Columbia prez must go: She’s now privileging antisemitic protesters over all other students

[rambot]

Because they have violated the law. Just because someone is a Democrat or leans that way does not mean he or she should be exempted from the law.

You keep saying that and you keep being wrong.

Just because you say "they have violated the law" doesn't mean they have. Do you understand "free speech"?

Full disclosure, I'm am NOT a free speech advocate so I am not burdenned by hypocrisy I just have right leaners judge me when I say speech should have limits.
But point out the statutes they have violated.

What happenned to "defend to the death your right to say it"?

 

[Valletta]

You keep saying that and you keep being wrong.

Just because you say "they have violated the law" doesn't mean they have. Do you understand "free speech"?

Full disclosure, I'm am NOT a free speech advocate so I am not burdenned by hypocrisy I just have right leaners judge me when I say speech should have limits.
But point out the statutes they have violated.

What happenned to "defend to the death your right to say it"?

Hate crimes are against the law. It is a hate crime to, based on religion, interfere with a student's right to go to classes.

 

[rambot]

Hate crimes are against the law. It is a hate crime to, based on religion, interfere with a student's right to go to classes.

yes....a CRIME.
But talking isn't a crime.

Those students are NOT blocked from going to classes; as far as I have read. Their feeling of discomfort is not a crime.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Somedays it seems like we have arrived at a point where any criticism of the nation of Israel is labeled as antisemitism and a hate crime. Have they become above reproach?

 

[Desk trauma]

Somedays it seems like we have arrived at a point where any criticism of the nation of Israel is labeled as antisemitism and a hate crime. Have they become above reproach?

That has been the line for years.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Freedom of speech is important, and the pro-Hamas people do not have any right to take away the rights of Jews.

No, but they do have the right to flap their gums, as long they are not inspiring some imminent lawless action.

Hate crimes are illegal in this country

It would help if you understood what a hate crime is.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines a hate crime as a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. Hate itself is not a hate crime but committing a crime motivated by bias against one or more of the social groups listed above, or by bias against their derivatives constitutes a hate crime.

 

[Valletta]

No, but they do have the right to flap their gums, as long they are not inspiring some imminent lawless action.


It would help if you understood what a hate crime is.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines a hate crime as a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. Hate itself is not a hate crime but committing a crime motivated by bias against one or more of the social groups listed above, or by bias against their derivatives constitutes a hate crime.

You need to brush up on the law. As I correctly stated: "It is a hate crime to, based on religion, interfere with a student's right to go to classes." That's what has happened.

 

[essentialsaltes]

As I correctly stated: "It is a hate crime to, based on religion, interfere with a student's right to go to classes."

I doubt that.

That's what has happened.

I doubt that also.

 

[rambot]

Somedays it seems like we have arrived at a point where any criticism of the nation of Israel is labeled as antisemitism and a hate crime. Have they become above reproach?

To some they always have been. Those who don't understand Jewish prophesies well.

 

[rambot]

No, but they do have the right to flap their gums, as long they are not inspiring some imminent lawless action.


It would help if you understood what a hate crime is.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines a hate crime as a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. Hate itself is not a hate crime but committing a crime motivated by bias against one or more of the social groups listed above, or by bias against their derivatives constitutes a hate crime.

 

[rambot]

You need to brush up on the law. As I correctly stated: "It is a hate crime to, based on religion, interfere with a student's right to go to classes." That's what has happened.

Lol!

Not sure where you live fella, but you're proclamations and wishes doesn't make it true on its own.

Citation? And for the record "Big Gerald's Freedom Blog" ain't gonna cut it.

 

[Valletta]

Lol!

Not sure where you live fella, but you're proclamations and wishes doesn't make it true on its own.

Citation? And for the record "Big Gerald's Freedom Blog" ain't gonna cut it.

Alan Dershowitz is a Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, who has been called "the best-known criminal lawyer in the world." Dershowitz takes an opposite legal position than yours. Here's the transcript of the relevant section from a recent interview of Dershowitz on the Larry Kudlow Show:

Kudlow: I look at this and I say to myself, you've got these college presidents and big time schools. You've got the boards of directors who are really running the show. They are afraid to label these anti-Semitic statements as hate crimes. Just say they're they're hate crime. I mean, am I wrong about that? Who are really running the show? They are afraid to label these anti-Semitic statements as hate crimes. Just say that right there. Hate crime. I mean, am I wrong about that?

Dershowitz: No, you're 100% right.

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You may consider your legal views on hate crimes superior to his, you have that right.

 

[Aldebaran]

Lol!

Not sure where you live fella, but you're proclamations and wishes doesn't make it true on its own.

Citation? And for the record "Big Gerald's Freedom Blog" ain't gonna cut it.

Do you believe a group of students have the right to intimidate other students (based on who they are) from going to class at the University where they have paid tuition?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Alan Dershowitz is a Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, who has been called "the best-known criminal lawyer in the world." Dershowitz takes an opposite legal position than yours. Here's the transcript of the relevant section from a recent interview of Dershowitz on the Larry Kudlow Show:

Kudlow: I look at this and I say to myself, you've got these college presidents and big time schools. You've got the boards of directors who are really running the show. They are afraid to label these anti-Semitic statements as hate crimes. Just say they're they're hate crime. I mean, am I wrong about that? Who are really running the show? They are afraid to label these anti-Semitic statements as hate crimes. Just say that right there. Hate crime. I mean, am I wrong about that?

Dershowitz: No, you're 100% right.

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You may consider your legal views on hate crimes superior to his, you have that right.

Dershowitz's legal opinions seem more like those of the Frank N. Furter Professor of Law. The same guy who complained that “I never thought I would see McCarthyism come to Martha’s Vineyard, but I have." because the elites on the island didn't like him anymore.

 

[rambot]

Do you believe a group of students have the right to intimidate other students (based on who they are) from going to class at the University where they have paid tuition?

I dunno. Do you believe in free speech or not?

It's a very very simple question.
If think they should be jailed, you do NOT believe in free speech.
Period. You cannot justify it.

Alan Dershowitz's and Kudlows incredulity is not the legal basis for an opinion.
Did you even notice they didn't justify their opinion by quoting relevant statues?

If you believe they should be able to say those things you believe in free speech.

I know my answer.

 

[JosephZ]

Columbia University student Jon Ben-Menachem gives firsthand account of Israel-Gaza war protests on campus.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Do you believe a group of students have the right to intimidate other students (based on who they are) from going to class at the University where they have paid tuition?

"Intimidation" can be a criminal act, in which case it would not be lawful. But if we're talking about a lawful protest, then the fact that some people "feel intimidated" is not an adequate reason to deem the protest unlawful.

Separate from the legal aspects, these schools no doubt have Codes of Conduct and generally support wicked things like DEI. So if some of the protestors' conduct is sufficiently harassing to a particular chunk of the diverse and inclusive student body, there might be cause for administrative action from the schools.

 

[Aldebaran]

I dunno. Do you believe in free speech or not?

It's a very very simple question.
If think they should be jailed, you do NOT believe in free speech.
Period. You cannot justify it.

Alan Dershowitz's and Kudlows incredulity is not the legal basis for an opinion.
Did you even notice they didn't justify their opinion by quoting relevant statues?

If you believe they should be able to say those things you believe in free speech.

I know my answer.

Free speech isn't an absolute right.
Speaking freely isn't the same as forming mobs to intimidate people based on who they are.

 

[Aldebaran]

"Intimidation" can be a criminal act, in which case it would not be lawful. But if we're talking about a lawful protest, then the fact that some people "feel intimidated" is not an adequate reason to deem the protest unlawful.

Separate from the legal aspects, these schools no doubt have Codes of Conduct and generally support wicked things like DEI. So if some of the protestors' conduct is sufficiently harassing to a particular chunk of the diverse and inclusive student body, there might be cause for administrative action from the schools.

The "protest" clearly isn't lawful, as evidenced by the fact that police have had to remove these people, and the "protesters" have become violent.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The "protest" clearly isn't lawful, as evidenced by the fact that police have had to remove these people, and the "protesters" have become violent.

I haven't followed Columbia closely, but I understand there were 100+ arrests for trespassing. Not intimidation or violence.

But whichever campus we're looking at, obviously we can distinguish between literal violence, threats and/or incitement on one hand and lawful protest/civil disobedience on the other.