You claim to have evidence that God is loving (se – standard English), but I don't recall you providing any. On the other hand, you have provided evidence that he is not loving (se), namely Matthew 12:31-32.
God the Father is just "God", etc, and God the Spirit had to learn about Love, and Jesus, or God the Son, or God in the flesh, may or may have not learned about Love, but by the time He appears to us He apparently does or is or did, etc...
[**] Though your version of God may merely be clumsy, most versions are selfish and usually re-establishing God's Kingdom is about God's selfish desires, not about removing suffering or death.
See this thread:
To the thread that just disappeared here, can't remember who by, here is/was my reply, etc...?
[***] You missed the point. I have not disputed God's incompetence.
He was not "incompetent", and I never said He was, but you did, and just said it again (and may God forgive you for that, etc) (but I don't know that He is going to, etc)...
I branded his behaviour as hateful.
Your one to talk about "hate", Lol...
But, anyway, sometimes hate is on the other side of the coin of love, etc...
Needing to learn does not imply needing to command killing and violence.
Actually, in a "Gods" case, who is still learning, it apparently does, etc...
[56] He could make it clear which commands come from him and which do not.
Jesus did, and did so very, very clearly, etc...
[57] You are assuming without justification that your analogy is good. That I decide someone to be my wife doesn't make her so.
God the Father decided that we would be the Holy Spirits/Spirit of Christ's bride, etc, and any true relationship with Him/Them, is likened unto that of a man and his wife, etc...
[48'] What evidence can you present to support that claim ?
Jesus became His "minister" for a while at or during a certain point in time, etc...
So you claim, but can you prove that ?
You want me to prove that everybody and all things belong to God, etc...?
Or more specifically, God the Father, etc...?
Or that He is the ultimate source of "all", etc...?
[49] Exactly. Skeptics base their beliefs on evidence. Christians base them on faith and definitions.
I base mine on evidence and logic, etc...
But probably not of any kind you would accept though, etc...
You forgot to answer my question.
God the Father is ultimately responsible for everyone else and everything, etc, and you can feel 100% completely free to go ahead and try to "blame" Him for it on Judgment Day, OK...
Allegedly God wants people to worship him. That is more likely to happen if those people believe he exists. Some people base their beliefs on evidence. Hence, with such evidence those people would be more likely to believe God exists and thus more likely to worship him.
What would or might qualify as "evidence", or "evident enough" for you...?
Because because of creation alone, the Bible says people like you have "no excuse", etc, which means you are just choosing to stubbornly not believe no matter what, etc, and therefore you have already been judged, so good luck on judgement day, etc...
Is God's relation with logic different than that relation of other things ? I am not bound by logic either. I am merely logical. Logic is part of my nature.
How does that work, logic deriving from something ?
What logic would suffice...?
See this thread to start:
Omniscience and God, or God and Omniscience...?
To account for lack of evidence for a fictional being one can adapt the definition of the being such that no evidence for its existence is to be expected. Again, Christianity is definition based, not evidence based.
And what is it you require for a thing to be "evident", etc...?
Because my guess it nothing will ever be good enough or will ever suffice, etc...
Neogaia777 believes in an evil god
His name is "I AM", and He is, however you choose to see Him, or were already predestined to see Him, etc...
And why is He, or what makes Him (God the omniscient Father here) "evil" exactly...?
Creating and giving everything (including you and me) "life"...? Was that His "great and evil and most wicked crime", etc...?
But and/or because, I just think you were just designed to be rebellious and unbelieving, etc...
But and/or at any rate, etc, if He chose you just to be a temporary program (one trick pony) that never goes beyond here or this life ever, and just repeats these kinds of lives/existences over and over again, but has no conscious memory of it each time, for eternity or for forever, etc, then that is His choice, etc, and He has every right to do what He whatever He wants, or whatever He will with His own things, etc, and that does not make Him "evil" either, but just makes Him "God", etc, and He has "every single right" to do "whatever He will", with all of "His own things", etc...
and contrary to other Christians he is honest about it. Honesty does not make one popular.
No it doesn't, but that does not make it any less true, etc, because truth, just simply is, etc...
And I'm not here to try and win any kind of "popularity contests" also, etc...
God never does that, trying to get out of the blame for his own choices. His followers do that for him. How honourable of him.
Funny how you have so much hate for a being that you say "doesn't exist", etc...?
And where oh where is the "logic" in that, etc...?
Because that alone, might just be "proof enough" alone maybe, for His existence right there, etc...
(Although there is a lot more "proof" than just that, etc) (But not that you'd believe or accept though)...
God blames everyone and forgives some.
And why are you even on here (again) protesting with so much hate (again) over a supposed "fictional being" that you say "doesn't exist", etc...?
And again, and again, where oh where is the "logic" in that, etc...?
But to try and answer your question, God the Spirit went through a period of time where He was learning how and where to place the "blame", and "all the blame", etc...
You are mistaken. The question is : Who is responsible ?
God the omniscient Father is the source of all, etc..
God failed to convert most non-Christians even when they were children.
Some were never meant to come to believe, etc...
And I'm not even going to bother answering any more "super long posts" from you either, because in my mind, your mind is already made up, or it was already made up for you, and your never going to change, etc, and you seem very, very much like only a very limited "on trick pony" to me also, etc, and that "one trick" seems to be only living a life hating people who are followers of a being, and hating a/that being, or set of beings, etc, that you say supposedly doesn't even exist, so...?
And that's your "one trick", and your "one trick pony", that I don't think is ever going change, etc...
But for the record, I do feel very sorry for you, as I do think it is kind of very pathetic and very sad, etc...
And may not even be worth my even replying to you anymore also, etc...
But, anyway...
Oh, but, thanks for "bumping" the thread though, as I was thinking of doing it anyway...
But, anyway...
God Bless!