What, specifically, do you think I'm not understanding, or even trying to understand?

 

[Inviolable]

What, specifically, do you think I'm not understanding, or even trying to understand?

From what I understand, you think peoples non-acceptance of homosexuality is based entirely on prejudice and that they need to get over that prejudice before we can move on.

You dont seem to want to consider any other options.

If peoples non-acceptance of homosexuality was based on something other then prejudice. It wouldn't ever be resolved because you wouldn't or couldn't allow yourself to look past the prejudice and there for wouldn't be able to see the true problem.

Which is in understanding each other. But no one is going to want to understand homosexuality if they feel they're being forced to be accepting of it.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

From what I understand, you think peoples non-acceptance of homosexuality is based entirely on prejudice and that they need to get over that prejudice before we can move on.

Pretty much

You dont seem to want to consider any other options.

I'm happy to consider other options.

For example?

 

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[Texas Lynn]

Lynn, do you think you would have chosen to take this pill at age 19?

Everyone does stupid things at 19, but I don't think I would have been that stupid. At least I hope not.

 

[Texas Lynn]

From what I understand, you think peoples non-acceptance of homosexuality is based entirely on prejudice and that they need to get over that prejudice before we can move on.

This was directed to EP II but I have to think that's a fairly neat summary of my position given that prejudice is fueled by ignorance and ignorance is fueled by prejudice. I think it basically summarizes the reality of the situation that there is oppression of a particular group and the cause of that oppression is due to another group's uninformed opinion that the oppressed folks are not as good as they are.

 

[Crazy Liz]

From what I understand, you think peoples non-acceptance of homosexuality is based entirely on prejudice and that they need to get over that prejudice before we can move on.

You dont seem to want to consider any other options.

If peoples non-acceptance of homosexuality was based on something other then prejudice. It wouldn't ever be resolved because you wouldn't or couldn't allow yourself to look past the prejudice and there for wouldn't be able to see the true problem.

Which is in understanding each other. But no one is going to want to understand homosexuality if they feel they're being forced to be accepting of it.

I'm curious how your feelings about this differ from what's shown here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuoixO4GVE

 

[pgp_protector]

I'm curious how your feelings about this differ from what's shown here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuoixO4GVE

LOL Love it

 

[Inviolable]

I'm curious how your feelings about this differ from what's shown here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAuoixO4GVE

You know so far, on a personal level I'd say I've been a lot less insulting as the homosexuals and pro gay people posting in this thread.
The homosexuals have shown the same amount of ignorance as any hetero I've seen, if not more.
Letting their personal bias pose a threat to the moral standards they're claiming to uphold.

It's different in that I don't care who has sex and how they have it.

Let me ask you something. Would you have sex with another woman?

I'm guessing you wont answer, you'll completely talk around answering the question dodging it any way you can.
And if by some chance you do answer the question and the answer is no.

Why wouldn't you?