Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

[BPPLEE]

See post #944.

@perplexed summed it up well, his lawyer made the case that he was only concerned about his family finding out

 

[BPPLEE]

Considering that most portrayals of Wallace in standard history texts *might* include a line like "Wallace renounced segregation later in life" there is not some sort of general "forgiveness" of Wallace.

Okay then I guess they voted for him without forgiving him

 

[camille70]

Okay scratch that one and it’s still not a good record.
I am amazed at how Democrats like Byrd and George Wallace can just change their minds and all is forgiven.

That's sort of the basis of our religion. Repentance.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I didn’t mean to be disrespectful.

Generally speaking, telling someone what they think is disrespectful. Doesn't really matter if you phrase as "likely" or "probably".

Some of the things you say about Trump apply to Biden.

That he's not a shining paragon of virtue? Sure, but I never made that claim. I said that he comes across as a fundamentally good person. Good people can still make mistakes. Was he always a good person? I don't know - I wasn't around in the '70s. What matters is that he is now, when he's running for President. You'll notice that I generally don't bring up things that Trump said or did in the '80s and '90s as negatives (unless he's continued saying/doing them in the present) - people can change, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt

I couldn’t vote for Biden if he was a Republican

And yet you say you'll vote for Trump, despite only some of the negatives that apply to Trump applying to Biden? I'm having difficulty understanding your logic. Are you saying that, in a Trump v. Biden race, with policy positions reversed (Trump running as Trump, but on the Democratic platform; Biden running as Biden, but on the Republican platform), you wouldn't vote for Biden?

 

[BPPLEE]

Generally speaking, telling someone what they think is disrespectful. Doesn't really matter if you phrase as "likely" or "probably".

That he's not a shining paragon of virtue? Sure, but I never made that claim. I said that he comes across as a fundamentally good person. Good people can still make mistakes. Was he always a good person? I don't know - I wasn't around in the '70s. What matters is that he is now, when he's running for President. You'll notice that I generally don't bring up things that Trump said or did in the '80s and '90s as negatives (unless he's continued saying/doing them in the present) - people can change, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt

And yet you say you'll vote for Trump, despite only some of the negatives that apply to Trump applying to Biden? I'm having difficulty understanding your logic. Are you saying that, in a Trump v. Biden race, with policy positions reversed (Trump running as Trump, but on the Democratic platform; Biden running as Biden, but on the Republican platform), you wouldn't vote for Biden?

I didn’t vote for Trump in the primaries. I haven’t said that I will vote for him in the general but if I do I will be voting against Biden.
I couldn’t vote for someone who is that impaired cognitively no matter what party they ran in.
And I apologize for making you feel disrespected. You generally debate with respect and reason and don’t resort to insults and personal attacks and I respect you for that.

 

[BPPLEE]

That's sort of the basis of our religion. Repentance.

Yes but is it repentance or is it done to survive politically?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

“I find you in criminal contempt for the 10th time,” said Justice Juan Merchan, who said he is concerned that Donald Trump has apparently not taken heed of his prior findings.
“Going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sentence. The last thing I want to do is put you in jail.”

Oh no, they’re going to give him exactly what he clearly wants and has been trying to get this whole time.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

There is at least one intermediate step before "real jail". Every courthouse has a lockup where defendants are held including as punishment for contempt. That courthouse also likely has windowless interior rooms that could do duty as a lockup The judge could sentence him to spend the lunch break in an empty room by himself with no devices or other materials.

Can he please at least have him face a corner for 10 minutes?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I didn’t vote for Trump in the primaries. I haven’t said that I will vote for him in the general but if I do I will be voting against Biden.
I couldn’t vote for someone who is that impaired cognitively no matter what party they ran in.

Knowing the amount of actual control that the President wields over policy, as well as the number of staff, aides, and cabinet members around to keep things in line, I'd much rather a president who wasn't "all there" than one who attacks the democratic process, stirs up dissent, actively defies the legal system, is erratic in his dealings with foreign countries, and is generally just a horrible human being.

And, for the record, I think that right-wing media has overly exaggerated any cognitive difficulties that Biden may or may not face. He's certainly not as sharp as he was 20 years ago (and neither is Trump, for that matter), but I don't think he's the senile old man that Fox News claims he is either.

 

[BPPLEE]

Knowing the amount of actual control that the President wields over policy, as well as the number of staff, aides, and cabinet members around to keep things in line, I'd much rather a president who wasn't "all there" than one who attacks the democratic process, stirs up dissent, actively defies the legal system, is erratic in his dealings with foreign countries, and is generally just a horrible human being.

And, for the record, I think that right-wing media has overly exaggerated any cognitive difficulties that Biden may or may not face. He's certainly not as sharp as he was 20 years ago (and neither is Trump, for that matter), but I don't think he's the senile old man that Fox News claims he is either.

Noted. Please see my edited post

 

[Pommer]

“I find you in criminal contempt for the 10th time,” said Justice Juan Merchan, who said he is concerned that Donald Trump has apparently not taken heed of his prior findings.
“Going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sentence. The last thing I want to do is put you in jail.”

Going from gold to stainless steel would be quite a step-down.

 

[Pommer]

Okay scratch that one and it’s still not a good record.
I am amazed at how Democrats like Byrd and George Wallace can just change their minds and all is forgiven.

When one “sees the light”?
Isn’t this the very model of Christianity?
Odd of you to disavow this in the political realm.

 

[Pommer]

Considering that most portrayals of Wallace in standard history texts *might* include a line like "Wallace renounced segregation later in life" there is not some sort of general "forgiveness" of Wallace.

Naw, he “cleaned-up” good.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Going from gold to stainless steel would be quite a step-down.

There’s a shower joke here I’m trying real hard to avoid.

 

[Pommer]

Oh no, they’re going to give him exactly what he clearly wants and has been trying to get this whole time.

The “Trump Letters From Prison” book will sell real good!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The “Trump Letters From Prison” book will sell real good!

At least he’s still got his pen pal Kim Jong Un.

 

[Hans Blaster]

At least he’s still got his pen pal Kim Jong Un.

It's not clear from another case if they actually recovered his purloined correspondence or not.

 

[BPPLEE]

Naw, he “cleaned-up” good.

Actions speak louder than words

 

[Hans Blaster]

The “Trump Letters From Prison” book will sell real good!

"Post from a Manhattan Courthouse conference room" (Original - sharpie on legal pad, 1 page)

THE CRAZY, TRUMP HATING JUDGE HAS LOCKED UP YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT (ME) FOR POSTING TO TRUTH SOCIAL ABOUT HIS CORRUPT RULING ON BEHALF OF CORRUPT HILLARY AND SLEEPY JOE (FAKE PRESIDENT AND LOSER). NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER BEEN SO POORLY TREATED BY ANYONE. NOT EVEN LINCOLN WHEN HE GOT SHOT HAD IT SO BAD. LINCOLN GOT TO GO TO A COMEDY PLAY AND I MUST STAY IN THIS HORRIBLE COURTHOUSE WHERE THEY BELIEVE THE LIES OF THAT ROTTEN LIAR MICHAEL COHEN ABOUT AN AFFAIR I DIDN'T HAVE WITH STORMY DANIELS. (WHO LIES ABOUT MY XXXX.) I WOULD NEVER CHEAT ON MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE MELANIE OR ABANDON OUR SON (THE SKINNY ONE). IT IS ALL A BIG LIE TO KEEP ME FROM GOING TO OUR WONDERFUL RALLYS WHERE YOU ADORE ME SO MUCH, YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT (TRUMP), SO WE CAN STOP THEM FROM STEALING OUR ELECTION AGAIN. THE HORRIBLE, CORRUPT, JUDGE HAS KEPT ME IN THE UGLY ROOM FOR THE LUNCH BREAK AND ONLY BROUGHT ME A TUNA SANDWICH AND A DIET PEPSI.

 

[camille70]

Yes but is it repentance or is it done to survive politically?

He was old school, so he probably wouldn't have been voted out, but my understanding is that he credited his son's death with part of his racial epiphany, expressed public regret for his previous behavior, and he went on to have his actions match his words. Most people are a mixed bag. Some of the worst humans on the planet have some good qualities and loves or has someone who loves them. Few are 100% rotten.