Are you telling me that Job had to suffer because Abraham had a fling with the servant girl?
That would actually be the exact opposite of what the story is telling you.
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Are you telling me that Job had to suffer because Abraham had a fling with the servant girl?
Are you telling me that Job had to suffer because Abraham had a fling with the servant girl?
You are right. It is based on flesh vs spirit. But you have confused the sons of Esau as the sons of Israel?
Not so
As it is Jacob that GOD called and renamed "Istael" continuing to show that it is based on GOD's call alone
And Esau has no share with Jacob/Israel nor is he counted in the 12 tribes of Israel.
In fact Jacob, setting out to reconcile with his brother Esau noted that Esau did not even acknowledge GOD. So instead of joining Esau (Or even giving any of his flock to Esau) Jacob told Esau to "run along ahead and he would catch up with him" and instead actually separated his flocks from his brothers and did not join him but went a separate way
You ask why?
Read the story again and you will find that Esau was enamored by the many riches that Jacob also had and wanted to know where he had gotten all these things
Already showing Jacob that Esau had no awareness of GOD and did not acknowledge HIM as the giver of all these little meaningless things that apart from GOD are nothing
You are right. It is based on flesh vs spirit. But you have confused the sons of Esau as the sons of Israel?
Not so
As it is Jacob that GOD called and renamed "Istael" continuing to show that it is based on GOD's call alone
And Esau has no share with Jacob/Israel nor is he counted in the 12 tribes of Israel.
In fact Jacob, setting out to reconcile with his brother Esau noted that Esau did not even acknowledge GOD. So instead of joining Esau (Or even giving any of his flock to Esau) Jacob told Esau to "run along ahead and he would catch up with him" and instead actually separated his flocks from his brothers and did not join him but went a separate way
You ask why?
Read the story again and you will find that Esau was enamored by the many riches that Jacob also had and wanted to know where he had gotten all these things
Already showing Jacob that Esau had no awareness of GOD and did not acknowledge HIM as the giver of all these little meaningless things that apart from GOD are nothing
You are right. It is based on flesh vs spirit. But you have confused the sons of Esau as the sons of Israel?
Not so
As it is Jacob that GOD called and renamed "Istael" continuing to show that it is based on GOD's call alone
And Esau has no share with Jacob/Israel nor is he counted in the 12 tribes of Israel.
In fact Jacob, setting out to reconcile with his brother Esau noted that Esau did not even acknowledge GOD. So instead of joining Esau (Or even giving any of his flock to Esau) Jacob told Esau to "run along ahead and he would catch up with him" and instead actually separated his flocks from his brothers and did not join him but went a separate way
You ask why?
Read the story again and you will find that Esau was enamored by the many riches that Jacob also had and wanted to know where he had gotten all these things
Already showing Jacob that Esau had no awareness of GOD and did not acknowledge HIM as the giver of all these little meaningless things that apart from GOD are nothing
Sir?
When John testified that no man came down from heaven but the ONE who is in heaven, even the Son of Man, John was never talking about us
So the two nations in Rebecca's womb even before she brought forth Jacob and Esau and even before Esau had done anything were really one nation?
Was Esau's works and GOD's declaration of Esau before or after Esau was brought forth into the world and had done anything?
Was Esau's name originally in the book of life but erased afterwards?
The Word of GOD does not say and mean what is written?
We need you to interpret for us what GOD really said and meant?
Did HE really say that if obedience has been learned there is no more need for suffering?No, I am saying that Both Ishmael and Esau were the result of women meddling in the affairs of God. There is a reason at the fall God said that man should rule over women, that the Apostles preached the the head of women is the man.
Suffering is brought on by disobedience. GOD once said if obedience has been learned, there is no need for suffering. The Muslims problem is directly related to the actions taken by Rebecca and Sarah. The mouth of hell was enlarged.(Torments)
The story of Job is clear enough for those who listen. Job had fears. The higher teachings in the NT say that man is not made perfect in love as long as he has fears. Men who die with fears cannot live with the Father in his kingdom which is perfect in love. Even if that man is called Righteous by GOD without Charity (Perfection in Love) he is nothing. Also if a man had knowledge of all mysteries without Charity he is nothing, also if he had all faith, without Charity he is nothing. P/s Charity means pure love of GOD.
Jesus commanded Be ye therefore perfect [in love] as my Father in heaven is perfect. The kingdom is perfection in love and only those who do not waste their time in this world can live there. The reason that the fullness of the glory of GOD would utterly vanish anything that is guilty, fearful and unclean before it.
Mercy and Grace cannot change the nature or abolish justice. We must be partaker of the divine nature (NT) in this world. That is how it works. Then Mercy and Grace will allow us to live with the Father. Those who fail to reach this kingdom then they may go to the kingdoms administered by Jesus, and those who fail to enter into the kingdoms administered by Jesus may to those kingdom administered by the Holy Ghost and those who fail to make even those kingdoms there remain for them a kingdom with no light called the Outer Darkness, taught by Jesus, Enoch and Jude.
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Oh I know that just as I understood that the firstborn who opened the matrix was set apart and consecrated to GODNo,I have not confused Esau as the sons of Jacob, Esau is the elder brother of Jacob. Jacob is his name before He received his new Name, Israel. Jacob supplanted Esau with the birthright and the blessing. Now does that say I do not know these guys. Now that I am here I feel that I should add some more. In the days before the flood the birthright when hand in hand with the priesthood and the blessings and it went to eldest boy in the line.
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Oh I most certainly do understand the birthright and the blessing. Just as I understand that there really is only ONE SPIRITUAL HEAD over the house and that both the older and the younger generational sons of THE KINGDOM are called to look to and serve HiM and HIM aloneYou do not understand how important the Birthright and the blessing was. The priesthood went along with it. Esau was a hunter, he made his living as a hunter, he did not care for farming, or raising stocks. He was a wild man. In the sense a man of the wilderness. I have said that behind every story lies a Spiritual reason .....Birthright and blessing were most important in the eyes of Esau, Jacob and Rebeca. Righteousness is required to receive them. That is why Rebeca plans worked. They were in accordance to the will of God.
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Thank GOD that no one has.They were brothers, having the same father and mother so they were one nation in the flesh, since having the same mother and father. But they were two nations spiritually. They were separated, by the birthright and the blessing. Their destiny were on different path.
It is the will of God that every head of his family be worthy enough to become prophets and blessing givers for their family. I will bet no one taught you this until now. In the old days in my family the head of the family gave their blessing to all the children. This was done on New Year. It was done to each according to their faith. This tradition came from those days. Though much of the meaning became lost over time.
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