The Pro Palestinian protests and news thread

[hislegacy]

MSN

Anti-Israel rally at JFK Airport causes New Year’s Day nightmare on one of the busiest travel days of the year​

 

[hislegacy]

Pro-Hamas Mob Blocks Entrances to Chicago's O'Hare Airport - Todd Starnes

JUST IN: Pro-Hamas mob blocking entrances to Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport – no doubt stranding thousands of Christmas travelers. Police […]

www.toddstarnes.com

Pro-Hamas mob blocks Chicago highway to O’Hare airport ahead of Christmas Eve​

 

[essentialsaltes]

Pro-Hamas mob blocks Chicago highway to O’Hare airport ahead of Christmas Eve

What evidence does Todd Starnes have that it was 'Pro-Hamas'?

The tweet he posts calls it 'Pro-Palestinian', as do actual news outlets.

No arrests were made in a pro-Palestinian protest on December 23 led to a traffic standstill near O'Hare International Airport, causing disruptions during one of the busiest travel weekends.

 

[hislegacy]

What evidence does Todd Starnes have that it was 'Pro-Hamas'?

The tweet he posts calls it 'Pro-Palestinian', as do actual news outlets.

No arrests were made in a pro-Palestinian protest on December 23 led to a traffic standstill near O'Hare International Airport, causing disruptions during one of the busiest travel weekends.

That you would have to ask Todd Starnes -I only quoted the report.

 

[stevevw]

There are no more Israelites. That culture ended about 2500 years ago.

If you mean the Babylonians then no they did not end the Isrealites. Even the Babylonias acknowledge that the Isrealite Kingdom still existed. They even hosted KIng Jeconiah whose decendents maintained the line and Kingdom right through to Jesus.

The culture did not end 2,500 years ago and this is one of those mistruths pushed by ideologues who know nothing of the history. First not all the Jews were exiled and many still maintain the connection with the land. Second it lasted for 70 years among 3,500 years of connection to the land, third the Jews returned to reclaim the land and Kingdom.

Forth the Palestinians who want to claim the land have not only never occupied the land until recently as a nation but were never a nation as indigenous people to make claims to the land. Fifth Isreal was made an official state over the land in 1948 which the Palestinians don't recognise.

Who is or is not indigenous to the land does not change the fact that under international law the State of Israel is occupying territory outside their legal borders and have taken measures to integrate it into their state in violation of international law.

What territory.

Like most conversations with you, this is getting muddled and your respondents end up trying to argue positions they never started with. My argument with you is not about who has the more legitimate ancient claim, it is about the solution you are coming to. (And your failure to recognize basic facts under international laws, like occupation.)

Or you cannot handle the facts and the same logic applied to your arguements. When people have nothing to say they usually begin to attack the person and not the actual facts. The positions I am talking about are directly related. Its knowing those related facts which we can understand what is really going on and not misinformation. The problem is when people try to restrict things to a narrow view.

The Biggest Lie in the Palestine vs. Israel Debate | With PM-Elect Benjamin Netanyahu

They're LYING About THE LAND?? (w/ Robert Spencer)

 

[JosephZ]

Cease-fire protest halts California legislative session

Hundreds of cease-fire activists on Wednesday interrupted California lawmakers’ return to the Capitol, forcing the state Assembly to adjourn for the afternoon.

The protesters filled the chamber’s gallery and began chanting and singing “cease-fire now” soon after the Assembly gaveled open its first floor session of the year. They demanded lawmakers call for an end to the Israel-Hamas conflict that has killed thousands of civilians.

It’s the third time in recent months that cease-fire demonstrators have disrupted a major political event in California, highlighting a widening rift between progressive activists and more mainstream Democrats over the conflict.

Assembly leaders initially tried to quell the outburst but quickly recessed and walked off the floor. The protesters hung large black and red posters from the gallery overlooking the area where lawmakers sit, and at least 100 protesters also filled the Capitol rotunda outside the chambers.

 

[stevevw]

Cease-fire protest halts California legislative session

Hundreds of cease-fire activists on Wednesday interrupted California lawmakers’ return to the Capitol, forcing the state Assembly to adjourn for the afternoon.

The protesters filled the chamber’s gallery and began chanting and singing “cease-fire now” soon after the Assembly gaveled open its first floor session of the year. They demanded lawmakers call for an end to the Israel-Hamas conflict that has killed thousands of civilians.

It’s the third time in recent months that cease-fire demonstrators have disrupted a major political event in California, highlighting a widening rift between progressive activists and more mainstream Democrats over the conflict.

Assembly leaders initially tried to quell the outburst but quickly recessed and walked off the floor. The protesters hung large black and red posters from the gallery overlooking the area where lawmakers sit, and at least 100 protesters also filled the Capitol rotunda outside the chambers.

Whats ironic is that none of these same protestors are flooding the Capital when it comes to Muslim wars where Muslims are killing Muslims. Tens of thousands of Muslims have been killed by other Muslims. In the case of the current civil war in Syria estimates say over half a million killed including around 30,000 children and has displaced around 20 million people. This impacts the world and creates a refugee crisis let along denying millions of Muslims their rights.

But strangly enough all these conflicts don't seem to matter that much when it comes to the Jews. Is there a bit of latent anti-semitism going on with some Western Wokist. .

 

[JosephZ]

Whats ironic is that none of these same protestors are flooding the Capital when it comes to Muslim wars where Muslims are killing Muslims. Tens of thousands of Muslims have been killed by other Muslims. In the case of the current civil war in Syria estimates say over half a million killed including around 30,000 children and has displaced around 20 million people. This impacts the world and creates a refugee crisis let along denying millions of Muslims their rights.

The US government is providing both diplomatic and military support to Israel and has sent billions of dollars of military aid annually for decades to Israel. That's one of the differences between the conflicts you mentioned and Israel's current war in Gaza. Another is the unprecedented bombing campaign that has resulted in a massive loss of innocent lives and the displacement of so many others in such a short period of time. Many people see it as a moral obligation to publicly oppose these things.

But strangly enough all these conflicts don't seem to matter that much when it comes to the Jews. Is there a bit of latent anti-semitism going on with some Western Wokist. .

The protest mentioned in the article I shared included many Jews.

A large group of protesters, dressed mostly in black and red T-shirts, gathered inside the Capitol shortly after 1 p.m. Wednesday in the first and second floors of the Capitol rotunda and placed a banner on the floor. They are taking part in clapping and chanting.

"As Jews, as elders, as US taxpayers, this is not OK," protester Penny Rosenwasser said. "This is funding genocide."

"Every day that we were on break, people died," protester Meital Yaniv said. "Today is the day that they're back so today is the day we come back to demand a ceasefire."

They claim the Israeli military is committing genocide in Gaza, and want elected officials to stop supporting the Israel-Hamas war, calling attention to the billions of dollars the U.S. sends to support Israel.

The protesters say they are a coalition that includes rabbis and children of Holocaust survivors, Israeli Americans and teachers. The same group protested at Oakland's federal building in mid-November.

Protesters at California State Capitol disrupt Assembly session

The group, which is calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, has disrupted the Assembly's first session to be held in three months.

www.cbsnews.com

A number of Jewish organizations across the state were behind the effort, including Jewish Voice for Peace, If Not Now and the International Jewish anti-Zionist network, spokesperson Liv Kunins-Berkowitz told POLITICO.

 

[stevevw]

The US government is providing both diplomatic and military support to Israel and has sent billions of dollars of military aid annually for decades to Israel. That's one of the differences between the conflicts you mentioned and Israel's current war in Gaza. Another is the unpresidented bombing campaign that has resulted in a massive loss of innocent lives and the displacement of so many others in such a short period of time. Many people see it as a moral obligation to publicly oppose these things.

The US has and still has its fingers in most conflicts in the Middle East. They were involved militarily taking one side over the other and supplying arms in the Syrian, Iranian, Saudi's, Yemen, Turkeys conflicts. Not to mention Iraqi and Afganistan in recent past.

The protest mentioned in the article I shared included many Jews.

I mean against the Jews, people always protesting against the Jews more than any other nation. I think the Jews are going to protest as they are the ones being erased.

A large group of protesters, dressed mostly in black and red T-shirts, gathered inside the Capitol shortly after 1 p.m. Wednesday in the first and second floors of the Capitol rotunda and placed a banner on the floor. They are taking part in clapping and chanting.

"As Jews, as elders, as US taxpayers, this is not OK," protester Penny Rosenwasser said. "This is funding genocide."

"Every day that we were on break, people died," protester Meital Yaniv said. "Today is the day that they're back so today is the day we come back to demand a ceasefire."

They claim the Israeli military is committing genocide in Gaza, and want elected officials to stop supporting the Israel-Hamas war, calling attention to the billions of dollars the U.S. sends to support Israel.

The protesters say they are a coalition that includes rabbis and children of Holocaust survivors, Israeli Americans and teachers. The same group protested at Oakland's federal building in mid-November.

Protesters at California State Capitol disrupt Assembly session

The group, which is calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, has disrupted the Assembly's first session to be held in three months.

www.cbsnews.com

A number of Jewish organizations across the state were behind the effort, including Jewish Voice for Peace, If Not Now and the International Jewish anti-Zionist network, spokesperson Liv Kunins-Berkowitz told POLITICO.

OK is this Jews protesting to stop the war.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

The US has and still has its fingers in most conflicts in the Middle East.

As well as the British, French, Germans, Russians, Chinese...

 

[stevevw]

The US government is providing both diplomatic and military support to Israel and has sent billions of dollars of military aid annually for decades to Israel. That's one of the differences between the conflicts you mentioned and Israel's current war in Gaza. Another is the unprecedented bombing campaign that has resulted in a massive loss of innocent lives and the displacement of so many others in such a short period of time. Many people see it as a moral obligation to publicly oppose these things.

I did not realise that to garner humanitarian support depends on who you are aligned with politically. The reason the US aligns with Isreal is because they both share in the freedoms we have come to know in the West and nations opposing Isreal are a threat to those freedoms.

But it seems Muslims killing Muslims is about radical belief which denies those freedoms and Rights. So of course the US and other Western nations are going to help Isreal when they are being attacked so often.

The difference between Isreals bombing of Hamas targets in Gaza is that Hamas mass murdered and took hostage many Isreali's. It was an act of terro and war on Isreal so Isreal has the right to defend itself. Unfortunately innocent casualties is a fact of war. Isreal has tried its best to minimize innocent lives by forewarning and only aiming at Hamas targets. It has also created safe spaces for locals to escape but it is Hamas who are willing to kill their own people so as to disrupt any attacks on them.

This is unlike radical Muslims who are willing to kill innocents in many wars and conflicts for which no western activists bothers to highlight or worry about. The ideological attacks that focus on the Jews, that hold the Jews to an unrealistic standard that they don't expect others to have is politically motivated by some deep seated belief about Isreal and the WEst being oppressors and deserve to be punished. In other words its a Marxist ideology.

Why are the Jews marching on the Capitol. Because they are protesting against antisemetism that is rising against them. That is a pretty good reason to be knocking on the door of the US government to highlight, the idea that antisemetism which led to mass ethnic cleansing of the Jews is happening again in modern Western societies is a grave concern. Thats opposed to the ideological activism motivated by hate, division and lies which has resulted in the growth of actual calling for genecide as opposed to some imagined genecide by Isreal.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Texas stabbing of Palestinian American meets hate crime standard, police say​

According to an arrest affidavit seen by the Associated Press, Baker rode up to a truck that Doar and three others were in after a pro-Palestinian protest, opened the doors and yelled racial slurs at them. After a fight ensued, Baker pulled out a knife and stabbed Doar in the rib, the AP reported, citing the affidavit. Doar was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries.

After police said the stabbing met the definition of a hate crime, Austin Mayor Kirk Watson issued a statement condemning “the horrible rise in hate-motivated incidents everywhere — including in Austin.”

“We have definitely seen an uptick in threats across the country. It is focused on Jewish people and people from the Muslim community,” Robert J. Contee III, the FBI’s assistant director of partner engagement, told The Post in October.

 

[DaisyDay]

The US has and still has its fingers in most conflicts in the Middle East. They were involved militarily taking one side over the other and supplying arms in the Syrian, Iranian, Saudi's, Yemen, Turkeys conflicts. Not to mention Iraqi and Afganistan in recent past.

How much of the US economy is based on armaments and war?

I mean against the Jews, people always protesting against the Jews more than any other nation. I think the Jews are going to protest as they are the ones being erased.

Jews are not a nation; Israel is. The nation of Israel has people, citizens, who are not Jewish, although not a lot and fewer and fewer every day. It is not the Jews who are being erased in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.

OK is this Jews protesting to stop the war.

Not all Zionists are Jews nor are all Jews Zionists.

Western coverage of Gaza: A textbook case of coloniser’s journalism

Israel’s war on Gaza has exposed the true nature and purpose of Western media.

www.aljazeera.com

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This dehumanising use of language has been most visible in the counting of deaths. In early November, The Times of London noted, “Israelis marked a month since Hamas killed 1,400 people and kidnapped 240, starting a war in which 10,300 Palestinians are said to have died”. In Western news, Israelis die in active voice – Hamas “killed” or “murdered” them – while Palestinians die passively. They “dehydrate to death as clean water runs out” as the Guardian once put it, as if this is not a wilful crime against humanity but a random act of God.​

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According to the propaganda machine of the West, Israel has the right to destroy Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen and any other country in the region to keep Israelis safe. It can kill nearly every Muslim, Jews asking for a ceasefire, UN staff and physicians in Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres, or MSF), journalists, ambulance drivers and even babies in the process of targeting Hamas. Yet few news organisations ever discuss what it means for Israel and the world, if the only way it can feel secure is by raining death and misery on millions of people. ​

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[stevevw]

How much of the US economy is based on armaments and war?


Jews are not a nation; Israel is. The nation of Israel has people, citizens, who are not Jewish, although not a lot and fewer and fewer every day. It is not the Jews who are being erased in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.


Not all Zionists are Jews nor are all Jews Zionists.

Western coverage of Gaza: A textbook case of coloniser’s journalism

Israel’s war on Gaza has exposed the true nature and purpose of Western media.

www.aljazeera.com

​

This dehumanising use of language has been most visible in the counting of deaths. In early November, The Times of London noted, “Israelis marked a month since Hamas killed 1,400 people and kidnapped 240, starting a war in which 10,300 Palestinians are said to have died”. In Western news, Israelis die in active voice – Hamas “killed” or “murdered” them – while Palestinians die passively. They “dehydrate to death as clean water runs out” as the Guardian once put it, as if this is not a wilful crime against humanity but a random act of God.​

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According to the propaganda machine of the West, Israel has the right to destroy Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen and any other country in the region to keep Israelis safe. It can kill nearly every Muslim, Jews asking for a ceasefire, UN staff and physicians in Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres, or MSF), journalists, ambulance drivers and even babies in the process of targeting Hamas. Yet few news organisations ever discuss what it means for Israel and the world, if the only way it can feel secure is by raining death and misery on millions of people. ​

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I say Jews because I think fundementally this is a religious war when it comes to radical Islam. When the Jews were slaughtered by Hitler it wasn't the Isrealis but referred to as the Jews. Whern they were dispersed throughout the world it was about allowing the Jews to return home. When they talk about the land they refer to Jerusalem, the Holy cites like the Temple Mount occupied by the Muslims. It is Jews being singled out and attacked throughout the world at present due to anti-semetism.

Unfortunately war has casualties. I cannot see any other solution. Its unreal to say that a peace deal can be made with Hamas or any other radical group in control. If Isreal stopped the war and allowed the Palestinians to form their own nation this would inevitably lead to radicals regrouping and once again attack Isreal perhaps with even more devastation.

This has been the cycle for many years where Isreal has resisted confronting the terror at their doorstep and now its come to a point where the Isrealis are not willing to allow this to happen anymore.

The west has been subjected to the same radical attacks on its embassies, representatives and even on their own soil for years and it has not got better but worse as time has gone by. The Muslim extremists have been finding new ways to attack the west and Isreal and there is no let up.

So of course after many years of this radical ideology its now coming to a head or basically two ideologies at war. The west has been passive in dealing with this issue though they themselves have gone to war over Muslim radicalism. But what we have not seen is that this same radical ideology has inflicted inhumane acts on their own people for years.

So I don't think after years of radical Islam getting worse, more daring and radical that they are ever going to settle down and allow western style democracy and freedom. Its not just a threat to Isreal but a threat to the worlds democracy and peace.

 

[essentialsaltes]

When the Jews were slaughtered by Hitler it wasn't the Isrealis but referred to as the Jews.

That's because modern Israel didn't exist until after WWII.

The west has been passive in dealing with this issue though they themselves have gone to war over Muslim radicalism.

So apart from the wars, the west has been passive?

 

[rjs330]

How much of the US economy is based on armaments and war?


Jews are not a nation; Israel is. The nation of Israel has people, citizens, who are not Jewish, although not a lot and fewer and fewer every day. It is not the Jews who are being erased in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.


Not all Zionists are Jews nor are all Jews Zionists.

Western coverage of Gaza: A textbook case of coloniser’s journalism

Israel’s war on Gaza has exposed the true nature and purpose of Western media.

www.aljazeera.com

​

This dehumanising use of language has been most visible in the counting of deaths. In early November, The Times of London noted, “Israelis marked a month since Hamas killed 1,400 people and kidnapped 240, starting a war in which 10,300 Palestinians are said to have died”. In Western news, Israelis die in active voice – Hamas “killed” or “murdered” them – while Palestinians die passively. They “dehydrate to death as clean water runs out” as the Guardian once put it, as if this is not a wilful crime against humanity but a random act of God.​

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According to the propaganda machine of the West, Israel has the right to destroy Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen and any other country in the region to keep Israelis safe. It can kill nearly every Muslim, Jews asking for a ceasefire, UN staff and physicians in Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres, or MSF), journalists, ambulance drivers and even babies in the process of targeting Hamas. Yet few news organisations ever discuss what it means for Israel and the world, if the only way it can feel secure is by raining death and misery on millions of people. ​

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Sorry I don't buy the ole we're talking Israel not the Jews schtick. The JEWS have been under attack for ever. Jews in America that aren't even Israeli. Jews all over the world who aren't Israelis.

And the article is nothing but propaganda itself. The article says it's a war. A war in which people died. Israelis died, Palestinians died. But in the case of Israel that was out and out murder upon the Jews.

And if the Palestinians want it to stop they could make it stop.

 

[stevevw]

That's because modern Israel didn't exist until after WWII.

That may be the modern day version of Isreal but Isreal has been around since about 1300 BCE. The name Isreal derives from the name given to Jacob (also known as Isreal) from which the 12 tribes stems from. Isreal was referred to as a nation by the Egyptians around 1250 BCE on the Merneptah Stele. So its been around longer than what modern day definitions have made it.

The Jews have had a connection to the land for over 3,500 years. Abraham, Issac and Jacob are known as the patriarchs of the Israelites. Modernday Israel have the same language and culture which has been shaped by their Jewish heritage and has been passed through generations starting with Abraham around 3,000 years ago. The ground is full of Jewish artifacts. There really isn't any destinction between Isreal and the Jews.

So apart from the wars, the west has been passive?

Well look what the war was suppose to achieve, to get rid of dictators and establish democracy and freedom. They failed miserably on those fronts. They just made matters worse.

But generally yes they have been passive, allowing even radicals to spread their ideology within western nations and now they are having to battle against increasing extremism in their own nations.

In fact not only have more radicalism been imported its actually been allowed to cultivate ironically because some are using our rights to freedoms to propergate radical ideologies and we have not had the courage to stand up to them for fear of offending the so called oppressed.

We have helped create this monster and I reckon that was part of the radicals tactic to unsettle western freedoms which creates ripe ground for extremism to grow. Which it has because now many nations are divided along ideological grounds and becoming violent towards each other for just about any difference.

We see this coming out now with even our Institutions and politics becoming identity based and groups becoming divided, racist, antisemetic and antagonistic towards each other. But the antisemetism seems like the perfect storm of group hatred. Why I don't know. Perhaps because people don't like a down trodden nation to suceed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That may be the modern day version of Isreal but Isreal has been around since about 1300 BCE. The name Isreal derives from the name given to Jacob (also known as Isreal) from which the 12 tribes stems from. Isreal was referred to as a nation by the Egyptians around 1250 BCE on the Merneptah Stele. So its been around longer than what modern day definitions have made it.

If we are to believe the Bible, the Kingdom of Israel ended when the Assyrians conquered them (in 720 BCE) and no nation with that name existed until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1947. This does not mean Jews didn't exist and have an ancestral tie to the land known then or now (and they are not the same exact territory) between the existences of the two "Israel"s.

This is the literal inverse of what many do to deny the Palestinians by claiming there were no such people until 1917 or 1947 with the naming of the mandate or the remainders from the formation of Israel.

Using the proper terminology (and it can be tricky) is important because it keeps us from incorporating things into statements that are neither needed or (usually) intended.

 

[stevevw]

If we are to believe the Bible, the Kingdom of Israel ended when the Assyrians conquered them (in 720 BCE) and no nation with that name existed until the modern State of Israel was founded in 1947. This does not mean Jews didn't exist and have an ancestral tie to the land known then or now (and they are not the same exact territory) between the existences of the two "Israel"s.

The existence of Isreal as a nation in the land may have ceased but the symbolic Isreal still existed. There were many who remained in Isreal or fled to Judah and they still maintain ties with Jerusalem and the Temple and Jewish heritage. Those Jews exciled began to come back when the Assyrians were defeated so there was around a 200 year period where the Jews were disconnected from their land in the context of nearly 3 and a half thousand years.

The 1947 independence was just a recognition of what was already the case that the Jews had a right to the land they occupied. It wasn't the creation of Isreal but the recognition of what had been the case for over 3,000 years. Any other people with that much connection with a land would have had the red carpet rolled out and there would be outcries as to their right to the land. But somehow when it comes to the Isrealites its different.

This is the literal inverse of what many do to deny the Palestinians by claiming there were no such people until 1917 or 1947 with the naming of the mandate or the remainders from the formation of Israel.

No its completely different. There is no history of Palestine as a people and nation like the Isrealis in the land. The Isrealis gave the Palestinians land to setup a state and they completely destroyed it with radicalism.

Using the proper terminology (and it can be tricky) is important because it keeps us from incorporating things into statements that are neither needed or (usually) intended.

I agree so long as the true facts are used and not the political narrative some especially Palestinians claim by saying there is not history of the Jews in the land and its proporganda.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The existence of Isreal as a nation in the land may have ceased but the symbolic Isreal still existed.

Symbolic Israel. Sure, an idea. A concept.

The 1947 independence was just a recognition of what was already the case that the Jews had a right to the land they occupied. It wasn't the creation of Isreal but the recognition of what had been the case for over 3,000 years.

No, it was very much the creation of something more than an idea.