Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[Leaf473]

Does not matter since no bible text frames days of the week that way.

In the Bible each day is "evening to evening" sunset to sunset and not "Manilla to Sinai".

Already responded to in post 835, Bob, my man!

In the Bible each day is "evening to evening" sunset to sunset and not "Seattle to Manilla".


God says "tomorrow is the Sabbath" in Ex 16.

not "tomorrow is the Sabbath in Manilla"

Already responded to in post 835.

God says "tomorrow is the Sabbath" in Ex 16.

For 40 yeas there was no manna on exactly the 7th day each week.

Already responded to in post 835.

There is a reason that everyone gets this right - the Jews and the Christians all know what day is the Bible Sabbath 7th day at Sinai. Even Muslims know it.

Already responded to in post 835.

You should be able to see by now - how this off-topic topic of yours should go to its own thread.

Already responded to in post 835.

The bible says each day is "from evening to evening" in Gen 1 and in Lev 23... period.

That's right! It doesn't say if evening of the seventh day in Manila or Seattle is before or after evening of the seventh day in Sinai.

Your what-about-the rabbits "in Austrailia international-dateline at the time of Adam keeping the 7th day Sabbath" is just nonsense that you focus on for this thread...

That's not what I'm saying

- and is simply not an issue for this topic.

It is absolutely on topic for this thread. Saturday in the Sinai, but could be Sunday in other places. It may not have been what you were thinking when you wrote the title and OP, that's definitely possible. But it's on topic.

You need a point.

Here's the point, or at least part of it

Well, if it's okay according to the scriptures to celebrate the seventh day in Manila after Sinai, then you would be celebrating it in what the government there calls Saturday evening to Sunday evening.

So if this thread title works just as well:
Why the weekly Sabbath (Sunday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

then you're right, it doesn't matter.

IN today's world - Christians and Jews agree on the days of the week where Saturday is day 7. Even in Manila

Yes, that's because they go with what their local governments have decided. If local governments governments have the authority to say where the days start, then that's fine.

Only if you ignore all of reality.

If you consider the international date line part of reality, something that God wants us to pay attention to, then you're right! I'm not aware of any scriptures that say pay attention to the international date line.

If local governments have the authority to say what day it is, that to me is a surprising conclusion from most seventh day observers.

In any case feel free to start your "7th day was never Saturday" thread where you argue that the Gospel reference to Christ raised on the first day of the week is really MONDAY. See how much traction your off-topic topic gets there because at least in that case - your discussion point will be ON topic.

It's on topic here. If you don't want to talk about it anymore, that's fine.

A random proverb
Now therefore, my sons, listen to me. Don’t depart from the words of my mouth.

 

[Leaf473]

Then you have no argument. They had the correct seventh day in Gen 2:1-3,
Israel had the correct seventh day in Ex 16 and for 40 years each week when manna did not fall

And it did not matter what rabbits were seeing at evening on opposites sides of the earth since each day has evening and morning local to its location. period.

If a person in Manila celebrates the seventh day after it is celebrated in Sinai, then they are celebrating on the day the government there is calling Sunday. Is that cool, according to the scriptures?

Why does someone in Manila need to call people in Sinai in order to look up in the sky and see if the sun is setting???

Because the sun sets every day of the week. How does a person know if the sunset they are seeing is marking the beginning of the sixth day or the beginning of the 7th Day?

They say "from evening to evening" is a day. period.

That's right! And does it matter if that evening is before or after the evening of the seventh day in Sinai? Does it matter if the local government says that it is Thursday evening, Friday evening, or Saturday evening?

A random proverb
The words of the wicked are about lying in wait for blood, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

 

[Dahveed]

There is a reason that everyone gets this right - the Jews and the Christians all know what day is the Bible Sabbath 7th day at Sinai.
Even Muslims know it.

Friday is the day of the week when Muslims around the globe typically gather at their local mosque to worship together and observe jumah.

Muslims are not partakers in the faith since in the the koran they claim that God did not permit Jesus, God's holy one to die in your place, much less did God resurrect Him to grant you eternal life. Rom 5:10

 

[Gary K]

If a person in Manila celebrates the seventh day after it is celebrated in Sinai, then they are celebrating on the day the government there is calling Sunday. Is that cool, according to the scriptures?

Because the sun sets every day of the week. How does a person know if the sunset they are seeing is marking the beginning of the sixth day or the beginning of the 7th Day?

That's right! And does it matter if that evening is before or after the evening of the seventh day in Sinai? Does it matter if the local government says that it is Thursday evening, Friday evening, or Saturday evening?

A random proverb
The words of the wicked are about lying in wait for blood, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

That's a mistake in understanding the direction of the rotation of the earth. The further a person travels west the earlier the time is because the sun "rises" later there. That's why Pacific time is three hours later than Eastern time.

What time the sun sets at Sinai is immaterial. It's the time where it rises and sets where we live. You're apparently a bigger legalist than the Pharisees were from the arguments you make.

 

[Leaf473]

That's a mistake in understanding the direction of the rotation of the earth. The further a person travels west the earlier the time is because the sun "rises" later there. That's why Pacific time is three hours later than Eastern time.

Until they hit the international date line. I'm pretty sure that's recognized in the Philippines, meaning that 19 hours later is Sunday.

What time the sun sets at Sinai is immaterial. It's the time where it rises and sets where we live.

The person I was talking to had quoted the scripture saying that Sabbath would be celebrated from sunset to sunset. That was given in Sinai.

You gotta know if you're supposed to celebrate it before or after the sunset in Sinai.

You're apparently a bigger legalist than the Pharisees were from the arguments you make.

Not at all. I'm just showing that the scriptures don't say how to deal with this.

The implication I see is that Commandments about the seventh day were intended to be local, related to a particular nation.

If a person says it's supposed to be worldwide, then it becomes a real question of sunset before or after the one in Sinai imo.

 

[Gary K]

Until they hit the international date line. I'm pretty sure that's recognized in the Philippines, meaning that 19 hours later is Sunday.

The person I was talking to had quoted the scripture saying that Sabbath would be celebrated from sunset to sunset. That was given in Sinai.

You gotta know if you're supposed to celebrate it before or after the sunset in Sinai.


Not at all. I'm just showing that the scriptures don't say how to deal with this.

The implication I see is that Commandments about the seventh day were intended to be local, related to a particular nation.

If a person says it's supposed to be worldwide, then it becomes a real question of sunset before or after the one in Sinai imo.

Jesus always planned for His church to be a world wide church. Unless you happen to believe Jesus never foresaw a global population.

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

 

[Leaf473]

Jesus always planned for His church to be a world wide church.

Amen.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 1:8 - New International Reader's Version

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you. Then you will tell people about me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria. And you will even tell other people about me from one end of the earth to the other.”

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Unless you happen to believe Jesus never foresaw a global population.

I think he knew his church would stretch to the ends of the Earth. But I don't think he intended his church to be keeping literal instructions from the Old Testament.

That is, keeping those instructions to the letter. Keeping them in principle, sure

 

[Gary K]

Amen.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 1:8 - New International Reader's Version

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you. Then you will tell people about me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria. And you will even tell other people about me from one end of the earth to the other.”

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I think he knew his church would stretch to the ends of the Earth. But I don't think he intended his church to be keeping literal instructions from the Old Testament.

That is, keeping those instructions to the letter. Keeping them in principle, sure

Well, as you know, I disagree. Like I've said before the law of God is eternal just as God is eternal so why would God, who changes not, change His mind?

Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

 

[HIM]

That's a mistake in understanding the direction of the rotation of the earth. The further a person travels west the earlier the time is because the sun "rises" later there. That's why Pacific time is three hours later than Eastern time.

What time the sun sets at Sinai is immaterial. It's the time where it rises and sets where we live. You're apparently a bigger legalist than the Pharisees were from the arguments you make.

It's sad really. It went from over scrutinizing the law to keep it to over scrutinizing it not to. Yet the Lord has made it easier for us by giving of Himself. His Spirit and therefore His Word, the law are now in our hearts and thereby we are changed. Now they are not commandments as if we do them because we have to, they are laws in that they are part of who we are. As in Nature, the law of gravity or that of thermodynamics. It just is so we do and those who don't aren't.

 

[HIM]

Until they hit the international date line. I'm pretty sure that's recognized in the Philippines, meaning that 19 hours later is Sunday.

The person I was talking to had quoted the scripture saying that Sabbath would be celebrated from sunset to sunset. That was given in Sinai.

You gotta know if you're supposed to celebrate it before or after the sunset in Sinai.


Not at all. I'm just showing that the scriptures don't say how to deal with this.

The implication I see is that Commandments about the seventh day were intended to be local, related to a particular nation.

If a person says it's supposed to be worldwide, then it becomes a real question of sunset before or after the one in Sinai imo.

Israel moved on from Sinia during the time the Sabbath was spoke by God. The time the sun set changed by minutes to several hours depending on where they were at. They were displaced all over Europe, the Middle East and Africa. So as was said your point is immaterial.

 

[Gary K]

It's sad really. It went from over scrutinizing the law to keep it to over scrutinizing it not to. Yet the Lord has made it easier for us by giving of Himself. His Spirit and therefore His Word, the law are now in our hearts and thereby we are changed. Now they are not commandments as if we do them because we have to, they are laws in that they are part of who we are. As in Nature, the law of gravity or that of thermodynamics. It just is so we do and those who don't aren't.

Yup. The love of of God in our hearts makes keeping His law easy, and makes loving others natural. It's the key to being an authentic Christian.

 

[Leaf473]

Well, as you know, I disagree. Like I've said before the law of God is eternal just as God is eternal so why would God, who changes not, change His mind?

Well, I think that works if by the law of God you mean only the Ten Commandments.

But one issue is that the scriptures refer to animal sacrifices as the law of the Lord. I mean, unless the Lord here is not God:

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 2:24 - New American Standard Bible

and to offer a sacrifice according to what has been stated in the Law of the Lord: “A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG DOVES.”

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[Leaf473]

It's sad really. It went from over scrutinizing the law to keep it to over scrutinizing it not to. Yet the Lord has made it easier for us by giving of Himself. His Spirit and therefore His Word, the law are now in our hearts and thereby we are changed. Now they are not commandments as if we do them because we have to, they are laws in that they are part of who we are. As in Nature, the law of gravity or that of thermodynamics. It just is so we do and those who don't aren't.

How about if we discuss particular laws, instead of scrutinizing them? Or is that possible?

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 11:20 - New American Standard Bible

And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates,

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[Leaf473]

Israel moved on from Sinia during the time the Sabbath was spoke by God. The time the sun set changed by minutes to several hours depending on where they were at. They were displaced all over Europe, the Middle East and Africa. So as was said your point is immaterial.

It's highly material. Israel was supposed to stick close to Jerusalem in the old Covenant.

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 34:24 - New American Standard Bible

For I will drive out nations from you and enlarge your borders, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the LORD your God.

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[Leaf473]

Yup. The love of of God in our hearts makes keeping His law easy, and makes loving others natural. It's the key to being an authentic Christian.

Do all authentic Christians have the law of God written on their heart?

 

[Gary K]

Do all authentic Christians have the law of God written on their heart?

Yes. But God accepts us where we're at spiritually which means we don't have to understand all truth to become a Christian. If God didn't do that none of us could ever become Christians.

 

[Gary K]

It's highly material. Israel was supposed to stick close to Jerusalem in the old Covenant.

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 34:24 - New American Standard Bible

For I will drive out nations from you and enlarge your borders, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the LORD your God.

www.biblegateway.com

No. Jesus told His disciples to stay in Jerusalem until what proved to be the Holy Spirit being poured out on Pentacost which enabled them to take the message to the Gentiles and have their words be given to them by the Holy Spirit so their words would reach inside people's hearts and affect them.

Act_1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes. But God accepts us where we're at spiritually which means we don't have to understand all truth to become a Christian. If God didn't do that none of us could ever become Christians.

Right, not understanding all truth, but having God's laws written on our hearts.

If someone does not have the Sabbath commandment written on their heart, are they not an authentic Christian?

 

[Gary K]

Right, not understanding all truth, but having God's laws written on our hearts.

If someone does not have the Sabbath commandment written on their heart, are they not an authentic Christian?

I never said that or implied that.

 

[Leaf473]

No. Jesus told His disciples to stay in Jerusalem until what proved to be the Holy Spirit being poured out on Pentacost which enabled them to take the message to the Gentiles and have their words be given to them by the Holy Spirit so their words would reach inside people's hearts and affect them.

You may have misunderstood what I wrote. Israel according to the flesh was commanded to visit Jerusalem three times a year. All the males.

In the New Covenant, Christianity spreads around the world.

God told Israel how to keep the Sabbath in that local region. He didn't say what to do when you realize that the Earth is a rotating sphere.

Not saying I buy this, but here's one Brothers creative solution

Are different Sabbaths true?

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