How did Nephilim make a comeback after the flood?

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Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Bible. The first time was in Genesis 6:

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Presumably, they were extinguished in Genesis 7:

23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
Nephilim reappeared in Numbers 13:

33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.
Presumably, they reappeared the second time as they did the first when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
 

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They did not, the flood wiped them out and only left their spirit. Which became demons who possessed people.

There were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The afterward in Genesis 6:4 is referring to when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. the nephilim were on the earth after the sons of God came in to the daughters of men


The spies in Numbers, report of seeing the nephilim was part of the lies they reported back to the Hebrew people.
 
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Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Bible. The first time was in Genesis 6:


Presumably, they were extinguished in Genesis 7:


Nephilim reappeared in Numbers 13:


Presumably, they reappeared the second time as they did the first when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
The only way a physical biological trait exists before the flood and after - is if those who survived that flood (eight people according to Gen 6-9 and 1 Peter 3) carried that same physical trait -- which they did.

All humans prior to the flood were as "Nephilim" (giant size) compared to humans of later generations.

When Moses takes Israel to Canaan the first thing they do is complain about giants.
When Abraham goes to Canaan - he makes no complaints at all about giants because he too was Nephilim as was Noah as were all humans prior to the flood. They all lived for about 900 years before the flood and they were larger than humans are today - they were between 12 and 14 feet tall.
 
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They did not, the flood wiped them out
yep - all the wicked died at the flood.
Noah and his family crossed over and were spared - but they were all Nephilim (giants) as compared to humans of much later generations. THey lived longer and were somewhat taller.
and only left their spirit. Which became demons who possessed people.
No scripture says any such thing.
There were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men
There were Nephilim on the earth in those days (the days before the flood- and ALSO afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men (mixed marriages between Seth's descendants and Cain's descendants).

That text says that the Nephilim were there BEFORE Those mixed marriages.

In fact all pre-flood humans were Nephilim.
The spies in Numbers, report of seeing the nephilim
Caleb and Joshua did not dispute that observation. Rather they claimed that God would enable them to defeat the large people of Canaan
 
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Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Bible.
These two are not related.

Genesis 6:4 talks about “giants” in the land before the flood.
Gen 6:4 There were giantsH5303

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully
or tyrant: - giant. Total KJV occurrences: 3

Giants is translated from two original Hebrew words:
Rephaim and Nephilim. Nephilim, which means “a feller,”
or one who fells a tree because of his unusual strength.

The term implies a “tough,” or a bully, an individual of
great physical might. The pre-Flood Nephilim were giants
in strength but not in tallness of stature.

The description of the Nephilim of pre-Flood matches with
the large-boned, exceptionally muscled Neanderthals.

Neanderthals and humans interbred and produced offspring that
interbred—and regularly. Promiscuous early humans interbred
'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

There were at least three different human forms on Earth,
all having sex with each other.

The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they
were tall men, like Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants,H7497
as the Anakims;H6062

H7497
רָפָה רָפָא
râphâ' râphâh
raw-faw', raw-faw'
From H7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant: - giant,
Rapha, Rephaim (-s). See also H1051. Total KJV occurrences: 21

H6062
עֲנָקִי
‛ănâqı̂y
an-aw-kee'
Patronymic from H6061; an Anakite or descendant of Anak:
- Anakim. Total KJV occurrences: 9
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The Bible talks about a great leader named Tubalcain. He was
the first to work with metal and develop instruments of war
(Genesis 4:22). And in those days violence filled the Earth
(Genesis 6:11, 13).

The Neanderthals were no match for the swords, spears and
arrows of Tubalcain’s armies. Eventually the violence and
degradation became so intense that God decided to destroy
all humans except Noah and 7 others, in a worldwide Flood.

PS. The Angeles [a spirit being] cannot reproduce with woman [a physical being]
 
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Genesis 6:4 talks about “giants” in the land before the flood.

Gen 6:4 There were giantsH5303

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil

The Hebrew word Nephilim means "giants"

Strongs – Hebrew – H5303 – “giants” in KJV Gen 6:4, Num 13:33

Strong's Number H5303 matches the Hebrew נָפִיל (nāp̄îl),
which occurs 3 times in 2 verses in the WLC Hebrew.

Gen 6:4 There were giants H5303 in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Num 13:33

And there we saw the giants, H5303 the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: H5303 and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

The pre-Flood Nephilim were giants
in strength but not in tallness
interesting suggestion.

PS. The Angeles [a spirit being] cannot reproduce with woman [a physical being]
As Jesus said in Matt 22 - Angels do not even form family units with their own species - let alone not doing it with other species of beings.
 
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yep - all the wicked died at the flood.
Noah and his family crossed over and were spared - but they were all Nephilim (giants) as compared to humans of much later generations. THey lived longer and were somewhat taller.

No scripture says any such thing.

There were Nephilim on the earth in those days (the days before the flood- and ALSO afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men (mixed marriages between Seth's descendants and Cain's descendants).

That text says that the Nephilim were there BEFORE Those mixed marriages.

In fact all pre-flood humans were Nephilim.

Caleb and Joshua did not dispute that observation. Rather they claimed that God would enable them to defeat the large people of Canaan

You need to read The Bible better.

Caleb did not dispute this part.
Now they departed and came back to Moses and Aaron and all the congregation of the children of Israel in the Wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh; they brought back word to them and to all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land. Then they told him, and said: “We went to the land where you sent us. It truly flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”
Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses, and said, “Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it.”


The lies about the nephilim came after Caleb quieted the people and said let us go.........

But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. There we saw the nephilim (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Plus nephilim in Genesis 6 means fallen ones and not giants.
 
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The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they
were tall men, like Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants,H7497
as the Anakims;H6062
What does this have to do with my OP here? You should open another thread for whatever point you are trying to make. Please stay focused on the topic if you are able.
 
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What does this have to do with my OP here?
Your first sentence on your thread was
"Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Bible."

So showing two types of the word giants used
in the bible, off limits for thread?
 
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Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Bible. The first time was in Genesis 6:


Presumably, they were extinguished in Genesis 7:


Nephilim reappeared in Numbers 13:


Presumably, they reappeared the second time as they did the first when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
According to the biblical narrative, there is no clear explanation as to how the Nephilim made a comeback after the flood. The Bible does not provide any detailed account of this occurrence. Some interpretations suggest that the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis 6 could have survived the flood and later reproduced, while others believe that the Nephilim in Numbers 13 might refer to a different group of giants or descendants of the original Nephilim, or potentially demonic spirits. However, without further information from the text, it is impossible to provide a definitive answer. The existence and origin of the Nephilim remain a subject of debate among biblical scholars and interpreters.
 
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What does this have to do with my OP here? You should open another thread for whatever point you are trying to make. Please stay focused on the topic if you are able.
My brother, @Semper-Fi was totally on topic. Maybe the Nephilim were different types of giants.
 
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They did not, the flood wiped them out
yep - all the wicked died at the flood.
Noah and his family crossed over and were spared - but they were all Nephilim (giants) as compared to humans of much later generations. THey lived longer and were somewhat taller.
and only left their spirit. Which became demons who possessed people.
No scripture says any such thing.
There were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men
There were Nephilim on the earth in those days (the days before the flood- and ALSO afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men (mixed marriages between Seth's descendants and Cain's descendants).

That text says that the Nephilim were there BEFORE Those mixed marriages.

In fact all pre-flood humans were Nephilim.
The spies in Numbers, report of seeing the nephilim
Caleb and Joshua did not dispute that observation. Rather they claimed that God would enable them to defeat the large people of Canaan


You need to read The Bible better.
nice - I love "reading the Bible better"
Caleb did not dispute this part.
Now they departed and came back to Moses and Aaron and all the congregation of the children of Israel in the Wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh; they brought back word to them and to all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land. Then they told him, and said: “We went to the land where you sent us. It truly flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”
Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses, and said, “Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it.”
Indeed - Caleb did not argue against the idea that the land was very fruitful or that various people dwelt there.

Nor did they dispute

Num 13"
33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”



27 Then they told him, and said: “We went to the land where you sent us. It truly flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. 28 Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. 29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”

30 Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses, and said, “Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it.”

31 But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” 32 And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Notice that while not disputing the size of the problem - Caleb and Joshua focus instead on God's ability.

Num 14:
6 But Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, who were among those who had spied out the land, tore their clothes; 7 and they spoke to all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying: “The land we passed through to spy out is an exceedingly good land. 8 If the Lord delights in us, then He will bring us into this land and give it to us, ‘a land which flows with milk and honey.’ 9 Only do not rebel against the Lord, nor fear the people of the land, for they are our bread; their protection has departed from them, and the Lord is with us. Do not fear them.”

That is VERY DIFFERENT from
"no problems, no threats, no giants, no danger, "
Rather it just focuses on the good part of the report in Num 13 and appeals to God's ability to "bring us into the land and give it to us" rather than a focus on the giant sized problem ahead of them.
The lies about the nephilim came after Caleb quieted the people and said let us go.........

But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants,
That was the lie part - since instead of devouring its inhabitants - their own report admits that in the land they not only thrived - but they were very strong and large.
and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. There we saw the nephilim (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
It is that second part that proves the first part to be a lie.
 
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According to the biblical narrative, there is no clear explanation as to how the Nephilim made a comeback after the flood. The Bible does not provide any detailed account of this occurrence. Some interpretations suggest that the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis 6 could have survived the flood and later reproduced
Indeed they did since biologically the only solution is that Noah and his family were all "large" - they were all Nephilim since Gen 6 informs us that pre-flood man was Nephilim and that they continued to be even after the point of the mixed marriages in Gen 6:1-4

Gen 1-6 shows that not only did they live longer than average humans today - but they were stronger and larger. That was the biology of mankind prior to the flood.

Notice that Abraham does not have any problems at all "with the size" of people in Canaan. It is only 430 years later when Moses comes to Canaan that "size difference" is an issue.
 
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Your first sentence on your thread was
"Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Bible."
Right, this OP is about H5303-Nephilim.

So showing two types of the word giants used
in the bible, off limits for thread?
Good question.

Not all giants were H5303-Nephilim. This post is exclusively about Nephilim, not just any giants.
 
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Indeed they did since biologically the only solution is that Noah and his family were all "large" - they were all Nephilim since Gen 6 informs us that pre-flood man was Nephilim and that they continued to be even after the point of the mixed marriages in Gen 6:1-4

Gen 1-6 shows that not only did they live longer than average humans today - but they were stronger and larger. That was the biology of mankind prior to the flood.

Notice that Abraham does not have any problems at all "with the size" of people in Canaan. It is only 430 years later when Moses comes to Canaan that "size difference" is an issue.
Interesting stuff, but sadly I do not enjoy hermeneutics of OT studies. Just had to put my $0.02 in to say that the Bible did not say much about the Nephilim, as it is not a history or archaeology textbook, but instead, some Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. :)
 
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This post is exclusively about Nephilim, not just any giants. Please focus.
Man, @Semper-Fi 's post was informative to explain which type of giants were discussed in the OT. Good day, and God bless.
 
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yep - all the wicked died at the flood.
Noah and his family crossed over and were spared - but they were all Nephilim (giants) as compared to humans of much later generations. THey lived longer and were somewhat taller.

No scripture says any such thing.

There were Nephilim on the earth in those days (the days before the flood- and ALSO afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men (mixed marriages between Seth's descendants and Cain's descendants).

That text says that the Nephilim were there BEFORE Those mixed marriages.

In fact all pre-flood humans were Nephilim.

Caleb and Joshua did not dispute that observation. Rather they claimed that God would enable them to defeat the large people of Canaan



nice - I love "reading the Bible better"

Indeed - Caleb did not argue against the idea that the land was very fruitful or that various people dwelt there.

Nor did they dispute

Num 13"
33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”



27 Then they told him, and said: “We went to the land where you sent us. It truly flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. 28 Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. 29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”

30 Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses, and said, “Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it.”

31 But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” 32 And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Notice that while not disputing the size of the problem - Caleb and Joshua focus instead on God's ability.

Num 14:
6 But Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, who were among those who had spied out the land, tore their clothes; 7 and they spoke to all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying: “The land we passed through to spy out is an exceedingly good land. 8 If the Lord delights in us, then He will bring us into this land and give it to us, ‘a land which flows with milk and honey.’ 9 Only do not rebel against the Lord, nor fear the people of the land, for they are our bread; their protection has departed from them, and the Lord is with us. Do not fear them.”

That is VERY DIFFERENT from
"no problems, no threats, no giants, no danger, "
Rather it just focuses on the good part of the report in Num 13 and appeals to God's ability to "bring us into the land and give it to us" rather than a focus on the giant sized problem ahead of them.

That was the lie part - since instead of devouring its inhabitants - their own report admits that in the land they not only thrived - but they were very strong and large.

It is that second part that proves the first part to be a lie.
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My last reply to your post.

This should not be so hard to understand, not sure why you are having trouble.

This is who was occupying the land
The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”

This is the bad report given by the 10 spies who lied. Do you understand that is why it is separate from the other report. It is even stated in the verse they gave a bad report. In other words they lied, that is why God killed these 10 men with a plague. For lying against God.

But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Now the men whom Moses sent to spy out the land, who returned and made all the congregation complain against him by bringing a bad report of the land, those very men who brought the evil report about the land, died by the plague before the Lord. But Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephunneh remained alive, of the men who went to spy out the land.


Even when the Hebrews tried to take the land (without God) starting at verse 39 Numbers 14. There is no mention of nephilim, only Amalekites and the Canaanites

And Moses said, “Now why do you transgress the command of the Lord? For this will not succeed. Do not go up, lest you be defeated by your enemies, for the Lord is not among you. For the Amalekites and the Canaanites are there before you, and you shall fall by the sword; because you have turned away from the Lord, the Lord will not be with you.”
But they presumed to go up to the mountaintop. Nevertheless, neither the ark of the covenant of the Lord nor Moses departed from the camp. Then the Amalekites and the Canaanites who dwelt in that mountain came down and attacked them, and drove them back as far as Hormah.



Finally, why when the Hebrews eventually conquered and entered the land, there is no mention of nephilim
 
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But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
Indeed , giants, strong etc.
The lie was that the land "devoured its inhabitants" even though they were giants - and that because of their strength even God could not cause Israel to be victorious.
Now the men whom Moses sent to spy out the land, who returned and made all the congregation complain against him by bringing a bad report of the land, those very men who brought the evil report about the land, died
Evil/bad to claim God could not give them victory.
And a lie in that the land most certainly was helping those in it to because strong and even giant - rather than "devouring them".

Even when the Hebrews tried to take the land (without God) starting at verse 39 Numbers 14. There is no mention of nephilim, only Amalekites and the Canaanites
Nephilim is not a village or a town. It is simply "giant". It does not mean "sons of Nephil" etc. Or "from the city of Nephil" or "from the region of Nephil"

Goliath was from Gath - and was a giant - but still a "Philistine". They were not renaming the descendents to "Nephilim" as if that was a family name.

Joshua 15:8 KJV
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

1 Chronicles 20:8 KJV
These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

Goliath - was a legendary Philistine warrior

a Gittite. Killed by David. 1Chr 20:5 :"Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite", therefore Goliath was a son of "the giant in Gath". 2Sam 21:22 refers to 4 sons born to the giant in Gath, which were slain by David and his 4 servants thus makes (5) sons

A descendant of Rapha in a lineage of giants, he is most famous for his battle with David,

Rapha: Originally the name of one of the Philistines who was of the body "Rephaites" stood in the text. The plural of this word, or at least a plural of this stem, is REPHAIM (which see). (2) Raphah (the King James Version "Rapha"), a descendant of Saul ( 1 Chronicles 8:37 ). See REPHAIAH

The word Rephaim means "terrible ones" and they are described in the Bible as "giants" and "mighty men." The Rephaim (or Rephaites) appear first in a battle with king Chedorlaomer (Genesis 14:5). Chedorlaomer and his allies defeated the Rephaim, along with the Zuzim and Emim peoples. The Rephaim were similar to the Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:20–21). The Rephaim are mentioned again in Exodus when the Israelites were trying to enter the Promised Land.

Deut 2:10,11
Both the Anakim and the Emim are giants and are both regarded as Raphaim.

Numbers 13:33 We also saw the Nephilim there (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” NASB

Number 13:33 - and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.' YLT

ALL other translations use ‘Giants” as the translation for Nephilim in Numbers 13

Amorites were the Canaanites in Gen 15:16
16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
 
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This post is exclusively about Nephilim, not just any giants. Please focus.
Nephilim are the giants of the pre-flood world.

The only way (biologically speaking ) that such a trait transits from pre-flood to post-flood is that Noah and his family were also Nephilim.

This means that ALL the giants AFTER the flood were in a line of biological descent going back to that ONE family - of Noah -- and the only identifier we have for that - is that Moses called those in Noah's day - Nephilim.
 
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