By free will they dammed themselves and therefore not God's doing
That is of course assuming there is a hell otherwise let's just say ' the dammed .
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By free will they dammed themselves and therefore not God's doing
That is of course assuming there is a hell otherwise let's just say ' the dammed .
Skala,
you write, "They have an excuse. God could have saved them, but didn't"
Aren't you describing Calvinism? God could have chosen them but decided not to?
you write, "They have an excuse. God could have saved them, but didn't"
Aren't you describing Calvinism? God could have chosen them but decided not to?
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Originally Posted by FreeGrace2 View Post
The Bible teaches that salvation and eternal life are gifts. Not faith.
Php 1:29 because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:
The Bible teaches that salvation and eternal life are gifts. Not faith.
Php 1:29 because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:
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By free will they dammed themselves and therefore not God's doing
That is of course assuming there is a hell otherwise let's just say ' the dammed .
I saw the movie, "Noah". Even though lots of Christians protest against the movie, Noah does have a point, humans should not exist cause we're all filthy rags.
This proves total depravity right. I notice most self claimed self born again think they deserve to win tickets to heaven so they boast about it
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Actually, I was using anti-Calvinists (read, synerigsts and Arminians of all kinds) arguments against them.
You see, logically, their argument works equally against their own view.
They say "Calvinism is bad because God could save people, but doesn't!"
Yet, they reject universalism, and even they believe that God could save people, but doesn't.
So their argument works equally against their own view. Thy shoot themselves in the foot without realizing it.
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Well of course they should exsit , why? because they do exist . .
Therefore it is God's will they exist
The way humans are is because of the way they were made to be with no other alternative ?
You make an intriguing point about the boasting but it is veiwed as celebratory that Jesus Saves .
With no choice in the picture Jesus could not save anyone that was un - savable - it would be beyond his ability to save anyone other then who he must save that God already decided he must save .
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With no choice in the picture Jesus could not save anyone that was un - savable - it would be beyond his ability to save anyone other then who he must save that God already decided he must save .
Heh, would you care to reveal your sources to suggest that Reformed theology teaches that there is "no choice?" Also please include your sources of what Reformed writer teaches that anyone is "beyond his ability to save?"
Do you have any idea why we suggest your making a straw man?
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Arminianism - an excuse for those in hell?
rofl
better flip that puppy over and look at the other side!
Calvinism provides an "excuse" for those in hell on the basis of :
"God decreed that I be in hell and there wasn't a damned thing thing I could DO ABOUT IT!!"
Arminianism - an excuse for those in hell?
rofl
better flip that puppy over and look at the other side!
Calvinism provides an "excuse" for those in hell on the basis of :
"God decreed that I be in hell and there wasn't a damned thing thing I could DO ABOUT IT!!"
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btw -- "your" is a possessive pronoun
the proper way to contract "you are" would be "you're"
the proper way to contract "you are" would be "you're"
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Calvinism (and Arminianisn) teach that we all EARNED our place in hell. We teach that God threw us a lifeline and he pulls us to safety, while you teach that you threw the lifeline to him and all he does is catch it.
(Funny that you'd come over here today after your rant on the WP yesterday.)
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funny that you even have the audacity to address that -- after your BLATANT RULE VIOLATIONS on WP
I totally reject your twisting of my words that I say that
"I threw a lifeline to God and all he does is catch it"
Please provide
QUOTES OF MY POSTS where I said those words or
GET OUT OF HERE OR APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR
LIBEL
(I'm waiting...)
I totally reject your twisting of my words that I say that
"I threw a lifeline to God and all he does is catch it"
Please provide
QUOTES OF MY POSTS where I said those words or
GET OUT OF HERE OR APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR
LIBEL
(I'm waiting...)
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"while you teach that you threw the lifeline to him and all he does is catch it."
I am reporting this for FALSE WITNESS, bubba.
You savvy?
I am reporting this for FALSE WITNESS, bubba.
You savvy?
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I meant the collective "you" as in "you Arminians".
BTW, I didn't violate the rules on WP. The pastors there all agreed that was discussing in fellowship and not demanding that they change or even saying that they are wrong. I was actually discussing the commonalities.
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oh -- did you mean a "collective 'your' " about my "alleged RANT" on WP yesterday?
You are ATE UP - Bryan - and you are not going to dance your way out of this one
You are ATE UP - Bryan - and you are not going to dance your way out of this one
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