Contempt For Ordinary Voters Undermines Opposition To Trump

[KCfromNC]

When laws change the numbers might change, but the on ground reality still says high crime to people who know what crime is.

The only reality that's been posted so far has been hard data showing crime numbers dropping.

 

[KCfromNC]

Only a liberal would believe that making sure voting is secure would believe doing so would disincentivised people to vote.

Empty assertion is empty.
Meanwhile, back in reality, we see things like this going on : Court: North Carolina Voter ID Law Targeted Black Voters

the Republican-controlled general assembly requested and received data on voters’ use of various voting practices by race. It found that African American voters in North Carolina are more likely to vote early, use same-day voter registration and straight-ticket voting. They were also disproportionately less likely to have an ID, more likely to cast a provisional ballot and take advantage of pre-registration.​

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Then, the court, said, lawmakers restricted all of these voting options, and further narrowed the list of acceptable voter IDs.​

 

[Vambram]

It is racist, in my opinion, to believe that, blacks and other minorities, cannot have ID'S in order to vote. Do minorities need ID's in order to have a job, a bank account, a driver's license, or anything else in which 99% of people use state issued ID? The answer is obviously, "Yes."

 

[Vambram]

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More Americans See U.S. Crime Problem as Serious

A new high of 63% of U.S. adults say the crime problem in the U.S. is extremely or very serious.

news.gallup.com

 

[Bradskii]

More Americans See U.S. Crime Problem as Serious

A new high of 63% of U.S. adults say the crime problem in the U.S. is extremely or very serious.

news.gallup.com

From the link:

'Still, crime does not appear to be a top-of-mind concern for Americans, as just 3% name it as the most important problem facing the country, far behind other issues, including the government (19%), the economy (14%), inflation (14%) and immigration (13%). In 1994, an average of 42% of Americans across four separate surveys named crime as the most important problem facing the U.S.

Looks like y'all becoming less worried about it. Not more. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Vambram]

From the link:

'Still, crime does not appear to be a top-of-mind concern for Americans, as just 3% name it as the most important problem facing the country, far behind other issues, including the government (19%), the economy (14%), inflation (14%) and immigration (13%). In 1994, an average of 42% of Americans across four separate surveys named crime as the most important problem facing the U.S.

Looks like y'all becoming less worried about it. Not more. Thanks for the confirmation.

The survey still confirms that a majority of Americans believe rising crime is a real problem.

 

[Bradskii]

The survey still confirms that a majority of Americans believe rising crime is a real problem.

'Still, crime does not appear to be a top-of-mind concern for Americans...'

 

[Pommer]

The survey still confirms that a majority of Americans believe rising crime is a real problem.

“Rising crime” is a problem no matter when it occurs.
But overall, it’s been lowering save for a very decent uptick.
It’s a “real problem” only if one disregards the forest when viewing the trees.

 

[Bradskii]

“Rising crime” is a problem no matter when it occurs.
But overall, it’s been lowering save for a very decent uptick.
It’s a “real problem” only if one disregards the forest when viewing the trees.

Data from the link....

Did you do that poll on what people think is really important in the US right now?
Yeah. Interviewed 100 people. Got the figures right here.
So what was top?
Economic problems. Nearly a third said that.
Anything else with that many?
Yeah. Immigration was high. 28. And then government at 19.
Sounds good. Nothing else?
Let's see. Cost of living. Eleven said they were worried most about that. But poverty and unifying the country were down at at 4.
Looks like we're all done. That it?
Well, pretty much. Family was just 3. Racism the same. Hardly registered. Oh, and I think foreign aid was 3 as well.
OK, we'll ignore those. But you didn't mention crime?
Umm...let me see...oh yeah. Here it is. Nah, just another 3.
So we're done. Write that up. Good work. What's the title going to be?
I was thinking 'A Majority Of Americans Believe Rising Crime Is A Real Problem'

 

[KCfromNC]

It is racist, in my opinion, to believe that, blacks and other minorities, cannot have ID'S in order to vote.

That's nice. Does anyone actually believe that, though, or is it just made up to avoid talking about how GOP legislators are actively working to make it harder for minorities to vote?

 

[Vambram]

That's nice. Does anyone actually believe that, though, or is it just made up to avoid talking about how GOP legislators are actively working to make it harder for minorities to vote?

Apparently, only liberals believe it is difficult to have a state issued ID.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Apparently, only liberals believe it is difficult to have a state issued ID.

No, Republicans believe that, too. That's why, in North Carolina, they sought out demographic data on who had what forms of ID, before taking steps to disenfranchise those groups that tended to vote Democrat:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/inside-the-republican-creation-of-the-north-carolina-voting-bill-dubbed-the-monster-law/2016/09/01/79162398-6adf-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html

 

[Vambram]

No GOP leader is attempting to disenfranchised voters. I refuse to accept that narrative. If 99.9% of Americans need state ID for bank accounts, for drivers license, to get a job, or to receive state and/or federal government aid, then it ain't a legitimate problem for an American voter to have a state issued ID in order to cast a vote. This is plain logic. Logic that is clear and understandable. I don't know why it appears that liberals seem to have a problem accepting that logic.

 

[discombobulated1]

a lot of politicians spend their time in Congress working on re-election and certainly not on issues the People care about.

Ron DeSantis mentions this in his book, but I've known about it for many years.

There should be term limits. then the person knows he or she only has X number of years to get anything done, no re-election to think about.

And incumbents always have the advantage. .. free stampage, paid staff, etc

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

a lot of politicians spend their time in Congress working on re-election and certainly not on issues the People care about.

Ron DeSantis mentions this in his book, but I've known about it for many years.

There should be term limits. then the person knows he or she only has X number of years to get anything done, no re-election to think about.

And incumbents always have the advantage. .. free stampage, paid staff, etc

Better than term limits, I say we end running for office if you hold office. Meaning if Biden wanted to run again in 2024, he would have had to resign by January 1, 2024. DeSantis would have had to step down as Governor of Florida by the same date.

If you are in office, you work for us, not trying to get another job. You can serve as often as you like, but you need to be out of office if you want to run for office.

 

[KCfromNC]

Apparently, only liberals believe it is difficult to have a state issued ID.

GOP legislators looked specifically at which forms of ID were least likely to be owned by minority groups. So they didn't need belief, they used data to figure out how to disenfranchise voters.

 

[KCfromNC]

No GOP leader is attempting to disenfranchised voters. I refuse to accept that narrative.

It's not a narrative, it's the findings of fact of a legal case.
Although I guess refusing to accept facts is at the heart of many right-wing fairy tales.

 

[Pommer]

Better than term limits, I say we end running for office if you hold office. Meaning if Biden wanted to run again in 2024, he would have had to resign by January 1, 2024. DeSantis would have had to step down as Governor of Florida by the same date.

If you are in office, you work for us, not trying to get another job. You can serve as often as you like, but you need to be out of office if you want to run for office.

So elected officials would serve a three year term and then the office goes vacant for a year?
(How is this “better”?)

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

So elected officials would serve a three year term and then the office goes vacant for a year?
(How is this “better”?)

Good point. Change it so once you are elected, you are ineligible to run for any office until your current one has another election.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Better than term limits, I say we end running for office if you hold office. Meaning if Biden wanted to run again in 2024, he would have had to resign by January 1, 2024. DeSantis would have had to step down as Governor of Florida by the same date.

If you are in office, you work for us, not trying to get another job. You can serve as often as you like, but you need to be out of office if you want to run for office.

I can appreciate the desire to not want office-holders to be using work time to campaign, but exactly what sort of person would this attract?

Politics is a career that, I imagine, like any career, takes a while to get good at. This plan would have the person either forever resigning themselves to whatever their first office was, or switching careers every 4-8 years. Imagine telling somebody at work that if they want a promotion, they have to switch careers for a few years first.

With this, and with term limits, you'd just wind up with a bunch of noobs in office.