Romans 4, water baptism?

[Doug Brents]

Yes that is true and you say that ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTISMA , which the Greek text says it is means that it is a Thing , or can mean a Place , or can mean Action , etc ??

dan p

Not an action, no, that would be the verb BAPTISMO. But a noun can be either a person, or a place, or a thing: in this case BAPTISMA is the noun "immersion", the state of being covered by a liquid, or the state of being completely involved in something.

 

[Dan Perez]

Not an action, no, that would be the verb BAPTISMO. But a noun can be either a person, or a place, or a thing: in this case BAPTISMA is the noun "immersion", the state of being covered by a liquid, or the state of being completely involved in something.

I have VINE'S DICTIONARY of all Greek words used in the N T and can not fing the Greek word for IMMERSION and be glad if you would please where that verse is ??

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

I have VINE'S DICTIONARY of all Greek words used in the N T and can not fing the Greek word for IMMERSION and be glad if you would please where that verse is ??

dan p

Lexicon :: Strong's G908 - baptisma​

Acts 10:47
Matt 3:7
Rom 6:4
Eph 4:5
Col 2:12
1 Pet 3:21
And others

 

[Dan Perez]

Lexicon :: Strong's G908 - baptisma​

Acts 10:47
Matt 3:7
Rom 6:4
Eph 4:5
Col 2:12
1 Pet 3:21
And others

Rom 6:3 Reads Or are you ignorant , that as many as were BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO into Christ Jesus were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO into his death ?

Y our thoughts as to what Rom 6:3 means ??

#1 Water Baptized into Christ Jesus ?

#2 Water Baptized into his Death ?

How can it be WATER BAPTISM ??

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

Rom 6:3 Reads Or are you ignorant , that as many as were BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO into Christ Jesus were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO into his death ?

Your thoughts as to what Rom 6:3 means ??

#1 Water Baptized into Christ Jesus ?
#2 Water Baptized into his Death ?

How can it be WATER BAPTISM ??

To start, I am going to borrow the quote below:
Toward the beginning of the Christian era, the Jews adopted (as a custom unrelated to Divine guidance) the custom of baptizing proselytes seven days after their circumcision. A series of specific interrogations made it possible to judge the real intentions of the candidate who wished to adopt the Jewish religion. After submitting to these interrogations, he was circumcised and later baptized before witnesses. In the baptism, he was immersed naked in a pool of flowing water; when he rose from the pool, he was a true son of Israel. After their baptism, new converts were allowed access to the sacrifices in the Temple.

When John the Baptist came on the scene in the first century Jewish world, his teaching included the necessity of baptism. The people of his day were familiar with the act or practice of baptism as just discussed. However, John's baptism was not based on or authorized by the Jewish law or pagan religious customs and traditions. John was called to preach by God, armed only with the Word of God (Luke 3:2). Jesus tells us that the baptism that John taught was from heaven, not from men ( Matt 21:25). When John preached a baptism for the remission of sins, the people heard and obeyed. They submitted to the baptism that had been authorized by God. It was the first time in human history in which a person had the opportunity to be baptized for the remission of his sins, pagan and Jewish religious customs, notwithstanding. A necessary refinement in the administration of baptism had to be made following the death of Jesus, however, as Acts 19:1-7 points out. Rather than submitting to the baptism of John, which was a baptism of repentance, we can now be baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

As this indicates, there was a practice of water baptism in Jewish tradition in the late first century BC and the early first century AD. When John came baptizing, the people knew what he was talking about, and knew what baptism was (immersion: in this case in water) and was for: in John's case, to be associated with having a repentant heart and drawing closer to God.

So there was a traditional precedent for water baptism even before John. Jesus, in His perfect knowledge and divine planning (through the Holy Spirit) adopted baptism in water as the point in time in which a person's salvation is sealed and effected. It is when one is immersed in water that the Holy Spirit unites us with Jesus death and resurrection (Rom 6:3 and also see Col 2:11-14).

 

[Dan Perez]

To start, I am going to borrow the quote below:
Toward the beginning of the Christian era, the Jews adopted (as a custom unrelated to Divine guidance) the custom of baptizing proselytes seven days after their circumcision. A series of specific interrogations made it possible to judge the real intentions of the candidate who wished to adopt the Jewish religion. After submitting to these interrogations, he was circumcised and later baptized before witnesses. In the baptism, he was immersed naked in a pool of flowing water; when he rose from the pool, he was a true son of Israel. After their baptism, new converts were allowed access to the sacrifices in the Temple.

When John the Baptist came on the scene in the first century Jewish world, his teaching included the necessity of baptism. The people of his day were familiar with the act or practice of baptism as just discussed. However, John's baptism was not based on or authorized by the Jewish law or pagan religious customs and traditions. John was called to preach by God, armed only with the Word of God (Luke 3:2). Jesus tells us that the baptism that John taught was from heaven, not from men ( Matt 21:25). When John preached a baptism for the remission of sins, the people heard and obeyed. They submitted to the baptism that had been authorized by God. It was the first time in human history in which a person had the opportunity to be baptized for the remission of his sins, pagan and Jewish religious customs, notwithstanding. A necessary refinement in the administration of baptism had to be made following the death of Jesus, however, as Acts 19:1-7 points out. Rather than submitting to the baptism of John, which was a baptism of repentance, we can now be baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

As this indicates, there was a practice of water baptism in Jewish tradition in the late first century BC and the early first century AD. When John came baptizing, the people knew what he was talking about, and knew what baptism was (immersion: in this case in water) and was for: in John's case, to be associated with having a repentant heart and drawing closer to God.

So there was a traditional precedent for water baptism even before John. Jesus, in His perfect knowledge and divine planning (through the Holy Spirit) adopted baptism in water as the point in time in which a person's salvation is sealed and effected. It is when one is immersed in water that the Holy Spirit unites us with Jesus death and resurrection (Rom 6:3 and also see Col 2:11-14).

And Rom 6:3 reads Or , are you ignorant , that as many as were BAPTIZED // into Christ were BAPTIZED // BAPTISO into his death ?

#1 Does the Greek word BAPTIZED // BAPTISO mean WATER ?

#2 How can anyone be WATER BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus .

# 3 And in verse 4 t says we were buried together with Him through BAPTISMA is the Greek word here and NOT the Greek word BAPTISM ,

#4 What does BAPTISMA then mean ??

#5 The Greek word BAPTISMA means that it is the HOLY SPIRIT tat places all those that are saved by Grace into the death of Christ Jesus .

#6 The Greek word is written 22 times from Matthew through 1 Peter and check the Greek Text and see !!


#7 In Eph 4:5 It reads One Lord , One Faith , One BAPTISMA , NOT the Greek word BAPTISM .

#8 The Greek word BAPTISMA is the person , called the HOLY SPIRIT .

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

And Rom 6:3 reads Or , are you ignorant , that as many as were BAPTIZED // into Christ were BAPTIZED // BAPTISO into his death ?

#1 Does the Greek word BAPTIZED // BAPTISO mean WATER ?

No, it simply means immersed.

#2 How can anyone be WATER BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus .

Easily and simply. You want to make a logical argument, but God made His Scripture defy logic (1 Cor 1:21-25). God has said that it is in water baptism that we are saved (1 Pet 3:21), and then He says that it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit removes our sins and unites us with Christ (Col 2:11-14).

# 3 And in verse 4 t says we were buried together with Him through BAPTISMA is the Greek word here and NOT the Greek word BAPTISM ,

Baptisma is the noun form of the word, and it still means immersion. It is through immersion in water that we are united with Christ.

#4 What does BAPTISMA then mean ??

See above.

#5 The Greek word BAPTISMA means that it is the HOLY SPIRIT tat places all those that are saved by Grace into the death of Christ Jesus .

Baptisma, like Baptismo, has nothing to do with the Spirit or water. Both words simply refer to immersion (baptisma the noun, and baptismo the verb).

#6 The Greek word is written 22 times from Matthew through 1 Peter and check the Greek Text and see !!
#7 In Eph 4:5 It reads One Lord , One Faith , One BAPTISMA , NOT the Greek word BAPTISM .

Baptism is an Englasised word transliterated from the Greek, it is not a Greek word.

#8 The Greek word BAPTISMA is the person , called the HOLY SPIRIT .

You keep saying that, but it is not true. Baptisma has nothing to do with immersion in any single thing. It could be immersion into the Spirit, or it could be immersion in water, or it could be immersion in the culture of the Jews. But 1 Pet 3:21 makes it clear that the immersion that saves us is immersion in water.

 

[Dan Perez]

No, it simply means immersed.

Easily and simply. You want to make a logical argument, but God made His Scripture defy logic (1 Cor 1:21-25). God has said that it is in water baptism that we are saved (1 Pet 3:21), and then He says that it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit removes our sins and unites us with Christ (Col 2:11-14).

Baptisma is the noun form of the word, and it still means immersion. It is through immersion in water that we are united with Christ.

See above.

Baptisma, like Baptismo, has nothing to do with the Spirit or water. Both words simply refer to immersion (baptisma the noun, and baptismo the verb).

Baptism is an Englasised word transliterated from the Greek, it is not a Greek word.

You keep saying that, but it is not true. Baptisma has nothing to do with immersion in any single thing. It could be immersion into the Spirit, or it could be immersion in water, or it could be immersion in the culture of the Jews. But 1 Pet 3:21 makes it clear that the immersion that saves us is immersion in water.

I have yet find a Greek word called IMMERSION , unless you know of a verse where it is found , ??

The Greek word BAPTISMOS is found in Heb 9:10 and in Mark 7:4 and 8 and it is WASHING // BAPTISMOS , of cups , pots , and tables .


To those who believe in WATER BAPTISM , why was Jesus WATER BAPTIZED in Matt 13-15 ?

And read 1 Cor 10:2 as the were BAPTIZED onto Moses unto the CLOUD unto the SEA ?


How did that happen ??

And in 1 Cor 15:29 how were they BAPTIZED for the Dead ?? Rom 6 tells it ALL !!

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

I have yet find a Greek word called IMMERSION , unless you know of a verse where it is found , ??

The Greek word BAPTISMOS is found in Heb 9:10 and in Mark 7:4 and 8 and it is WASHING // BAPTISMOS , of cups , pots , and tables .


To those who believe in WATER BAPTISM , why was Jesus WATER BAPTIZED in Matt 13-15 ?

And read 1 Cor 10:2 as the were BAPTIZED onto Moses unto the CLOUD unto the SEA ?


How did that happen ??

And in 1 Cor 15:29 how were they BAPTIZED for the Dead ?? Rom 6 tells it ALL !!

dan p

Immersion is an English word, not a Greek word, but the Greek word that means the noun 'immersion' is the Greek word baptisma. And the Greek word for the verb 'to immerse' is the Greek word baptismo.

Matt 3:13-15 tells us why Jesus was baptized: to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus did not have any sin to remove, so His baptism was not to remove His sins, as ours is. But He was baptized because it was the right thing to do.

1 Cor 10:2 has nothing to do with the baptism that brings salvation. As stated before, baptism (immersion) can be into anything: a language, water, fire, culture, etc. The Israelites were immersed in the cloud of smoke and the cloud of fire, and in the Sea, and this was into Moses. But it was not the New Testament baptism that leads to salvation.

1 Cor 15:29 is speaking of a false baptism that some were participating in. There is no value in being baptized for the dead, but the baptism mentioned here is the same practice of water baptism that saves us today.

 

[Dan Perez]

Immersion is an English word, not a Greek word, but the Greek word that means the noun 'immersion' is the Greek word baptisma. And the Greek word for the verb 'to immerse' is the Greek word baptismo.

Matt 3:13-15 tells us why Jesus was baptized: to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus did not have any sin to remove, so His baptism was not to remove His sins, as ours is. But He was baptized because it was the right thing to do.

1 Cor 10:2 has nothing to do with the baptism that brings salvation. As stated before, baptism (immersion) can be into anything: a language, water, fire, culture, etc. The Israelites were immersed in the cloud of smoke and the cloud of fire, and in the Sea, and this was into Moses. But it was not the New Testament baptism that leads to salvation.

1 Cor 15:29 is speaking of a false baptism that some were participating in. There is no value in being baptized for the dead, but the baptism mentioned here is the same practice of water baptism that saves us today.

Then 1 Cor 15:29 where it reads BAPTIZED for the DEAD , does not means WATER BAPRIZED for the DEAD ?

Then what does IT then mean ?

Read Romans 6 and it says what it MEANS !!

Your thoughts on Rom 6 means ??

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

Then 1 Cor 15:29 where it reads BAPTIZED for the DEAD , does not means WATER BAPRIZED for the DEAD ?

Then what does IT then mean ?

Yes, the people in Corinth had the false practice of being baptized in water in order to help those who had died be saved. It is a false practice because there is nothing anyone can do to facilitate the salvation of someone else except to teach them through word and deed while they are living, and hope that they believe and obey the Gospel. But after a person is dead, there is nothing anyone can do for them; their fate is sealed.

Read Romans 6 and it says what it MEANS !!
Your thoughts on Rom 6 means ??

Rom 6:1-4 says,
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 Far from it! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in newness of life."
First, we have died to sin. When? When we were baptized into Christ Jesus (in water as 1 Pet 3:21 says, and Acts 8:36-38 depicts). And because we were baptized into His death, we have been buried with Him (in baptism) so that we may be raised to new life just as Jesus was.
"For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for the one who has died is freed from sin."
If we are united with His death, then we will be united with Him in resurrection. If not united in death, then we will not be united in resurrection.
Do I need to go on?

 

[Dan Perez]

To start, I am going to borrow the quote below:
Toward the beginning of the Christian era, the Jews adopted (as a custom unrelated to Divine guidance) the custom of baptizing proselytes seven days after their circumcision. A series of specific interrogations made it possible to judge the real intentions of the candidate who wished to adopt the Jewish religion. After submitting to these interrogations, he was circumcised and later baptized before witnesses. In the baptism, he was immersed naked in a pool of flowing water; when he rose from the pool, he was a true son of Israel. After their baptism, new converts were allowed access to the sacrifices in the Temple.

When John the Baptist came on the scene in the first century Jewish world, his teaching included the necessity of baptism. The people of his day were familiar with the act or practice of baptism as just discussed. However, John's baptism was not based on or authorized by the Jewish law or pagan religious customs and traditions. John was called to preach by God, armed only with the Word of God (Luke 3:2). Jesus tells us that the baptism that John taught was from heaven, not from men ( Matt 21:25). When John preached a baptism for the remission of sins, the people heard and obeyed. They submitted to the baptism that had been authorized by God. It was the first time in human history in which a person had the opportunity to be baptized for the remission of his sins, pagan and Jewish religious customs, notwithstanding. A necessary refinement in the administration of baptism had to be made following the death of Jesus, however, as Acts 19:1-7 points out. Rather than submitting to the baptism of John, which was a baptism of repentance, we can now be baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

As this indicates, there was a practice of water baptism in Jewish tradition in the late first century BC and the early first century AD. When John came baptizing, the people knew what he was talking about, and knew what baptism was (immersion: in this case in water) and was for: in John's case, to be associated with having a repentant heart and drawing closer to God.

So there was a traditional precedent for water baptism even before John. Jesus, in His perfect knowledge and divine planning (through the Holy Spirit) adopted baptism in water as the point in time in which a person's salvation is sealed and effected. It is when one is immersed in water that the Holy Spirit unites us with Jesus death and resurrection (Rom 6:3 and also see Col 2:11-14).

You wrote that there was a traditional precedent for water baptism EVEN before John , and do you have verse for that I can study those verse ??

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

You wrote that there was a traditional precedent for water baptism EVEN before John , and do you have verse for that I can study those verse ??

dan p

The clue to this begins in that when John came baptizing in the wilderness, the writers of Scripture assume that the people to whom they are writing know what is meant (Mark 1:4-5). And as described in the quote below, the practice began in the tradition of the elders based on commandments in the Law.

Concerning the origin of baptism, Christian theologians suggest that, although baptism was used by John the Baptist, baptism itself did not originate with Christians or, for that matter, with John. Jews practiced baptism as a traditional act of purification and the initiation of converts to Judaism long before the coming of the Messiah. The origins of baptism might be found in the book of Leviticus where the Levite priests were commanded to perform a symbolic cleansing in water before and after performing their priestly duties. Leviticus 16:4 tells us, “He is to put on the sacred linen tunic, with linen undergarments next to his body; he is to tie the linen sash around him and put on the linen turban. These are sacred garments; so he must bathe himself with water before he puts them on.” Scripture also states in Leviticus 16:23-24, "Then Aaron is to go into the Tent of Meeting and take off the linen garments he put on before he entered the Most Holy Place, and he is to leave them there. He shall bathe himself with water in a holy place and put on his regular garments. Then he shall come out and sacrifice the burnt offering for himself and the burnt offering for the people, to make atonement for himself and for the people.”

Although the act described in these Old Testament passages was not specifically called “baptism,” it does highlight how important and holy ceremonial (and practical) cleansing is to God. John’s “baptism of repentance” (Luke 3:3; Acts 19:4) followed this paradigm of cleansing, although the final cleansing from sin is only available through Christ, and John’s baptism was the foreshadowing of that. The significance of baptism as a New Testament ceremony is that, as believers in Jesus Christ, we are baptized into His death (Romans 6:3) and raised to walk in newness of life (Romans 6:4 KJV). The Lord taught the significance of baptism to the extent that He Himself was baptized by John the Baptist at the start of His ministry (Mark 1:9). (from GOT)

For some additional reading on the history from outside Scripture:

What is the pre-Christian history of the baptismal ceremony?

What is the history of baptism or the baptismal ceremony? John the Baptist baptized Jews before Christ came on the scene. Where did he come by the practice of baptism?Depending on which Reformer you agree ...

www.christianitytoday.com

 

[Dan Perez]

To start, I am going to borrow the quote below:
Toward the beginning of the Christian era, the Jews adopted (as a custom unrelated to Divine guidance) the custom of baptizing proselytes seven days after their circumcision. A series of specific interrogations made it possible to judge the real intentions of the candidate who wished to adopt the Jewish religion. After submitting to these interrogations, he was circumcised and later baptized before witnesses. In the baptism, he was immersed naked in a pool of flowing water; when he rose from the pool, he was a true son of Israel. After their baptism, new converts were allowed access to the sacrifices in the Temple.

When John the Baptist came on the scene in the first century Jewish world, his teaching included the necessity of baptism. The people of his day were familiar with the act or practice of baptism as just discussed. However, John's baptism was not based on or authorized by the Jewish law or pagan religious customs and traditions. John was called to preach by God, armed only with the Word of God (Luke 3:2). Jesus tells us that the baptism that John taught was from heaven, not from men ( Matt 21:25). When John preached a baptism for the remission of sins, the people heard and obeyed. They submitted to the baptism that had been authorized by God. It was the first time in human history in which a person had the opportunity to be baptized for the remission of his sins, pagan and Jewish religious customs, notwithstanding. A necessary refinement in the administration of baptism had to be made following the death of Jesus, however, as Acts 19:1-7 points out. Rather than submitting to the baptism of John, which was a baptism of repentance, we can now be baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

As this indicates, there was a practice of water baptism in Jewish tradition in the late first century BC and the early first century AD. When John came baptizing, the people knew what he was talking about, and knew what baptism was (immersion: in this case in water) and was for: in John's case, to be associated with having a repentant heart and drawing closer to God.

So there was a traditional precedent for water baptism even before John. Jesus, in His perfect knowledge and divine planning (through the Holy Spirit) adopted baptism in water as the point in time in which a person's salvation is sealed and effected. It is when one is immersed in water that the Holy Spirit unites us with Jesus death and resurrection (Rom 6:3 and also see Col 2:11-14).

And Rom 6:3 reads , That as many as BAPTIZO into Christ , were BAPTIZO into his DEATH ?

If BAPTISM // BAPTIZO always means WATER , how were we WATER BAPTIZED into his DEATH ??

Then in Col 2:2 reads Having been buried together with Him in the BAPTISMA is the Greek here , and how we be BIURIED with Him ?

Also the did not see the Greek word for WATER , in Rom 6:3 or verse 4 ??

What happened there ?

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

And Rom 6:3 reads , That as many as BAPTIZO into Christ , were BAPTIZO into his DEATH ?
If BAPTISM // BAPTIZO always means WATER , how were we WATER BAPTIZED into his DEATH ??

As I have said many times, baptizo does not mean water, it means "to immerse". It can be immersion into water, a language, a philosophy, a lifestyle, or anything else. But NT baptism is always immersion into water, because that is the example that the Apostles and the early Church left us, and the instruction that God gave us in His Word (see below).

Then in Col 2:2 reads Having been buried together with Him in the BAPTISMA is the Greek here , and how we be BIURIED with Him ?

We are buried with Christ in the water when we are plunged beneath (immersed into) it. That is where the Holy Spirit removes our sins. That is where we are united with Christ in His death and resurrection.

Also the did not see the Greek word for WATER , in Rom 6:3 or verse 4 ??
What happened there ?

The word water is not in Rom 6:3 or 4. But then, it does not need to be. There is only one baptism of any significance in the NT Church (Eph 4:4-6). And that baptism is one that man does (Matt 28:19). And that baptism must include water (1 Pet 3:21). And that baptism is the one in which we are saved (our sins are forgiven and cut from us (Col 2:11-14), we are united with Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14), and we are added to the Church (Acts 2:38-41, Gal 3:26-27)).

 

[Dan Perez]

As I have said many times, baptizo does not mean water, it means "to immerse". It can be immersion into water, a language, a philosophy, a lifestyle, or anything else. But NT baptism is always immersion into water, because that is the example that the Apostles and the early Church left us, and the instruction that God gave us in His Word (see below).

We are buried with Christ in the water when we are plunged beneath (immersed into) it. That is where the Holy Spirit removes our sins. That is where we are united with Christ in His death and resurrection.

The word water is not in Rom 6:3 or 4. But then, it does not need to be. There is only one baptism of any significance in the NT Church (Eph 4:4-6). And that baptism is one that man does (Matt 28:19). And that baptism must include water (1 Pet 3:21). And that baptism is the one in which we are saved (our sins are forgiven and cut from us (Col 2:11-14), we are united with Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14), and we are added to the Church (Acts 2:38-41, Gal 3:26-27)).

You refenced 1 Peter 3:21 and the Greek word BAPTISM is not in the Greek !

It is the Greek word BAPTISMA and does not mean WAYTER BAPTISM , PERIOD !!

And where do you see the Greek word IMMERSE found in the bible ?

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

You refenced 1 Peter 3:21 and the Greek word BAPTISM is not in the Greek !

It is the Greek word BAPTISMA and does not mean WAYTER BAPTISM , PERIOD !!

And where do you see the Greek word IMMERSE found in the bible ?

dan p

We have been through this already, Dan.
Baptisma is the Greek noun for "immersion" which contrasts directly with the Greek verb baptismo which is "to immerse".
And again, IMMERSE is not a Greek word; it is English. The Greek word is baptisma.

 

[Dan Perez]

We have been through this already, Dan.
Baptisma is the Greek noun for "immersion" which contrasts directly with the Greek verb baptismo which is "to immerse".
And again, IMMERSE is not a Greek word; it is English. The Greek word is baptisma.

We do agree that it is a noun , But not immersion .

The Greek word BAPTO // DIP is the only Greek that is a possibility .

dan p

 

[Doug Brents]

We do agree that it is a noun , But not immersion .

The Greek word BAPTO // DIP is the only Greek that is a possibility .

dan p

Lexicon :: Strong's G908 - baptisma​

βάπτισμα​

Transliteration
baptisma
Pronunciation
bap'-tis-mah
Part of Speech
neuter noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From βαπτίζω (G907)
Greek Inflections of βάπτισμα [?]

1. immersion, submersion
   
   1. of calamities and afflictions with which one is quite overwhelmed
   2. of John's baptism, that purification rite by which men on confessing their sins were bound to spiritual reformation, obtained the pardon of their past sins and became qualified for the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom soon to be set up. This was valid Christian baptism, as this was the only baptism the apostles received and it is not recorded anywhere that they were ever rebaptised after Pentecost.
   3. of Christian baptism; a rite of immersion in water as commanded by Christ, by which one after confessing his sins and professing his faith in Christ, having been born again by the Holy Spirit unto a new life, identifies publicly with the fellowship of Christ and the church.
      
      In Rom 6:3, Paul states we are "baptised unto death" meaning that we are not only dead to our former ways, but they are buried. To return to them is as unthinkable for a Christian as for one to dig up a dead corpse! See also discussion of baptism under the previous Strong's number (907).

 

[Dan Perez]

Lexicon :: Strong's G908 - baptisma​

βάπτισμα​

Transliteration
baptisma
Pronunciation
bap'-tis-mah
Part of Speech
neuter noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From βαπτίζω (G907)
Greek Inflections of βάπτισμα [?]

1. immersion, submersion
   1. of calamities and afflictions with which one is quite overwhelmed
   2. of John's baptism, that purification rite by which men on confessing their sins were bound to spiritual reformation, obtained the pardon of their past sins and became qualified for the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom soon to be set up. This was valid Christian baptism, as this was the only baptism the apostles received and it is not recorded anywhere that they were ever rebaptised after Pentecost.
   3. of Christian baptism; a rite of immersion in water as commanded by Christ, by which one after confessing his sins and professing his faith in Christ, having been born again by the Holy Spirit unto a new life, identifies publicly with the fellowship of Christ and the church.
      
      In Rom 6:3, Paul states we are "baptised unto death" meaning that we are not only dead to our former ways, but they are buried. To return to them is as unthinkable for a Christian as for one to dig up a dead corpse! See also discussion of baptism under the previous Strong's number (907).

And when reading Rom 6:3 Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTISZED // BAPTISO into Christ Jesus were BAPTIZED // BAPTISO into his Death .

If anyone believes in WATER BAPTISM , how are you WATER BAPTIZED INTO His Death /

nd is verse 4 , Therefore , we were BURIED TOGETHER with Him through this BAPTISMA INTO death , so how does that Happen ??

Your thoughts as to how we are WATER BAPTIZED into his Death ?

dan p