the myth of flat earth debunked again

[Ophiolite]

Just as in 2017, I saw the sun completely blocked by the moon today, right on schedule. If NASA is wrong about everything, why are they right about eclipses?

I was pondering the possible responses to this point by the FE conspiracy theorists and came up with this hypothesis. (More of a speculation than a proper hypothesis.) There is likely evolutionary survival value in questioning how things have been done in the past, which means questioning authority, which in outlier form can mean completely mistrusting authority. This questioning approach is especially strong in the young, where it is often undisciplined. Most people pass through this phase either to indifference, or to the point where they learn how to critically question their own questions. But a minority never do and retain that juvenile distrust of authority, assiduously ignoring any evidence that suggests they are wrong.

 

[Phil G]

I was pondering the possible responses to this point by the FE conspiracy theorists and came up with this hypothesis. (More of a speculation than a proper hypothesis.) There is likely evolutionary survival value in questioning how things have been done in the past, which means questioning authority, which in outlier form can mean completely mistrusting authority. This questioning approach is especially strong in the young, where it is often undisciplined. Most people pass through this phase either to indifference, or to the point where they learn how to critically question their own questions. But a minority never do and retain that juvenile distrust of authority, assiduously ignoring any evidence that suggests they are wrong.

I agree that mistrust of authority is a key factor in FE conspiracy theorists' claims. Somehow it morphs into "they (the satanic Elite) are out to get you" even when it comes to basic verifiable observations, especially of physics and astronomy. The deeper I dig into the claims, the more paranoid and sinister they become. Some people may get innocently sucked into this mindset because they are looking for purpose and a sense of belonging, but I'm convinced that others who are peddling the stuff know that it's all a con.

 

[Estrid]

I was pondering the possible responses to this point by the FE conspiracy theorists and came up with this hypothesis. (More of a speculation than a proper hypothesis.) There is likely evolutionary survival value in questioning how things have been done in the past, which means questioning authority, which in outlier form can mean completely mistrusting authority. This questioning approach is especially strong in the young, where it is often undisciplined. Most people pass through this phase either to indifference, or to the point where they learn how to critically question their own questions. But a minority never do and retain that juvenile distrust of authority, assiduously ignoring any evidence that suggests they are wrong.

Or arrogantly ignoring

 

[contratodo]

This is a well understood phenomena known as limb darkening and only occurs when the sun is a sphere, not a circular disk and is caused by variations in the solar atmosphere temperature which increases with depth.

How is it that you can capture the limb darkening of the suns sphere from 93 million miles away? Is not what we see just a light from the sun and not the sun itself? Or did you take a picture of the moon and sun, themselves?

 

[contratodo]

Also in the southern hemisphere, Orion, which is near the celestial equator, is seen upside down

You should have a completely different set of stars to see, not seeing any from the other side at all.

 

[Estrid]

How is it that you can capture the limb darkening of the suns sphere from 93 million miles away? Is not what we see just a light from the sun and not the sun itself? Or did you take a picture of the moon and sun, themselves?

How do you see anything other than by the light
coming from it?

 

[contratodo]

I'm in Sydney and I can't see the North star. If I'm in London I can't see the Southern Cross. Why can't I see both?

Because of the distance, just like looking down a long hall or a road, you can only see so far, sometimes more than 3 miles worth of seeing,
all depending on what is in your view and what is on your views horizon line.

 

[Phil G]

You should have a completely different set of stars to see, not seeing any from the other side at all.

There are constellations & stars near the celestial equator which can be seen from both hemispheres, unless you happen to be near the poles.

But I cannot see the bright and very clear constellation of the Southern Cross at all in the northern hemisphere. And those in the southern hemisphere cannot see the Big Dipper unless they are nearer to the equator. These are facts & cannot be explained by a flat earth.

Also the constellations near the celestial equator are upside down in the southern hemisphere compared to the northern, as is the moon.

 

[Phil G]

Because of the distance, just like looking down a long hall or a road, you can only see so far, sometimes more than 3 miles worth of seeing,
all depending on what is in your view and what is on your views horizon line.

This is nonsense.

 

[contratodo]

How do you see anything other than by the light
coming from it?

If it is 93 million miles away and so very big one should not be able to capture the spherical edges of it, only a bright light.

Yes, the light is how we see it,
but given the distance and the great size we certainly should not be able to see the spherical part of it, only just light.
The globe should be bathed in a ray of solid light,
and we should not be able to see the outer edges of the sun.
This is the supposed scale:

With the math they give us:

The diameter of the earth is 7917.5 miles.
The diameter of the sun is 864,938 miles.

How many earths could line up to the sun? 11,746.131
You could line up 109 earths across the face of the sun.

109 / 11,746.131= .0092796

.0092796 * 864,938 = 8,026 miles across worth of sun to see from earth.

 

[contratodo]

There are constellations & stars near the celestial equator which can be seen from both hemispheres, unless you happen to be near the poles.

But I cannot see the bright and very clear constellation of the Southern Cross at all in the northern hemisphere. And those in the southern hemisphere cannot see the Big Dipper unless they are nearer to the equator. These are facts & cannot be explained by a flat earth.

There should be a vast array of stars all around us, at least 2 completely different sets of stars, if not 3 and 4 if we are really on a ball.
One set of stars for each face of the ball.

What we experience with the stars is clear evidence that the earth is stationary and flat,
we all look up and generally see the same stars.

 

[Phil G]

There should be a vast array of stars all around us, at least 2 completely different sets of stars, if not 3 and 4 if we are really on a ball.
One set of stars for each face of the ball.

What we experience with the stars is clear evidence that the earth is stationary and flat,
we all look up and generally see the same stars.

They are not “generally the same stars”. For some reason you’re in denial of the reality.

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[Akita Suggagaki]

There should be a vast array of stars all around us, at least 2 completely different sets of stars, if not 3 and 4 if we are really on a ball.
One set of stars for each face of the ball.

What we experience with the stars is clear evidence that the earth is stationary and flat,
we all look up and generally see the same stars.

On a flat earth how and why is it that some stars come from the Eastern and go past the Western horizon while other stars like Polaris (or Sigma Octantis in the South) seem to move less?

 

[contratodo]

They are not “generally the same stars”. For some reason you’re in denial of the reality.

Shifting Perspectives: Orion is Upside Down!

What do you see when you look up at the stars? A chance remark I made the other day in response to Frank Prem’s illustrated poem, Southern Stars for Christmas, raised a question or two about what w…

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We can all see some of the same stars

This should not be if people are on opposite sides of a ball.

On a better and clearer star chart one can see that many constellations and stars are on both sides.

 

[contratodo]

On a flat earth how and why is it that some stars come from the Eastern and go past the Western horizon while other stars like Polaris (or Sigma Octantis in the South) seem to move less?

Polaris does not move it is in the middle.
The 'north pole' is in the middle of the dome around us. Sigma is a star at one far end of the domes wall.

 

[Phil G]

Shifting Perspectives: Orion is Upside Down!

What do you see when you look up at the stars? A chance remark I made the other day in response to Frank Prem’s illustrated poem, Southern Stars for Christmas, raised a question or two about what w…

lunas-online.com

This should not be if people are on opposite sides of a ball.

On a better and clearer star chart one can see that many constellations and stars are on both sides.

You’re not really understanding the concept. The nearer the stars are to the celestial poles, the more exclusive they are to one hemisphere. Those that are nearer the celestial equator will be seen in both, but the constellations will seen to be upside down compared to the other hemisphere.

That’s impossible on a flat earth.

 

[Bradskii]

Because of the distance, just like looking down a long hall or a road, you can only see so far, sometimes more than 3 miles worth of seeing,
all depending on what is in your view and what is on your views horizon line.

It's a star, for heaven's sake. Assuming that you're in the northern hemisphere you can see the north star.

we all look up and generally see the same stars.

No you don't. You can see the north star and I can't. It's night here. I just checked. But I can see the southern cross and you can't.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Because of the distance, just like looking down a long hall or a road, you can only see so far, sometimes more than 3 miles worth of seeing,
all depending on what is in your view and what is on your views horizon line.

I've asked this question many times and you've continued to ignore it but why does your claim that human sight stops at 3 miles line up almost perfectly with the claim that the horizon is roughly 3 miles away from the observer? Now that's far too much of a coincidence, no?

But regardless, your claim is dumb.

 

[Bradskii]

Polaris does not move it is in the middle.
The 'north pole' is in the middle of the dome around us. Sigma is a star at one far end of the domes wall.

Your name is applicable. Contra todo sentido común.

 

[Phil G]

Your name is applicable. Contra todo sentido común.

There you have it!