Ukraine peace talks

Yes, I do. It is the only option for America. We do not belong on the Russian border any more than the Soviets belonged in Cuba. There are historical issues there that predate American itself. that none of us really understand.

The only course for American is what Trump said: Sit them down, and get the shooting to stop, but not with military aid.

My typos really irritate me. LOL.
I wish there was not a time limit on editing posts
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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

This absurd picture is not what the world looks like, though. You can send a balloon with a cam and see that its not flat. Also, GPS, satellite internet/TV and other stuff would not work.

Here is a softball question for you - if Antarctica circumferences the earth, how can people sail around it?
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Lol'z :tearsofjoy:

1. It doesn't even show you them sailing around the none existence Antarctica coastline.
2. And yes you maybe able to to track them going around the horn, which is pretty dangerous sailing.
3. And this guy who made the video is probably a paid opposition shill.

Nice try trophy, I'll give you that.
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SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

You know of course that the concern is in the treatment being more harmful than the disorder. As has been the case history with several treatments that were abandoned and or outlawed.
Because, as everyone knows, the most qualified person to determine whether a medical treatment is harmful or not is a politician.

-- A2SG, that's why everyone trusts politicians to make all their medical decisions for them.....
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SDA survey: "majority of global church members did not have a clear understanding of the Trinity as consisting of three distinct Persons"

Some people might interpret "person" as "having a body and being humanoid". Which can lead to confusion. English and Latin have no easy equivalent to the actual term the Church Fathers used, hypostasis. Person actually comes from a term used to refer to an actor wearing a mask.
How can a majority both believe in three equal persons and not believe one of them is a person, in the same time? Its more a logical problem than a an etymological one, IMO.
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Second Post, Second Thread

I pretty much agree with your thoughts...

Ban patrol may now take you.
Buhahahaha

I was just kidding.. :sorry: maybe :sorry::help:
Welcome to OBOB.
Though I believe the same, I vouch for prayers.
Sounds as if you and I have a great deal in common. :) I agree with everything you said here.

Welcome. Just remember not to attack anybody; the best way to deal with Our Many Detractors is to counter their drivel with authentic Catholic teachings from authoritative Catholic sources----and to that, I would add the caveat that the best sources are usually pre-Vatican II, LOL.
This will offend somebody. You can count on somebody to be offended by almost anything. But nothing you wrote violates the rules of CF. Do watch out in applying any of this to individuals, for example by saying that some leftist who calls himself a Christian is not in reality a Christian. I have seen people get in trouble for saying that. I can think it. I just can't say it.


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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health

I gave this evidence already which shows you don't read the evidence.
Your following links are all about hierarchy; but your comment was about hierarchy, rigid roles and control. These three things together are not "highly benefficial, healthy and normal."
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Panentheism in the Bible?

I think the biggest and most obvious problem is, well, look at the universe. Does this look like the mind and essence of God manifest?

Sure... why not? That's not far from how many Christians theologians have thought about God's relationship to the world in the past.


At the instant of creation, the universe and everything in it received sovereignty to both exist and interact with other elements of creation. The scripture mentions a "course of nature," which can only be something that is running independently.

I don't see how one can believe that nature "runs independently" and not come to be a deist or atheist, following its logical course. If God is just an Unmoved Mover, that's far from the God of the Bible, who is intimately involved with, as Jesus says, even the sparrows and the grass of the fields.
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Putin / ROC / attitudes and statements

У нас в России консерватизм и патриархальные ценности. Вот вы и критикуете нашу Русскую Церковь, но вам лучше бы позаботиться о себе, Байдене, его трансгендерной политике, продвижении ЛГБТ в США. Ваше общество больно, а вы критикуете здоровое общество. Доктор, исцели себя.
I missed this thread seven years ago. Dunno why.

I can say that a lot of Archer’s expressed concerns have certainly come to pass.

As to the quote, welcome, Nagomirov!
I understand Russian quite well, but this IS an English-language forum. if you have any problems or questions about English, I can help you with that as a professional EFL teacher.

You are right some degree of conservatism and patriarchal values has survived in Russia. And the Russian church rightly stands against the things you yourself criticize. However, when you suggest that Russian society is healthy, I have to challenge that idea. There is certainly a large minority that rejects belief, and rejects conservatism and patriarchal values. Abortion is legal widely practiced in Russia, despite the ostensible influence of the Church that ought to be powerful enough to stop it.

But the number one issue, I think, is that the Russian Church is now serving the secular political interests of the state, which is altogether not the mission of the Church. “Holy things for the Holy”. But the “holy war” approved of in documents of the Patriarchate is anything but holy. It is a political action designed to maintain Russia’s perceived territorial interests. Priests who right think that war is bad, pre-emptive first-strike wars are worse, and killing fellow Orthodox Christians is bad for our souls are punished, fired, demoted, transferred, exiled. even priests, who said nothing publicly have been punished. That is the Church hierarchy punishing priests, not for wrongdoing, but because it questions the narrative of Russia’s secular political actions, not any conflict with the business of the Church. Tell me how the Church is NOT in bed with the government, something no national Church ever ought to be, if it is ever to speak the truth in love to power. We rightly criticize Ukraine for using the new Ukrainian Church Pat. Bartholomew wrongly established to do exactly the same thing in the Ukraine. Why does the Russian Church get a pass to do so?
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How do you explain the existence of evil, despite God being almighty, and all knowing, and perfect love?

How do you forum posters explain that evil exists despite God being, all powerful, all knowing and all love?
Evil exists because of sin: when created beings (angels or men) decide to disobey the moral law of God, and the consequence is that evil permeates all things. Sin is far-reaching, and is the reason there is a lake of fire judgment coming. The Bible says that God will judge everyone according to their deeds.
Why does God permit or create evil?
God let created beings go their own way (rather than cling to the holy nature of God), in order to show that we cannot live up to God's holy nature without God's help, which requires faith in Him. And in order to show that forsaking God's help has bad consequences. We are in a spiritual war/struggle, in which we must do mental and spiritual battle against the ways of sin. The Bible says that God is a mighty warrior, and we are required to believe for His help in winning those battles to the end. We get God's help through trusting in Christ.
Or did God not want it for anything?
God has no needs, but He desires that the whole world would know Him. The Bible says that one day the whole world will be filled with the knowledge of God, and it also says we are created for His glory and pleasure, and that by His side are eternal pleasures. Therefore, we are put in this world to seek Him out, according to Apostle Paul's teaching in Acts 17.

But if you mean "Did God not want evil in the world?" - No, God does not WANT evil in the world; but the Bible says that God wants everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. But in fact, many angels followed Satan into choosing evil; that is, using their will for wrong reasoning, and this also happened to every human being who ever lived, except for Christ alone. Jesus called Satan the father of lies, and every person is born under the control of Satan's lies. The way out of that is to know the truth that is in Jesus Christ. So what God wants of people is clearly stated, to repent (from sin) and believe the gospel (that Jesus saves us from sin).
Is evil and illusion?
No, it's as real as a heart attack.
Why did Jesus create the situation of the crucifixion and go through that?
He said that no one takes His life, but He lays it down on His own accord. It means that He displayed the ultimate love to lay His life down for the redemption of all men, in the worst possible conditions. The event also shows us that love shines the most when good deeds are done in the worst of situations.
Why does the victory of death and Satan, take so long to fully establish?
The Bible says that God wants to bring many sons to glory, which requires lots of time for population growth. Furthermore, it takes lots of time for people to mature spiritually, and develop the permanent godly character they need, which is happening in every generation. Part of the Christian life is living by faith that Christ will raise us up to immortality, even though we don't see it happening right now. Faith is the basis of a vital relationship with God.
Will the fallen angels and souls ever repent?
Fallen angels can't repent, this is why the lake of fire was created, for the devil and his messengers (including all people who refuse to repent and believe the gospel).

But what do you mean by "and souls"? Are you talking about souls of mankind? If so, then it is possible for any human being to repent and believe the gospel, and many are. But we also know from what the Bible says, and what missionaries tell us, that the majority of people are on the road to hell. Jesus said, "narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it; but broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there be that find it."
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Free will and determinism

I've read it and here are a few quotes from it and my views on them.

'According to Frankfurt, an agent is “free” if he wants what he wants, such that his lower-order desires correspond to higher-order volitions (e.g., Frankfurt, 1988). For others (Descartes, Berkeley, Kant), free will requires that an agent can genuinely escape the causal necessity of a deterministic world.'
I'm with Descartes et al.

'Having outlined these precautions, we can now turn to the debate on responsibility, which is distinct from free will and practical in nature. In other words, criminal responsibility is not founded in free will but on practical, subjective and political considerations.5 As such, it is impervious to any truth about determinisms.'

I tend to agree. The concept of responsibility remains. We can still hold someone as being responsible for her actions in the usual and practical sense of that term. We can't avoid that. But how we determine the degree of culpability can change.

'...criminal responsibility relies mostly on our subjective experience, the impression of being able to choose to act or avoid acting.'

It is indeed an impression.

'As long as the illusion of free will remains intact, even if it is an illusion, we can claim to be responsible.'

Again, even in a paper that argues that there's no need to allow for a lack of free will in the justice system, there is an acceptance of it as being an illusion.

'S. J. Morse reaffirmed the Humean argument to defeat naively enthusiastic scientific claims in courtrooms. In his famous article “Brain overclaim syndrome and responsibility: a diagnostic note” (Morse, 2006), he recalls the behavioral, as opposed to cerebral, criteria for responsibility and insists on the incapacity of brain imaging to set the threshold of normality vs. abnormality either in ethics or in law. “Brains are not responsible. Acting people are”. Hence, explaining the difference in behaviors between a teenager and an adult by the lack of complete myelinization of cortical neurons as in Roper v. Simmons (2005)10, and inferring as a result the lack of sufficient responsibility to qualify for the death penalty, is simply irrelevant.'

Dualism at work. Brains are different to people. At what point does the lack of a fully functional pre frontal cortex make a difference to our determination of personal responsibility?

'The common intuition about our agency reverses the onus of proof: it’s up to neuroscience to convince us that we don’t have it.'

I'll just note that they didn't say 'the fact about our agency...'. Rather 'the intuition...'

'Early life experiences are rarely taken into account when screening and recruiting participants; yet parenting and socio-economic status (SES) have effects on brain areas such as the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, whose dysfunction has been linked to a variety of legally relevant outcomes such as crime and violence, drug use, and reduced cognitive control.'

This was meant to be an argument against brain scans which might predict the possibility of unsocial acts. But in doing so they admit to the very causes that they are trying to suggest we ignore.

'Being a kleptomaniac is not sufficient grounds for being exonerated from stealing because criminal law considers that a kleptomaniac still knows that what he or she is doing and that stealing is wrong. '

It's not that he doesn't know. It's that he knows but cannot prevent himself.

'However, we can object that numerous drug addicts report knowing that what they do is wrong. They do not showcase a troubled reason that would not dissociate right from wrong.'

Again, it's only in the most extreme of examples that an individual cannot tell right from wrong.

'Nonetheless, cognitive biases indicate other avenues than the revision of the reasonable person standard, such as training for judges and juries. These could be useful to warn the latter about potential biases in their judgment and that of others. A famous, but controversial, example is a study supposedly showing that judges render harsher decisions when they’re hungry.'

Now we're heading in the right direction. Although there is some debate as to whether that particular example was as accurate as it could have been. But we've already seen that blood sugar levels can most definitely result in anti social behaviour.

And if anyone is interested, the original paper by Sapolski that brought up the subject to which the paper quoted above was partly in response.

Sapolski: The frontal cortex and the criminal justice system.
Thanks, that was an interesting read. I still think the positive/negative aspects of determinism are not being fully addressed. I don't see how one can escape the inevitable whether good or bad.
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VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

Speaking of John the Baptist, JESUS said:Luke 7:27 - This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

And now? Who will be sent before JESUS's coming? Now is sent Michael-Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 12.

And what is the current mission of Michael in this world of Devil?

Now, now, don't you know?

He will do the same he did in Sodom and Gomorrah, of the same manner as he revealed it to Lot: Remember: He asked to Lot: Has you here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will DESTROY this place(NOW WILL DESTROY THE WORLD AS A WHOLE), because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord has sent us to DESTROY it.
And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, GET YOU OUT OF THIS PLACE; for the Lord will DESTROY this city (NOW WILL DESTROY THE WORLD AS A WHOLE). But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look.

Be careful or else get ready
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