The Blood of the Everlasting Covenant

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The Davidic Covenant is not a blood covenant.
The covenant at Sinai was a blood covenant.

Exodus 24:8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled
on the people, and said, This is the blood of the
covenant
which the Lord has made with you
according to all these words.

The New Covenant is a blood covenant.
The everlasting covenant that fulfulls all.

Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood
of the new covenant, which is shed for many.


1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same manner He also
took the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the
new covenant in My blood. Do this,, as often as
you drink, in remembrance of Me.


Hebrews 12:
24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better
things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 13:
20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the
dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep,
through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work
to do his will,
working in you that which is well pleasing
in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for
ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God
the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto
obedience and sprinkling of the blood
of Jesus Christ:

Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
 

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Hi I agree with the statement about the new covenant being in place and it always was the only covenant that removed sin. In Rev the multitude sing out to the Lamb who has redeemed them by His blood out of every tribe tongue kindred and nation. Jesus blood freed those justified by faith when atonement was paid for on the cross. Your other statement about this fulfills all I am not sure what you mean by that. In my view there are many covenants, promises oaths and prophecies that Jesus will still fulfill. Luke 1. This is the most important issue to agree on is being part of the new covenant the Jesus brought in.
 
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Hi I agree with the statement about the new covenant being in place and it always was the only covenant that removed sin. In Rev the multitude sing out to the Lamb who has redeemed them by His blood out of every tribe tongue kindred and nation. Jesus blood freed those justified by faith when atonement was paid for on the cross. Your other statement about this fulfills all I am not sure what you mean by that. In my view there are many covenants, promises oaths and prophecies that Jesus will still fulfill. Luke 1. This is the most important issue to agree on is being part of the new covenant the Jesus brought in.
The everlasting covenant that fulfulls all
This is in reference to:
2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes,
and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.
We may not see all promises fully manifested,
but in Christ they will find their fulfillment, even
from the foundation of the world.
 
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The Davidic Covenant is not a blood covenant.
The covenant at Sinai was a blood covenant.

Exodus 24:8
And Moses took the blood, sprinkled
on the people, and said, This is the blood of the
covenant
which the Lord has made with you
according to all these words.

The New Covenant is a blood covenant.
The everlasting covenant that fulfulls all.

Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood
of the new covenant, which is shed for many.


1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same manner He also
took the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the
new covenant in My blood. Do this,, as often as
you drink, in remembrance of Me.


Hebrews 12:
24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better
things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 13:
20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the
dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep,
through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work
to do his will,
working in you that which is well pleasing
in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for
ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God
the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto
obedience and sprinkling of the blood
of Jesus Christ:

Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Was the covenant made with Phinehas (Numbers 25:10-31) a blood covenant?
 
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Was the covenant made with Phinehas (Numbers 25:10-31) a blood covenant?
The berit shalom of Phinehas was a reward for faithfulness.
Tribe of Levi chosen after the golden calf incident.
Family of Phinehas made pre-eminent among the tribe,
later, the line of Zadok was exalted.
The reward for faithfulness demonstrated from these
OT events reflect upon the saints by the words of the
Lord:

"To the one who overcomes...."
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him,
for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Both the covenant at Sinai and the New Covenant by
the blood of the Lamb speaks of "the blood of sprinkling."
I sort of anticipated someone would ask about that. Moses
sprinkled blood over the congregation in Exodus 24. How
do you think that applies to the faithful in Christ?
 
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The berit shalom of Phinehas was a reward for faithfulness.
Tribe of Levi chosen after the golden calf incident.
Family of Phinehas made pre-eminent among the tribe,
later, the line of Zadok was exalted.

The reward for faithfulness demonstrated from these
OT events reflect upon the saints by the words of the
Lord:

"To the one who overcomes...."
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him,
for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
Both the covenant at Sinai and the New Covenant by
the blood of the Lamb speaks of "the blood of sprinkling."
I sort of anticipated someone would ask about that. Moses
sprinkled blood over the congregation in Exodus 24.

How do you think that applies to the faithful in Christ?
The blood of the New Covenant is applied (sprinkled) by faith in the blood (Romans 3:25).

This relates to Phinehas, how?
 
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The blood of the New Covenant is applied (sprinkled) by faith in the blood (Romans 3:25).

This relates to Phinehas, how?
I was not relating it to Phinehas. You asked me a question
about him, and that's fine. I wanted to ask you a question.
Don't get locked in. I am trying to discuss the thread, not
your interest in Phinehas. Peter speaks of "the blood of
sprinkling". In Ex. 24, Moses sprinkled the blood literally.
Was just curious about your thoughts on that point from the
NT perspective. Faith is no doubt the place to start.
Does this mean you are satisfied with my answer in regards
to Phinehas?
 
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I was not relating it to Phinehas. You asked me a question about him, and that's fine. I wanted to ask you a question. Don't get locked in. I am trying to discuss the thread, not
your interest in Phinehas. Peter speaks of "the blood of sprinkling". In Ex. 24, Moses sprinkled the blood literally. Was just curious about your thoughts on that point from the NT perspective. Faith is no doubt the place to start.
Does this mean you are satisfied with my answer in regards to Phinehas?
At least for the time being. . .I haven't really had an occasion to look into it.
The bloodless covenant is what brought it to mind.

I can keep it separate from your question to me.
Do you agree with my answer to your question, that the cleansing blood is applied by faith?
I think mine may be a different application, of the sacrifices.
 
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At least for the time being. . .I haven't really had an occasion to look into it.
The bloodless covenant is what brought it to mind.
Thanks, now I follow your train of thought.
Do you agree with my answer to your question, that the cleansing blood is applied by faith?
As I already said, faith is always a good place to start,
and that was a solid verse to work from, so yes.
My meditations on the subject led me to this:
we read about "the Lamb slain before the foundation
of the world" in Revelation.
In Ephesians 1:4, we read that the elect were chosen
before the foundation of the world.

Then in 1 Peter 1, we read:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain
conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb
without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of
the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

Since this occurred once for all, I conclude that the
sprinkling of the blood of the Lamb established the
elect across all time and space.
As Peter said, the manifestation came in the
"fullness of time" of Messiah"s 1st appearance,
and all was preordained in this eternal truth
"before the foundation of the world".
 
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I really do wish brethren would understand, that God's Promise by Faith offered to Abraham was ALWAYS FIRST, before any kind of blood covenant.

Apostle Paul in Galatians 3 even tells us that no blood was involved in the giving of that Promise by Faith. That Promise by Faith is... The Gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul also reveals was preached to Abraham. He said Abraham believed God, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness.

That Promise happened back in Genesis 14. Yet that was about The New Covenant Jesus Christ! It just wasn't time yet in Abraham's day for Jesus to be born of woman and die on the cross.

But did Lord Jesus, by His Blood shed upon His cross, seal The New Covenant which is by Faith? Yes, of course. So don't allow confusion about the blood creep in to that Promise by Faith first given to Abraham. This is why Paul said those of Faith have become "the children of Abraham"!

Gal 3:6-7
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
KJV
 
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I really do wish brethren would understand, that God's Promise by Faith offered to Abraham was ALWAYS FIRST, before any kind of blood covenant.
Yep. And that was my point on my other thread.
The token of that covenant was "in the flesh",
it pertained only to the natural descendants of Israel,
according to the covenant through Moses,
NOT to the nations who would be saved by faith.

John 7:
22
Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that
it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you
circumcise a man on the Sabbath.

23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath,
so that the law of Moses should not be broken,
are you angry with Me because I made a man
completely well on the Sabbath?


The previous statement was directed towards those
and I think you know who they are, who at this hour
insist that gentiles should be circumcised and keep
the law of Moses in spite of all that Paul wrote. Heck,
I didn't even bother to quote Romans 2:28, 29. If that
isn't convincing enough, well then they should do their
thing, "all things are lawful, but not all things edify."
Just don't tell others what they have to do, and impose
your views on another's liberty.

Galatians 2:
3
Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek,
was compelled to be circumcised.
4 And because of false brethren secretly brought in
(who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which
we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us
into bondage).

With that in mind, if you go back to the other thread,
you will see what @Mark Quayle and others seemed
to have no difficulty with understanding. Many of my
threads are structured to make this distinction, as
conveyed in my signature, spirit not flesh, which
is unprofitable for them.
Unfortunately, the reader has to be in the Spirit to
see that distinction. Sometimes the intent seems to
be to blow up a thread, or challenge someone right
out the gate, and that is not the right spirit. We
must "put on Christ, and make no provision for
the flesh".


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and
that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, who worship
God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no
confidence in the flesh.
 
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Yep. And that was my point on my other thread.
The token of that covenant was "in the flesh",
it pertained only to the natural descendants of Israel,
according to the covenant through Moses,
NOT to the nations who would be saved by faith.

John 7:
22
Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that
it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you
circumcise a man on the Sabbath.

23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath,
so that the law of Moses should not be broken,
are you angry with Me because I made a man
completely well on the Sabbath?


The previous statement was directed towards those
and I think you know who they are, who at this hour
insist that gentiles should be circumcised and keep
the law of Moses in spite of all that Paul wrote. Heck,
I didn't even bother to quote Romans 2:28, 29. If that
isn't convincing enough, well then they should do their
thing, "all things are lawful, but not all things edify."
Just don't tell others what they have to do, and impose
your views on another's liberty.

Galatians 2:
3
Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek,
was compelled to be circumcised.
4 And because of false brethren secretly brought in
(who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which
we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us
into bondage).

With that in mind, if you go back to the other thread,
you will see what @Mark Quayle and others seemed
to have no difficulty with understanding. Many of my
threads are structured to make this distinction, as
conveyed in my signature, spirit not flesh, which
is unprofitable for them.
Unfortunately, the reader has to be in the Spirit to
see that distinction. Sometimes the intent seems to
be to blow up a thread, or challenge someone right
out the gate, and that is not the right spirit. We
must "put on Christ, and make no provision for
the flesh".


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and
that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, who worship
God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no
confidence in the flesh.

I still wish you'd be more careful about how you start off your 'wording' on such things, because it's easy to leave a false impression on this matter, so many are confused about it because of the crept in unawares.
 
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I still wish you'd be more careful about how you start off your 'wording' on such things, because it's easy to leave a false impression on this matter, so many are confused about it because of the crept in unawares.
And you shouldn't always come on my threads
looking to "bust my chops". :)
 
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Yep. And that was my point on my other thread.
The token of that covenant was "in the flesh",
it pertained only to the natural descendants of Israel,
according to the covenant through Moses,
NOT to the nations who would be saved by faith.

John 7:
22
Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that
it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you
circumcise a man on the Sabbath.

23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath,
so that the law of Moses should not be broken,
are you angry with Me because I made a man
completely well on the Sabbath?


The previous statement was directed towards those
and I think you know who they are, who at this hour
insist that gentiles should be circumcised and keep
the law of Moses in spite of all that Paul wrote. Heck,
I didn't even bother to quote Romans 2:28, 29. If that
isn't convincing enough, well then they should do their
thing, "all things are lawful, but not all things edify."
Just don't tell others what they have to do, and impose
your views on another's liberty.

Galatians 2:
3
Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek,
was compelled to be circumcised.
4 And because of false brethren secretly brought in
(who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which
we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us
into bondage).

With that in mind, if you go back to the other thread,
you will see what @Mark Quayle and others seemed
to have no difficulty with understanding. Many of my
threads are structured to make this distinction, as
conveyed in my signature, spirit not flesh, which
is unprofitable for them.
Unfortunately, the reader has to be in the Spirit to
see that distinction. Sometimes the intent seems to
be to blow up a thread, or challenge someone right
out the gate, and that is not the right spirit. We
must "put on Christ, and make no provision for
the flesh".


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and
that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, who worship
God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no
confidence in the flesh.

New Covenant Whole Gospel:


Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.

He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14.

Awaken Church to this truth.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by

husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.


Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)


Watch the YouTube video “The New Covenant” by Bob George.

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