how can anyone believe in creationism

[IreneAdler]

so if creation occurred you think it's a a contridiction that evolution of species can also occur?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

so if creation occurred you think it's a a contridiction that evolution of species can also occur?

Even if Creationism is true, species would still evolve: populations of organisms would still experience a change in the frequency of inheritable traits over time, no matter when or how those species came into being. In that sense, evolution and creationism are compatible.

However, the theory of common descent states that all life is descended from a single common ancestor that lived billions of years ago. Creationism (of the 'God poofed everything into being a few thousand years ago' variety) is incompatible with that theory. Unfortunately, that theory underpins all of modern biology.

 

[IreneAdler]

right, but that's a theory as well.
and like I said, not all Christians are from the "poof it happened a few thousand years ago" camp.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

right, but that's a theory as well.
and like I said, not all Christians are from the "poof it happened a few thousand years ago" camp.

Indeed. So it depends on what you mean by 'Creation'. Nonetheless, the theory of common descent, as it stands today, is by far the most probably explanation because of the mountain of evidence supporting it.

 

[IreneAdler]

Right. lol. Like it matters where you are when I say "what color is the sky". (ignoring the technical answer of course and leaning on the subjective responses : blue, white, gray, black)

but you have eliminated people's personal experiences with their "deity" whether it be God, or YHVH, or Buddah, or whoever. For some people, the evidence of their reality is proved by their feelings, etc. making the theories for some type of creation more plausible to them, whether it be "poof couple thousand years" or "poof the life that was at the beginning in evolution was made by god"

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Right. lol. Like it matters where you are when I say "what color is the sky". (ignoring the technical answer of course and leaning on the subjective responses : blue, white, gray, black)

but you have eliminated people's personal experiences with their "deity" whether it be God, or YHVH, or Buddah, or whoever. For some people, the evidence of their reality is proved by their feelings, etc. making the theories for some type of creation more plausible to them, whether it be "poof couple thousand years" or "poof the life that was at the beginning in evolution was made by god"

People are entitled to believe whatever they like for whatever reason they like. They are free to believe or disbelieve the theories based soley on empirical evidence, if they so wish.

 

[IreneAdler]

right, but the thread title discounts that whole notion (just sayin)

 

[Nostromo]

Irene, is it better that people believe things that are based on feelings, or things that can be tested and shown to be true time and time again? Is there any kind of difference?

 

[IreneAdler]

I don't necessarily believe the evolutional theory has been proven over and over. Evolution is clearly evident just in human morphology and DNA, but that doesn't preclude that life was created vs. poofed into existance in the right environmental circumstances.

And belief, and disbelief, are based on feelings. Everything we do is based on feelings, even logical thought. What drives people to seek logic? (desire)

 

[Nostromo]

I'm not asking about specific things, I'm asking you which is better in principle.

 

[IreneAdler]

I am talking about principle. ALL motivtion/decision is based on emotion/or the attempted denial of emotion at some point, so there is no way to have processes without both. And frankly I'd rather be led by feelings. They are more genuine IMO than logic is (on an individual basis)

 

[Nostromo]

If I ask you how many rooms are in your house, which feelings do you use to give me an answer?

 

[IreneAdler]

I consider whether my storage room or the abandoned office attached to the house on the outside are really rooms and dismiss one because my ex husband built it and I still have bad feelings about that time. So I say 7.

 

[Nostromo]

That doesn't really answer my question.

 

[IreneAdler]

Yes it does. It answers your question from my perspective. Not to mention, why mention a room if it's not being used.

 

[Nostromo]

Your motivation and decisions might be based in feeling, but what has that got to do with investigation, observation, logic, maths and all the rest?

 

[IreneAdler]

they have their place, but not in exclusion of feeling.

 

[Nostromo]

But you didn't count the rooms of your house with desperation, or happiness. You counted them using a combination of observations and mathematics.

 

[IreneAdler]

I counted them while in tune to my feelings of betrayal and disgust.

 

[Nostromo]

But had you been happy or jealous or angry or any other feeling, would you have come up with a different number?