Pro-Palestinian supporters at Columbia University confront Jews ‘to push them out of camp’

[essentialsaltes]

What exactly are these campuses invested in in Israel?

All these campuses have endowments that invest their money in all sorts of things. For South Africa it could be De Beers or South African debt. For Israel, it could be Teva Pharmaceuticals or Israeli debt.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Are you really reduced to hypotheticals at this point?

C'mon guy, I'm just trying to avoid annoying the powers that be.

You have asserted that "the Jews" bear collective guilt. That's a fact.

Per the definition in the Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023, that's antisemitic.

 

[civilwarbuff]

All these campuses have endowments that invest their money in all sorts of things. For South Africa it could be De Beers or South African debt. For Israel, it could be Teva Pharmaceuticals or Israeli debt.

So, let's pick Columbia Univ. What do they have invested in Israel or Israeli owned/controlled companies? Do you know?.....or do you think the 18-22yo protesting children know? Have they said? Please feel free to post what you have/find/or the college kiddies seem to believe. We'll wait.

 

[civilwarbuff]

C'mon guy, I'm just trying to avoid annoying the powers that be.

You have asserted that "the Jews" bear collective guilt. That's a fact.

Per the definition in the Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023, that's antisemitic.

Do you think God REALLY REALLY cares about man's 'Antisemitism Act of 2023'? That's good.......heh heh heh......that's really good......

 

[essentialsaltes]

So, let's pick Columbia Univ. What do they have invested in Israel or Israeli owned/controlled companies? Do you know?.....or do you think the 18-22yo protesting children know? Have they said? Please feel free to post what you have/find/or the college kiddies seem to believe. We'll wait.

Step one of many demands is for these private institutions to release the private details of their private endowments.

"They generally refuse to divulge precise details behind their investments."

But that article notes various defense contractors and Israeli firms and currency investments in shekels, etc. at various schools.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Do you think God REALLY REALLY cares about man's 'Antisemitism Act of 2023'? That's good.......heh heh heh......that's really good......

I'm not interested in any gods, but I'm going to call your antisemitic remark antisemitic.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Step one of many demands is for these private institutions to release the private details of their private endowments.

"They generally refuse to divulge precise details behind their investments."

But that article notes various defense contractors and Israeli firms and currency investments in shekels, etc. at various schools.

OK, then let's go with Ohio State University. I live in Columbus and attended OSU so I am familiar with it. It is a state univ and its books, by law, must be open. Same questions apply.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Step one of many demands is for these private institutions to release the private details of their private endowments.

Pro-Palestinian protesters, University of Minnesota reach agreement to end encampment​

Organizers of pro-Palestinian protests at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus and university leadership announced Thursday morning that they’ve reached an agreement to end the dayslong encampment on Northrop Mall

“We were in late-night negotiations with the administration into the evening. And we received an amazing email, basically stating that five out of six of our demands would be met,” said Fae Hodges, a member of Students for a Democratic Society. “And so this morning, we’ve decided we have come to an agreement with the University to take down the encampment. We’ll be removing tents within the next two hours and getting all of our stuff out by noon.”

Among other steps, the statement also says the U of M “will make a good faith effort to provide as much information as possible about the university’s holdings in public companies” — in response to protesters’ demands for divestment from companies with ties to the Israeli military — while noting that some investments “are protected by non-disclosure agreements or other legal constraints.”

On Monday, Northwestern University in Illinois and student organizers announced an agreement to curb protest activity in return for the reestablishment of an advisory committee on university investments and other commitments.

At Brown University in Rhode Island, administrators agreed on Wednesday to consider a vote to divest from Israel in October — apparently the first U.S. college to agree to such a demand.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I'm not interested in any gods, but I'm going to call your antisemitic remark antisemitic.

Wow, calling God antisemitic. I bet he will have a bone or 2 to pick with that statement.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So, let's pick Columbia Univ. What do they have invested in Israel or Israeli owned/controlled companies? Do you know?.....or do you think the 18-22yo protesting children know?

18-22 y.o. are not children. They are adults.

Have they said? Please feel free to post what you have/find/or the college kiddies seem to believe. We'll wait.

I don't recall which university, it could well have been Columbia, but one stock mentioned was Boeing because Boeing sells arms to the IDF. From what I can gather (no new searches in this post), the targeted investments are directly tied to the military actions of Israel against Palestine over the decades and not (as it was with some of the South Africa divestment movement) aimed at big American consumer companies to pull out of the country (like Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McD's, etc.).

 

[civilwarbuff]

Step one of many demands is for these private institutions to release the private details of their private endowments.

So if some protesters camp out on your front lawn and demand you release all the private details of your life.....you gonna cave?

'Private Institutions' by self description are just that: Private.

 

[Hans Blaster]

OK, then let's go with Ohio State University. I live in Columbus and attended OSU so I am familiar with it. It is a state univ and its books, by law, must be open. Same questions apply.

Public universities generally have created "independent" private foundations for fundraising and management of endowments. (Often the Board of Regents will have some older gifts from before such foundations were common as well, but these tend to be much smaller.) For example this foundation supports an Ohio State University:

About the Foundation

I don't quickly see a list of current assets. They and similar foundations are 501(c) non-profits and must file the 901 annual tax form like all (non-church) non-profits, but like most tax forms they list income and expense, not assets.

 

[Pommer]

Nobody has any issues with people d I agreeing with what Israel is doing. Some even agree with it. Hamas and thier supporters need to be stamped out. But these leftist kids aren't in Gaza or Israel. They are in the US. But occupying campuses isn't doing anything at all except disrupt learning that other students want. You didn't answer the question. Do you honestly think doing this is going to make Israel stop?

Say in what things? In what Israel does? Then they should be in Israel doing this. And yes outside agitators. A bunch of anti-semite bigots. This isn't the great civil rights movement. These leftists are accomplishing nothing cause it's not the US who's in Gaza. And it's not the universities who are there either. It's not thier fellow students or the professors or the administration. They are just following a bunch bigots. In our local campus the police caught some people gluing posters to light posts and buildings. Guess what, they WEREN'T students. They were outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

NYPD gives chilling update after 56 arrested at NYU, New School: 'There's somebody behind this movement'

Officers from the New York Police Department went to New York University and The New School, where they ultimately arrested 56 people, with no incidents, between both schools.

www.foxnews.com

Foolishness is never the right thing. What about the kids who want it to stop. Are they doing the right thing? How old are you anyway? Don't you remember how much you didn't know and how immature you were at that age? You trust some leftist spoiled rich kids to do the right things? Foolishness.

Sure, the kids are politically naive, but castigating them for taking the “wrong” stance misses the larger point of them beginning to think politically.
All of this is “normal”.
Children* are awakening to the fact that the world isn’t just. Some are taking stances that they’ll likely repudiate in the future, but they’re becoming aware/alive politically (this is the “normal” part).

Our job as “elders” is to teach them how to order their thinking to best affect their own (future) society, long after us “elders” are gone. It is also our job to get out of the way if we’re becoming a drag on their ability to do so.

tl;dr: It’s always been “going to heck”

*actually “young adults”

 

[rjs330]

All these campuses have endowments that invest their money in all sorts of things. For South Africa it could be De Beers or South African debt. For Israel, it could be Teva Pharmaceuticals or Israeli debt.

Would be? So these campuses they are taking over COULD be investing? I bet these kids have no clue what their campus is doing. They certainly havent backed up any of their demands with evidence of any kind. And someone on this board said they trusted the kids.

 

[rjs330]

Step one of many demands is for these private institutions to release the private details of their private endowments.

"They generally refuse to divulge precise details behind their investments."

But that article notes various defense contractors and Israeli firms and currency investments in shekels, etc. at various schools.

So nothing specific for us? Can't read rhe article.

 

[rjs330]

18-22 y.o. are not children. They are adults.

I don't recall which university, it could well have been Columbia, but one stock mentioned was Boeing because Boeing sells arms to the IDF. From what I can gather (no new searches in this post), the targeted investments are directly tied to the military actions of Israel against Palestine over the decades and not (as it was with some of the South Africa divestment movement) aimed at big American consumer companies to pull out of the country (like Coca-Cola, Pepsi, McD's, etc.).

Why are they caving to a bunch of kids? They aren't even the majority of the students. I wonder if all the kids are going to be happy losing all the Vkoe and Pespsi products on campus and anything other business that does business in Israel.

 

[rjs330]

Pro-Palestinian protesters, University of Minnesota reach agreement to end encampment​

Organizers of pro-Palestinian protests at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus and university leadership announced Thursday morning that they’ve reached an agreement to end the dayslong encampment on Northrop Mall

“We were in late-night negotiations with the administration into the evening. And we received an amazing email, basically stating that five out of six of our demands would be met,” said Fae Hodges, a member of Students for a Democratic Society. “And so this morning, we’ve decided we have come to an agreement with the University to take down the encampment. We’ll be removing tents within the next two hours and getting all of our stuff out by noon.”

Among other steps, the statement also says the U of M “will make a good faith effort to provide as much information as possible about the university’s holdings in public companies” — in response to protesters’ demands for divestment from companies with ties to the Israeli military — while noting that some investments “are protected by non-disclosure agreements or other legal constraints.”

On Monday, Northwestern University in Illinois and student organizers announced an agreement to curb protest activity in return for the reestablishment of an advisory committee on university investments and other commitments.

At Brown University in Rhode Island, administrators agreed on Wednesday to consider a vote to divest from Israel in October — apparently the first U.S. college to agree to such a demand.

This is the STUPIDEST thing a campus can do. Caving to a bunch of kids like this. I wonder if all these kids are going to refuse to fly Boeing jets from now on. How about protesting in all airports that fly Boeing jets?

Every single one of these kid's should be suspended from school.

 

[rjs330]

Sure, the kids are politically naive, but castigating them for taking the “wrong” stance misses the larger point of them beginning to think politically.
All of this is “normal”.
Children* are awakening to the fact that the world isn’t just. Some are taking stances that they’ll likely repudiate in the future, but they’re becoming aware/alive politically (this is the “normal” part).

Our job as “elders” is to teach them how to order their thinking to best affect their own (future) society, long after us “elders” are gone. It is also our job to get out of the way if we’re becoming a drag on their ability to do so.

tl;dr: It’s always been “going to heck”

*actually “young adults”

Yeah, but telling them this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Caving in to their ridiculous demands only makes them.feel they can do whatever they want. Then they go into the real.world and find out they aren't as important as they thought they were.

They should all.be warned that this behavior is not acceptable and if they continue they will be suspended and expelled. Protesting is one thing. THIS is something else entirely.

That's how we prepare them. It's absolutely fine to have your voices heard. March, carry signs, but holding land and building hostage because your university MIGHT have a contract with Boeing which you fly home on every year is foolishness. And they are disrupting all the other kids on campus who want to learn. Perhaps we ought to just shut these colleges down if this is what they are churning out. I guess another way to.look.at this is they are getting what they deserve.

 

[ralliann]

Suggesting "the Jews" bear collective guilt for something is quite obviously antisemitic.

Or guilt for gaining land through warfare, when nobody else has. That is antisemitic. Especially when the warfare was self defense to begin with, both times.

 

[ralliann]

This is the STUPIDEST thing a campus can do. Caving to a bunch of kids like this. I wonder if all these kids are going to refuse to fly Boeing jets from now on. How about protesting in all airports that fly Boeing jets?

Every single one of these kid's should be suspended from school.

Agree! Do they really not know this? Or do they agree with the rioters? Arafat used to play that game too..