You just have to read President Vladimir Putin's public statement in response to Obama.

[Aldebaran]

Oh I see what you mean.

Yes then in that sense you are correct. The intel report acknowledges as much.

Having said that, while it was true information released, not nearly enough people were/are thinking about how they reacted to it and are playing right into the hands of Russia - whether they actually ordered the hack or not.

What's good for Russia may be good for the USA too. It may be true that Russia might have wanted Trump because he's friendly with them, but that might be in America's best interest to not be at odds with them. Perhaps tensions could ease, and trade could resume.
Clinton would probably have been favored by ISIS, because Trump was talking tougher against them. But then again, we have to ask if Clinton would have best best for America. Time will tell either way.

 

[JGG]

The assertion that is being made is that the election was hacked. When it's been pointed out that the election machines and counting was never hacked, then it's brought up that Russia "hacked" the election results by influencing the voters. Again, not true. It was James Comey's announcement of his re-opening of the investigation that influenced the polls.

Who made the claim that the Russians hacked voting machines or records?

We're in agreement though that it's a pretty tight case at this point thatcRussians did hack into American email accounts with the intent of influencing the election, that this was probably ordered by Putin himself, and that the Russians may also be behind other hacks into other American infrastructure, like electricity providers?

 

[Aldebaran]

Who made the claim that the Russians hacked voting machines or records?

It's not hard to come to the conclusion that it's what's being referred to when the accusation is made that "Russia hacked the election". Hacking is a term most people understand as being a reference to breaking into computers. When the phrase "hacked the election" is used, it's easily interpreted by the masses as being a reference to the idea that election computers or voting machines were hacked.

We're in agreement though that it's a pretty tight case at this point thatcRussians did hack into American email accounts with the intent of influencing the election, that this was probably ordered by Putin himself, and that the Russians may also be behind other hacks into other American infrastructure, like electricity providers?

I think there has been mention in the past about ISIS and even people here in the U.S. who have been trying to do that. But if Russia really did work to get Trump elected, then it's doubtful they'd now start cyberattacking us.

 

[JGG]

It's not hard to come to the conclusion that it's what's being referred to when the accusation is made that "Russia hacked the election". Hacking is a term most people understand as being a reference to breaking into computers. When the phrase "hacked the election" is used, it's easily interpreted by the masses as being a reference to the idea that election computers or voting machines were hacked.

Who used the phrase hacked the election? Again we're not denying that Putin ordered people's email to be hacked in order to influence the election?

I think there has been mention in the past about ISIS and even people here in the U.S. who have been trying to do that. But if Russia really did work to get Trump elected, then it's doubtful they'd now start cyberattacking us.

How's that?

 

[Aldebaran]

Who used the phrase hacked the election? Again we're not denying that Putin ordered people's email to be hacked in order to influence the election?

Here's a google search that gives many places where the phrase has been used. Pick the source you like most. Google

How's that?

How's what?

 

[JGG]

Here's a google search that gives many places where the phrase has been used. Pick the source you like most. Google

I just see articles simply using the words 'hacked' and 'election'. It's a lot. Perhaps you could help by linking to the one that you're referring to.

How's what?

Why on Earth would Russia be less likely to use cyber crime once Trump is president?

 

[Aldebaran]

I just see articles simply using the words 'hacked' and 'election'. It's a lot. Perhaps you could help by linking to the one that you're referring to.

I didn't say there was just one. I said there are many places where the phrase has been used.
Now that you ask for one, here's one: Here’s what you need to know about Russia’s election hacking

Let me know if it's not enough.

Why on Earth would Russia be less likely to use cyber crime once Trump is president?

Would you be inclined to continue threatening or attacking someone that gave you want you wanted?

 

[JGG]

I didn't say there was just one. I said there are many places where the phrase has been used.
Now that you ask for one, here's one: Here’s what you need to know about Russia’s election hacking

Let me know if it's not enough.

Yup. That's fine. Does the article claim that election results were hacked?

Would you be inclined to continue threatening or attacking someone that gave you want you wanted?

Are you saying President Trump is just going to hand over to Russia any data or information they want?

 

[Aldebaran]

Yup. That's fine. Does the article claim that election results were hacked?

The title claims that the election was hacked. Surprising that this is a sore point for Democrats--especially Obama himself: Democrats Decry Russia Influencing U.S. Election. FLASHBACK: Obama Admin Funds Group That Tries to Influence Israeli Election.

Are you saying President Trump is just going to hand over to Russia any data or information they want?

Responding to a question with a question of your own without answering isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Reading the statement is amusing enough, but watching Putin drink a glass of water while getting Trump to say it... now that's entertainment!

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Sean Hannity's craven flip on Julian Assange | RedState

 

[USincognito]

The title claims that the election was hacked. Surprising that this is a sore point for Democrats--especially Obama himself: Democrats Decry Russia Influencing U.S. Election. FLASHBACK: Obama Admin Funds Group That Tries to Influence Israeli Election.

Blog claims U.S. funded anti-Netanyahu election effort in Israel

 

[HerbieHeadley]

 

[Aldebaran]

Blog claims U.S. funded anti-Netanyahu election effort in Israel

Running The Data On PolitiFact Shows Bias Against Conservatives

 

[DaisyDay]

But the biggest dip in the polls for Clinton happened when OBAMA'S director of the FBI (James Comey) made his announcement. So instead of accusing Putin and Russia of hacking the election, the attention and accusations should be back on Comey and the FBI, which is where it was in the first place.

Slimy, sure, but was that illegal or actionable?

Running The Data On PolitiFact Shows Bias Against Conservatives

Is the Federalist impartial? It may be a fair article, I haven't had time to check it out, only to read it, so far.

 

[lasthero]

Running The Data On PolitiFact Shows Bias Against Conservatives

What does that have to do with the actual article itself?

This is something I've seen just about everytime a Politifact article shows up, and it doesn't make any sense. Someone says something, brings up an article, then someone just dismisses it, saying that Politifact is biased.

Even if I accept that Politifact is biasted, being biased doesn't automatically mean a source is wrong. Just saying the article is biased doesn't invalidate anything in the article. If you think the article is wrong, then read it and point out where the conclusion fails.

 

[JGG]

Running The Data On PolitiFact Shows Bias Against Conservatives

Good thing that you and "the Federalist" are not.

How is the Politifact assessment wrong?

 

[Aldebaran]

Slimy, sure, but was that illegal or actionable?

I don't know, but it IS what turned the poll numbers around in favor of Trump far more than any "hacking" by the Russians of the election.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Is the Federalist impartial? It may be a fair article, I haven't had time to check it out, only to read it, so far.

There are no impartial media outlets. That much has been made abundantly clear in recent years.

Bias at The Federalist is generally in favor of small and limited government.

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't know, but it IS what turned the poll numbers around in favor of Trump far more than any "hacking" by the Russians of the election.

The effect of the Russian meddling isn't really knowable, imo. How do you gauge the effect of multiple fake news sites and an army of trolls over the months of campaigning? Comey was the final tipping point but that might have just been the straw that broke the camel's back as it wasn't anything new or critical.