= Born again

[Chaleb]

What does it mean to be born again..


1.) Your sins are on Christ because "God made JESUS to be sin for us, who knew no sin"..... And God's Righteousness has become yours, as you have become "the Righteousness of God in Christ"....."made Righteous".

This is : "Salvation". This is "Redemption". This is the eternal effect of the "Blood Atonement".

2.) Your SPIRIT, born again by God's Holy Spirit, now exists for eternity as "one with God, IN Christ". = "made righteous".

Ezekiel 36 says.... "a new HEART i will give you and a new SPIRIT will I put within you.""

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2.) ALL the born again, have been "translated from darkness TO LIGHT.""""

This means the born again spirit now exist in the Kingdom of Light, where God exists......."God is A Spirit"..
This is to become "In Christ" = one with Jesus.... who is "The LIGHT of the World", and you are now a "child of the LIGHT", if you are born again, and not just water baptized (sprinkled) and religious.

See that?
That is your born again spirit, existing now as : "seated in Heavenly places, in Christ".

To understand this, is to BELIEVE IT, and once you begin to believe this truth regarding what it means to exist SPIRITUALLY "in Christ" "in God", in Heaven, you are now entering God's actual and literal perspective of you as His born again Son/Daughter of God.
Thats what He has caused you to become, and to exist in this mind as your real faith is to have the "renewed mind" that Paul told you that you must develop.
See, your body is dead because of sin.
Your mind is not born again, and you have to "renew it".

Now, what does the renewed mind, which is to have God's perspective of who you have become as a "new Creation"..... free you from? ?????

It frees you from THE LAW, as you, as a born again SPIRIT, who now exists as "one with God"- "in Christ'.... are now no longer under the Law.
You are "under GRACE".
Why?
Because "Jesus has redeemed you from the CURSE of the LAW".
And what is that curse?
Its to be under the dominion of the Law, instead of being "under Grace".
See.....The LAW >demands< righteousness from you that you can't produce.......while God's GRACE >provides< you with the Grace, from God, = as "the Gift of Righteousness".
See that?

Welcome to : SALVATION.

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3.) God's "GRACE" is not just God's eternal forgiveness and Salvation... freely given through the Cross of Christ....its also where the born again EXIST., being : "translated FROM..... darkness".

Darkness, is :

1.) Being separated from God, because of unforgiven Sin (not born again).
2.) "Having your understanding DARKENED"...

So, being born again, is Literally to be rescued from the dominion of the Law, and from Spiritual Darkness and from mind blindness as Satan blinds the mind from Truth and LIGHT.

"in whom the god of this world has blinded their mind, lest the LIGHT of the Glorious Gospel of Christ should shine into them".

This power of Darkness (being mind blinded) is Satan's power, its His kingdom., and to be born again, is to be freed from His DECEPTION, by God.
It is to enter God's dominion, the KOG... which is Grace, = which is the Kingdom of Light.
You enter it.... Luke 17:21 by being BORN AGAIN = INTO IT....having become "one with God",..."In Christ".
Your Born again Spirit, now exists where they are.....and that is your Eternal life and your Redemption.
That is : Salvation and Resurrection..
That is "BORN again".

Jesus said...."you must be..born.......again"., and water can't do that for you, and do not believe deceivers who tell you that it can.

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If you are born again, and not just water baptized (sprinkled) and religious....then you have been "made alive unto God".... and all your sin is on Jesus on the Cross, and God's eternal life is now your eternal Life.

Romans 6:11.

4.) Reader.....Do you SEE the renewed mind i have shown you, regarding what it means to have become a "new Creation IN Christ"?

This is not a "saved sinner".
This is a born again Saint, who is JOINED TO GOD, Spiritually.
Now.....i have shown you the right mind you are to exist in, always, daily,.... constantly., as this is the renewed mind.

And that other mind.....the carnal mind....that tries to make you pretend to strive to try to be good......is not the right mind.
Faking trying to be like some theatrical idea you have of Jesus, is not Christianity.
That is the mind of carnality, as that is performing an act of works, and Salvation is "Grace through Faith without works" or Law.
The right mind , the mind of Christ, is to understand who you have BECOME as born again, and to walk in THAT understanding, that revelation... as that is REAL FAITH,..
= is how you "work out your Salvation".
See that? That is REAL Spirituality.
And when you begin to daily discipline your mind to only see yourself in that LIGHT< that "renewed mind".... you are now "walking in the Spirit" and your real faith and your real discipleship has begun, and that is how you "work out your salvation".

 

[Soyeong]

What does it mean to be born again..

A chip off the old block is someone who has the same character or nature as their Father and this is the sense of sonship in the Bible, which is why Jesus said in John 8:39 that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works that he did, and why Galatians 3:26-29 connects being children of God through faith in Christ with being children of Abraham, heirs to the promise. So that this the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact image of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, and this is the sense that we are children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is also why 1 John 3:4-10 says that those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God and why Romans 8:4-14 contrasts those who are born of the Spirit with those who have carnal minds who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to HIs law.

1.) Your sins are on Christ because "God made JESUS to be sin for us, who knew no sin"..... And God's Righteousness has become yours, as you have become "the Righteousness of God in Christ"....."made Righteous".

This is : "Salvation". This is "Redemption". This is the eternal effect of the "Blood Atonement".

2.) Your SPIRIT, born again by God's Holy Spirit, now exists for eternity as "one with God, IN Christ". = "made righteous".

Ezekiel 36 says.... "a new HEART i will give you and a new SPIRIT will I put within you.""

To say that God is righteous is to say that He choose to take actions that express righteousness, so to become the righteous of God in Christ is to become someone who chooses to express the righteousness of God in obedience to His law in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow. So you say that you want to become the righteousness of God, but in practice you want nothing to do with it. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. In Ezekiel 36, God gives a new heart and put a mew Spirit in us in order to lead us in obedience to God's law.

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2.) ALL the born again, have been "translated from darkness TO LIGHT.""""

This means the born again spirit now exist in the Kingdom of Light, where God exists......."God is A Spirit"..
This is to become "In Christ" = one with Jesus.... who is "The LIGHT of the World", and you are now a "child of the LIGHT", if you are born again, and not just water baptized (sprinkled) and religious.

See that?
That is your born again spirit, existing now as : "seated in Heavenly places, in Christ".

To understand this, is to BELIEVE IT, and once you begin to believe this truth regarding what it means to exist SPIRITUALLY "in Christ" "in God", in Heaven, you are now entering God's actual and literal perspective of you as His born again Son/Daughter of God.
Thats what He has caused you to become, and to exist in this mind as your real faith is to have the "renewed mind" that Paul told you that you must develop.
See, your body is dead because of sin.
Your mind is not born again, and you have to "renew it".

Now, what does the renewed mind, which is to have God's perspective of who you have become as a "new Creation"..... free you from? ?????

It frees you from THE LAW, as you, as a born again SPIRIT, who now exists as "one with God"- "in Christ'.... are now no longer under the Law.
You are "under GRACE".
Why?
Because "Jesus has redeemed you from the CURSE of the LAW".
And what is that curse?
Its to be under the dominion of the Law, instead of being "under Grace".
See.....The LAW >demands< righteousness from you that you can't produce.......while God's GRACE >provides< you with the Grace, from God, = as "the Gift of Righteousness".
See that?

Welcome to : SALVATION.

I principle you speak in favor of being one with Christ, but in practice you want nothing to do with being one with him, because those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and want nothing to do with that. In Ephesians 2:10, we are new Christians in Christ to do good works, but you want to be a new creation in Christ instead of doing good works. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His, and you speak about wanting to be under grace, but in practice you want nothing to do with being under grace. In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, obedience to God's law brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! Sadly, you teach people to choose death and a curse.

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3.) God's "GRACE" is not just God's eternal forgiveness and Salvation... freely given through the Cross of Christ....its also where the born again EXIST., being : "translated FROM..... darkness".

Darkness, is :

1.) Being separated from God, because of unforgiven Sin (not born again).
2.) "Having your understanding DARKENED"...

So, being born again, is Literally to be rescued from the dominion of the Law, and from Spiritual Darkness and from mind blindness as Satan blinds the mind from Truth and LIGHT.

"in whom the god of this world has blinded their mind, lest the LIGHT of the Glorious Gospel of Christ should shine into them".

This power of Darkness (being mind blinded) is Satan's power, its His kingdom., and to be born again, is to be freed from His DECEPTION, by God.
It is to enter God's dominion, the KOG... which is Grace, = which is the Kingdom of Light.
You enter it.... Luke 17:21 by being BORN AGAIN = INTO IT....having become "one with God",..."In Christ".
Your Born again Spirit, now exists where they are.....and that is your Eternal life and your Redemption.
That is : Salvation and Resurrection..
That is "BORN again".

Jesus said...."you must be..born.......again"., and water can't do that for you, and do not believe deceivers who tell you that it can.

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In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and you speak about upholding the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, but in practice you oppose it. In Revelation 22:14, those who kept God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, and you want to have eternal life, but speak against keeping God's commandments, and it doesn't work that way.

If you are born again, and not just water baptized (sprinkled) and religious....then you have been "made alive unto God".... and all your sin is on Jesus on the Cross, and God's eternal life is now your eternal Life.

Romans 6:11.

Everything in in Romans 6:1-11 is in favor of obedience to God and against sin, but you embrace the opposite.

4.) Reader.....Do you SEE the renewed mind i have shown you, regarding what it means to have become a "new Creation IN Christ"?

You are acting in direct opposition to what God has commanded, so you have shown us a mind that is very clouded.

This is not a "saved sinner".
This is a born again Saint, who is JOINED TO GOD, Spiritually.
Now.....i have shown you the right mind you are to exist in, always, daily,.... constantly., as this is the renewed mind.

And that other mind.....the carnal mind....that tries to make you pretend to strive to try to be good......is not the right mind.
Faking trying to be like some theatrical idea you have of Jesus, is not Christianity.
That is the mind of carnality, as that is performing an act of works, and Salvation is "Grace through Faith without works" or Law.
The right mind , the mind of Christ, is to understand who you have BECOME as born again, and to walk in THAT understanding, that revelation... as that is REAL FAITH,..
= is how you "work out your Salvation".
See that? That is REAL Spirituality.
And when you begin to daily discipline your mind to only see yourself in that LIGHT< that "renewed mind".... you are now "walking in the Spirit" and your real faith and your real discipleship has begun, and that is how you "work out your salvation".

Again, in Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have carnal minds, who are enemies of God, who refuse to submit to His Law. If someone is an enemy of God for refuse to submit to His law, then how much more so is someone who actively spends time leading people away from submitting to it?

 

[timothyu]

As genius sees beyond what the normal mind may see, so do the born again see beyond carnal thinking. It's not just about mankind. There is a greater purpose going on than simply what's in it for us..

 

[d taylor]

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What is born again, it is receiving the free gift of The Life of God, by faith in Jesus.

Why Isn’t Everyone in Christianity Born Again? – Grace Evangelical Society​

 

[Chaleb]

To say that God is righteous is to say that He choose to take actions that express righteousness, so to become the righteous of God in Christ is to become someone who chooses to express

Becoming the righteousness of God is to be born again into the Spirit of God.

= Born again.

= "the righteousness of God in Christ"

= :::::For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which RECEIVE abundance of grace and of the Gift of Righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.""""

 

[Soyeong]

Becoming the righteousness of God is to be born again into the Spirit of God.

= Born again.

= "the righteousness of God in Christ"

= :::::For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which RECEIVE abundance of grace and of the Gift of Righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.""""

Being born again is about partaking in God's nature or character in obedience to His law, which is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not born again (1 John 3:4-10). There is no such thing as someone having a character trait apart from being someone who chooses to take actions that express is, so the gift of becoming righteousness is the gift of becoming someone who does chooses to do what is righteous in obedience to His law.

 

[Chaleb]

those who do not practice righteousness

Being born again, means that God has provided the BELIEVER, (not the law keeper) with the "gift of of Righteousness", that God requires, so that God can accept this person as a Son/Daughter.

Welcome To Salvation.

Its "not of works, lest any person will BOAST" about their law keeping and commandment keeping and works, and water baptism.

As you know., Soyeong.

 

[Soyeong]

Being born again, means that God has provided the BELIEVER, (not the law keeper) with the "gift of of Righteousness", that God requires, so that God can accept this person as a Son/Daughter.

You can keep making baseless claims about what it means to be born again, but you're going to keep being wrong as long as what you say is in opposition to what the Bible says that it means in verses like 1 John 3:4-10 and Romans 8:4-14. There are many verses that equate being a believer with being a law keeper, such as Revelation 14:12, where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. Again, the gift of becoming righteous is the gift of become someone who chooses to take actions that express righteousness in obedience to God's law, just becoming courageous is becoming someone who chooses to take actions that express courage, and so forth for every other character trait.

Welcome To Salvation.

Its "not of works, lest any person will BOAST" about their law keeping and commandment keeping and works, and water baptism.

As you know., Soyeong.

in Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, doing good works is nevertheless an intrinsic part of our salvation from not doing good works. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. It is contradictory for someone to want salvation from living in transgression of God's law while not wanting to live in obedience to it.

 

[Chaleb]

You can keep making baseless claims about what it means to be born again,

What i teach, is Pauline Theology, and Legalist, always deny it and continue to rand about Law and commadments.

Let me show you a verse that was written to you., Soyeong
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Paul wrote this to you.
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New International Version They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. New Living Translation They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don’t know what they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently. English Standard Version desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions. Berean Standard Bible They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert. Berean Literal Bible desiring to be teachers of the Law, understanding neither what they are saying nor that about which they confidently assert. King James Bible Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. New King James Version desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

 

[Chaleb]

in Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works,

Yes.
All the born again should...>"present your body as a living sacrifice to God".

Not be be saved or to try to stay saved, but because the born again are saved.

And that is not Law Keeping or Commandment Keeping.

 

[Soyeong]

What i teach, is Pauline Theology, and Legalist, always deny it and continue to rand about Law and commadments.

In Romans 8:4-14, Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have carnal minds who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to His law, so what you teach is in direct opposition to Pauline Theology.

Let me show you a verse that was written to you., Soyeong
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Paul wrote this to you.
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New International Version They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. New Living Translation They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don’t know what they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently. English Standard Version desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions. Berean Standard Bible They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert. Berean Literal Bible desiring to be teachers of the Law, understanding neither what they are saying nor that about which they confidently assert. King James Bible Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. New King James Version desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

Quoting many different translations of that verse does not change that you are blatantly taking it out of context both in meaning and in trying to apply it to me.

 

[Soyeong]

Yes.
All the born again should...>"present your body as a living sacrifice to God".

Not be be saved or to try to stay saved, but because the born again are saved.

And that is not Law Keeping or Commandment Keeping.

Our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's law, so living in obedience to it is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it, so it is impossible for you to remove keeping the law from the concept of being saved from not keeping it. In Titus 2:11-14, it does not say will be saved as the result of doing those works or that we will do those works as the result of having been saved, but rather it describes our the content of God's gift of salvation as being trained by grace to do those works.

 

[timothyu]

Plain and simply, born again is the resurrection...

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

 

[Dan Perez]

Being born again is about partaking in God's nature or character in obedience to His law, which is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not born again (1 John 3:4-10). There is no such thing as someone having a character trait apart from being someone who chooses to take actions that express is, so the gift of becoming righteousness is the gift of becoming someone who does chooses to do what is righteous in obedience to His law.born again

In John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN of God doth NOT /OV and NOT / OV is a DISJUCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and is a BORN AGAIN person doth NOT commit sin , how can anyone say that about himself today ??

dan p

 

[Soyeong]

In John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN of God doth NOT /OV and NOT / OV is a DISJUCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and is a BORN AGAIN person doth NOT commit sin , how can anyone say that about himself today ??

dan p

It is clear that when the Bible speaks about those who are born again, it is not speaking about a category of which no one is a member, yet it is also clear that we still sin. One way to interpret 1 John 3:4-10 is that it is speaking about practicing righteousness in obedience to God's law or practicing sin in disobedience to it, or in other words it is speaks about someone who practices obedience to God's law and repentance if they sin or someone who lives in unrepentant sin.

 

[Dan Perez]

It is clear that when the Bible speaks about those who are born again, it is not speaking about a category of which no one is a member, yet it is also clear that we still sin. One way to interpret 1 John 3:4-10 is that it is speaking about practicing righteousness in obedience to God's law or practicing sin in disobedience to it, or in other words it is speaks about someone who practices obedience to God's law and repentance if they sin or someone who lives in unrepentant sin.

I did not print what 1 John 3:9 says !!

1 John says , not only , whosoever is born of God doth NOT SIN , for HIS SEED ( GOD SEED ) Remaineth in Him , and he CANNOT / OV means it is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , he cannot sin , because he is BORN of God .

Does this agree with your bible ?

dan p

 

[Soyeong]

I did not print what 1 John 3:9 says !!

1 John says , not only , whosoever is born of God doth NOT SIN , for HIS SEED ( GOD SEED ) Remaineth in Him , and he CANNOT / OV means it is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , he cannot sin , because he is BORN of God .

Does this agree with your bible ?

dan p

The fact is that people who are born again still sin, so 1 John 3:9 should not be interpreted in a way that is contrary to that, but rather it need to be interpreted in way that can be reconciled with that fact. Likewise, 1 John 3:9 needs to be interpreted in a way that can be reconcile with the fact that 1 John 1:8 says if we say that we are without sin, then we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I agree with translations of 1 John 3:4-10 that speak about practicing sin or practicing righteousness rather than in the sense of never sinning. There is also the possibility that it is along the lines of what Paul said in Romans 7:17 that it is no longer him who sins, but sin living in him. However, if you don't agree with how I have reconciled this issue, then you are welcome to provide your own explanation.

 

[timothyu]

Likewise, 1 John 3:9 needs to be interpreted in a way that can be reconcile with the fact that 1 John 1:8 says if we say that we are without sin, then we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us

Perhaps it only referred to Jesus.

 

[ARBITER01]

What i teach, is Pauline Theology, and Legalist, always deny it and continue to rand about Law and commandments.

So far what you are presenting is correct.

By experience we should tangibly feel the immersion in The Holy Spirit and the blood of Jesus being applied to our spirits, thereby making our human spirits into the likeness of His. We are Spiritually adopted into His family by His blood.

This immersion (born again experience) is where we are added to the body of Christ because we were sealed with His Spirit inside.

This is just the start of our Christian walk, there are many more steps beyond this one.

Anyone who doesn't have a direct answer from heaven this way is trying to live as a Christian in their minds.

 

[Soyeong]

Perhaps it only referred to Jesus.

Jesus is the Son of God because he is the exact image of His nature, though we are also children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example, so being born again does mot refer only to Jesus.