You Call Us Racists

[DieHappy]

Honestly, this crap about special months and who gives scholarships to who needs to go on the back burner.

When talking about cultural problems, this is what we need to focus on, not the other crap: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10296434

Exactly.
The other night I said that schools should teach sign language instead of spanish. My wife said she doesn't like the way I talk about mexicans. Huh? Some people are so on edge about racism that they see it where it isn't.

But, we live in a society that refuses to take any responsibility. Why should a 13 year old black man assume any responsibility for his child when all of society is saying telling him that he isn't responsible for his own safety, that's what cops are for. He isn't responsible for his health, that's what socialism is for. He isn't responsible for finding a job, that's what affirmative action is for. And, life is worthless anyway because we kill dolphins and whales and came from monkeys.

Get your own house in order, and that will be easier when you realize that no one is responsible for you but yourself.

 

[praying]

Honestly, this crap about special months and who gives scholarships to who needs to go on the back burner.

Well all I can say is that is the “crap” that is always held out as an example of “see look at all the special stuff they have”

When talking about cultural problems, this is what we need to focus on, not the other crap: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10296434

[/quote]

Yeah I read that article the other day, that is indeed a big issue for the black community. It is an issue for any community but particularly harmful one for people who are at risk already in terms of socioeconomic status.

 

[SOAD]

Exactly.
The other night I said that schools should teach sign language instead of spanish. My wife said she doesn't like the way I talk about mexicans. Huh? Some people are so on edge about racism that they see it where it isn't.

But, we live in a society that refuses to take any responsibility. Why should a 13 year old black man assume any responsibility for his child when all of society is saying telling him that he isn't responsible for his own safety, that's what cops are for. He isn't responsible for his health, that's what socialism is for. He isn't responsible for finding a job, that's what affirmative action is for. And, life is worthless anyway because we kill dolphins and whales and came from monkeys.

Get your own house in order, and that will be easier when you realize that no one is responsible for you but yourself.

The topic is racism. Are you saying that there isn't racism, but rather just a responsibility issue? Your wife has mistakened you for a racist against Mexicans when all you are saying is they should be more responsible? Is that your point?

So, in the Diehappy world it boils down to responsibility.

 

[praying]

What makes people of other races be able to enter the U.S. society (born here or legal immigrant) and be able to make a living (some a very good living!) while obeying all the laws? Because they were not made fun of for so many years?

Are you really in that much denial? As CY stated are you really equating, slavery, lynchings, and systematic discrimination to being made fun of? Those pictures I posted were not designed to poke fun at, they were designed as I stated in another response to degrade and dehumanize.

For at least the last 40 years, the shows (on an institutional level) belittling blacks have been over.

That’s true, outright displays like those in the pictures have been eliminated, however similar things while certainly on a much, much smaller level still do occur.

I believe if black leaders truly wanted to level the playing field they would stop making their churches 'culture time'

You mean like these church ministries:

ADOPT-A-STUDENT MINISTRY - is focused on trying to retain college students who have gone away from home and are studying at universities and colleges out of the city and state. Importantly, this ministry assures our college students that they: 1) belong to God, and 2) have a church home that cares about them.
CAREER DEVELOPMENT - provides information, training and job fairs to enable unemployed and underemployed members to compete and upgrade their employability for jobs with employers seeking "good" employees.

HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELING - supports high school students to enhance their educational progress.
MATH TUTORIAL - involves elementary age youth in the rigorous discipline needed to increase their understanding of mathematical concepts.
General Scholarships
Rev. Barbara J. Allen Scholarship “For Such a Time as This!”
For students returning to college after an extended absence. This is a one-year scholarship renewable annually for three (3) years “B” grade average needed for renewable consideration.
• Must be 35 years or older
• Must have completed at least one course and registered to continue at an accredited college or university
Submit a 300-400 word essay responding to the topic: “My Pursuit of Education and how it will/does affect the Church Family and the African American Community”

•


Things of that nature occur in every church I have ever attended.

and teach the people to be disciplined in the New Testament. Then, they could go to school, graduate above the National norm, go out and be able to handle pretty much whatever the people of society throw at them.

So yes, I absolutely believe that a child raised with this kind of instruction (even in poverty) has an edge over others.

The black church has always been and hopefully will always be a mainstay in providing resources to assist the black community to move ahead, whether that comes in the form of ministries as I demonstrated above or in the form of being an advocate for social justice. Without the black church America would not be where is today in terms racial reconciliation.

BTW those ministries came directly from Trinity United Church of Christ

 

[praying]

When does the bitterness end?

I am not bitter, but by the same token I am also not going to just sit idly by why people practice intellectual dishonesty as the case with the post I was responding to in the OP or they, as it was stated, hand wave off slavery and the subsequent apartheid as “being made fun of”.

My ancestors paid with their lives and put up with all forms of human degradation in order for me to be here, be educated and be a productive member of society and I would do them no justice in fact I would show them a great disrespect if these “falsehoods” went unchallenged.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

The bitterness will never even so long as people continue to say the solution is to "forget it, get over it, move one" when the legacies of violent racism still linger society even today, and when lower levels of mostly unspoken racism still exist within the various communities of the U.S. "Get over it" never solves anything.

 

[NeTrips]

so "yes we can" is really just words.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

I remember when the Rodney King beating video appeared. Most of white america was schocked. Shocked. A small portion said he deserved it. But what was striking to me was the shock white america displayed. One black comedian pointed out he thought it was a new Timex commercial-Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. For many blacks, that type of police brutality isnt an exception but the norm.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

The woman who did the Vagina Monologues interviewed some minority women who were in prison. One had been raped, more than once by the same guy, so she killed him. When Eve asked why she didnt go to the police she looked a Eve like 'Are you crazy?' Then she explained in her neighborhood, the cops are the enemy, even against victims.

 

[clarksided]

"We couldn't run an ad that no Portuguese, but yeah.....no Portuguese."

 

[AmericanChristian91]

The topic is racism. Are you saying that there isn't racism, but rather just a responsibility issue? Your wife has mistakened you for a racist against Mexicans when all you are saying is they should be more responsible? Is that your point?

So, in the Diehappy world it boils down to responsibility.

First thing first. Mexicans is NOT A RACE. So quit pulling the Race Card. It like saying Americans is a race (and we all know that there are several Races living in America). And even though white people are a minority in mexico there is such a thing as a white Mexican. Now if he was putting a Mexican down because he had brown skin then yes that would be racist. But putting some one down not because of who's race he/she is is not Racist. Its like saying that since im putting down an British person that somehow makes me Racist. WRONG. Since there are more Caucasians in the UK then other races then i will likely be putting someone down that is my own Race. I would be putting him down because of his nationalitiy or other things. I can be Mexican by becoming a Citizen of the Nation.

PS: I don't hate British people, just giving that as an example.

 

[DieHappy]

The topic is racism. Are you saying that there isn't racism, but rather just a responsibility issue? Your wife has mistakened you for a racist against Mexicans when all you are saying is they should be more responsible? Is that your point?

So, in the Diehappy world it boils down to responsibility.

Can you find something racist in the statement "public schools should teach sign language instead of spanish"? I can't. You made the same mistake I'm accusing a lot of other's of doing: that is, finding racism when there is none because we are all so scared of it.

 

[NotreDame]

So as not to derail the Obama Pro/Con thread I have created a new thread to respond to the post below, which is completely intellectually dishonest.

Originally Posted by Carey

You have the UnitedNegroCollege Fund.

Is it your contention we should throw away successful institutions that were born because of American Apartheid?

The horror, the absolute racist horror to work towards educating people.

This is, at the moment, the only remark I want to focus upon, because they are the most intriguing to me.

While I can appreciate your remarks regarding UNCF, I think they miss a fundamentally important inquiry. Unless someone other than a black person, or African American, can receive financial aid from UNCF, then the question I think to be answered, the point Corey I think is making, is whether racial criteria for receiving finanacial assistance constitutes as racism? Your comments quite simply do not answer this question.

 

[praying]

This is, at the moment, the only remark I want to focus upon, because they are the most intriguing to me.

While I can appreciate your remarks regarding UNCF, I think they miss a fundamentally important inquiry. Unless someone other than a black person, or African American, can receive financial aid from UNCF, then the question I think to be answered, the point Corey I think is making, is whether racial criteria for receiving finanacial assistance constitutes as racism? Your comments quite simply do not answer this question.

I thought I did address that, yes they can.

 

[NotreDame]

I thought I did address that, yes they can.

The UNCF "can" provide financial aid to non-African Americans/blacks, such as caucasions, Asians, Italians, Irish, and Germans? Do they? Have they ever?

Or is the consideration of "race" a pivotal, vital, consideration such that some are excluded from consideration on this basis?

 

[praying]

The UNCF "can" provide financial aid to non-African Americans/blacks, such as caucasions, Asians, Italians, Irish, and Germans? Do they? Have they ever?

Or is the consideration of "race" a pivotal, vital, consideration such that some are excluded from consideration on this basis?

For Students
FOR STUDENTS: SCHOLARSHIPS

Student StudyYou can use this site to search through hundreds of scholarship and grant programs administered by the United Negro College Fund. You will have access to both UNCF SCHOLARSHIPS and scholarships administered by many other organizations. Use our ADVANCED SEARCH feature to find a scholarship program that matches your academic interests and career goals. As you search, you can APPLY ONLINE for a number of the UNCF scholarships.

If you are a student attending a UNCF member college or university, it is highly recommended that you complete the UNCF GENERAL SCHOLARSHIP application. Once a student completes a UNCF General Scholarship application, the information will be used to match you to many of the specific programs administered by UNCF. Should additional information be needed to complete your application for another UNCF scholarship, our online process will alert you of the additional information required to complete your application.

To be considered for a UNCF scholarship, you must meet certain basic eligibility requirements:
1. Students must have a minimum grade point average of 2.5 on a 4.0 scale
2. Students must have unmet need as verified by the university financial aid office
3. Students must complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FASFA).

Please note, other eligibility criteria may be required for programs on the APPROACHING DEADLINE list .

If you have selected for a UNCF scholarship, students will receive an official award letter from UNCF. Students can also check the status of their application by logging onto the UNCF website and going to their individual Home Page.

http://www.uncf.org/ForStudents/scholarship.asp



Race is not a consideration

 

[NotreDame]

For Students
FOR STUDENTS: SCHOLARSHIPS

Student StudyYou can use this site to search through hundreds of scholarship and grant programs administered by the United Negro College Fund. You will have access to both UNCF SCHOLARSHIPS and scholarships administered by many other organizations. Use our ADVANCED SEARCH feature to find a scholarship program that matches your academic interests and career goals. As you search, you can APPLY ONLINE for a number of the UNCF scholarships.

If you are a student attending a UNCF member college or university, it is highly recommended that you complete the UNCF GENERAL SCHOLARSHIP application. Once a student completes a UNCF General Scholarship application, the information will be used to match you to many of the specific programs administered by UNCF. Should additional information be needed to complete your application for another UNCF scholarship, our online process will alert you of the additional information required to complete your application.

To be considered for a UNCF scholarship, you must meet certain basic eligibility requirements:
1. Students must have a minimum grade point average of 2.5 on a 4.0 scale
2. Students must have unmet need as verified by the university financial aid office
3. Students must complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FASFA).

Please note, other eligibility criteria may be required for programs on the APPROACHING DEADLINE list .

If you have selected for a UNCF scholarship, students will receive an official award letter from UNCF. Students can also check the status of their application by logging onto the UNCF website and going to their individual Home Page.

http://www.uncf.org/ForStudents/scholarship.asp



Race is not a consideration

Thank you for answering my question. Then Corey's reliance upon UNCF, as an example of racism, his assumption being its scholarships are based upon race, is rather erroneous. Why did he ever bring it up?

 

[Conspiracy Theory]

Race is not a consideration

At least that's what they tell you.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

So when the strawman is proven unemployed the reaction is to throw out a wild and unsubstantiated accusation? Not shocked

 

[NotreDame]

At least that's what they tell you.

Well, if it is found they give out scholarships to a race other than black/African American, then what impact does this have on your remark above?