worship service; jumping up and down

[Warrior4ChristAL]

Sure, but be careful. For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, Gal. 5.13.

The Bible neither commends nor condemns what David did. It just reports that he danced before the Lord with all his might. You approve of what he did because you enjoy doing it, but it is wrong to say that 2 Samuel 6 gives either justification for or prohibition against doing it. It does neither.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

Who made Michal BARREN?

David or God Most High?

I think you better back up on that one because David didn't have the power to take away her fertility, SORRY!

 

[flaglady]

I promoted concerts for more than a decade. I did more than 50 cocnerts in all and I liked the rock concerts the best. The only time I got in a mosh pit (check my age) was at a Newboys/Steve Taylor concert in the mid-90s. Those big old boys liked to have killed me. It was like someone had yelled “fire” in a Dallas Cowboy locker room and I was in the doorway.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

Oh, Jim - yes, I quite forgot that!! Sorry - just call it a senior moment!!

I know what you mean about being 'in the pit', though. In 1997 I went to a conference up here in Sunderland. It was held in a sports centre and because I had a bad knee, my friend and I were sitting on the bottom/front seat of the bleaches. I heard the Lord telling me to kneel before Him but was reluctant to do so because of the dozens of young men moshing like crazy close around me. Not only which, it had been raining cats and dogs and the floor was a sea of mud! It would have been (and was) like kneeling in a cattle pen!! But I obeyed and received a most amazing and instant healing of my arthritic left knee. Now if only he would do the same for my right knee - no wait; perhaps I need a moshing pen and lots of mud!!!!

 

[nephilimiyr]

True, but one man's worship to God, regardless if He is moved on BY THE SPIRIT or NOT, is still Holy unto the Lord and shouldn't be judged or critisized.

Who is the One being worshipped here?

Freedom is to give to God the Worship due His Name. Not by some rule or code or standard.

I agree with you and believe that was the point I was trying to make.

 

[Glenda]

At least it shows sign of life in the church..

I read a book.. the author said that a man died at a church service..

The rescue crew had to remove "3 rows of dead worshippers" before they found the man that had the heart attack & passed.. *wink*

If we feel moved to "hoot & holler" for a rock star.. or a football team.. How much more should be moved to give a jump & a shout for the King of Kings.. the Lord of Lords.. The Alpha & Omega?

Psa 150:1 Praise Jehovah. Praise God in His sanctuary; praise Him in the expanse of His power.
Psa 150:2 Praise Him for His mighty acts; praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
Psa 150:3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; praise Him with the harp and lyre.
Psa 150:4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; praise Him with stringed instruments and pipes.
Psa 150:5 Praise Him on the sounding cymbals; praise Him with the resounding cymbals.
Psa 150:6 Let everything that breathes praise Jehovah. Praise Jehovah!

People do praise in their own ways though.. My hubby is very quiet a lot of the time in his worship of God..

Because God comes and takes him for walks & talks.. His body is there.. but his spirit is off walking with the Lord.. *smile*

 

[JimB]

Who made Michal BARREN?

David or God Most High?

I think you better back up on that one because David didn't have the power to take away her fertility, SORRY!

I think you are reading too much into the text. The Bible does not say she was “barren” or that the Lord made her that way. It simply states that she had no children after that time. The reason being, IMO, the confrontation between her and David on that day probably ended up with them in separate bedrooms. After that day the Bible says, “she despised him in her heart.”

Here’’s the biblical account (2 Samuel 6):

16 Now as the ark of the LORD came into the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter, looked through a window and saw King David leaping and whirling before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. 17 So they brought the ark of the LORD, and set it in its place in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD. 18 And when David had finished offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts. 19 Then he distributed among all the people, among the whole multitude of Israel, both the women and the men, to everyone a loaf of bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins. So all the people departed, everyone to his house.

20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!”

21 So David said to Michal, “It was before the LORD, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the LORD. 22 And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.”

23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.
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Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

 

[flaglady]

If we feel moved to "hoot & holler" for a rock star.. or a football team.. How much more should be moved to give a jump & a shout for the King of Kings.. the Lord of Lords.. The Alpha & Omega?

How funny - I have just put that very comment - word for word - in a PowerPoint presentation I'm using in a flag worship workshop a couple of weeks hence!!

 

[JimB]

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If we feel moved to "hoot & holler" for a rock star.. or a football team.. How much more should be moved to give a jump & a shout for the King of Kings.. the Lord of Lords.. The Alpha & Omega?

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Um, because the King of kings and Lord of lords is not a rock star or football idol. When we get to heaven, our first reaction will not be to hoop and holler. “And there was silence in heaven for the space of half an hour” (Rev. 8.1).

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

 

[lismore]

Um, because the King of kings and Lord of lords is not a rock star or football idol. When we get to heaven, our first reaction will not be to hoop and holler. “And there was silence in heaven for the space of half an hour” (Rev. 8.1).

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

A half hour silence is still not a quaker meeting

 

[nephilimiyr]

Um, because the King of kings and Lord of lords is not a rock star or football idol. When we get to heaven, our first reaction will not be to hoop and holler. “And there was silence in heaven for the space of half an hour” (Rev. 8.1).

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

You got to be kidding me :o You are useing Rev. 8:1 to say that we will not be making noise in heaven when we get there? The reason for the silence was because of the opening of the 7th seal, we're not even in heaven yet when this occures but whoever is in heaven will be quieted! The 30 minutes of silence does not represent the time when we get to heaven.

Jim, the Rev. passage clearly shows that this 30 minutes of silence was something very special, a very unusual time or moment to have taken place. It's a one time event in my opinion.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I think you are reading too much into the text. The Bible does not say she was “barren” or that the Lord made her that way. It simply states that she had no children after that time. The reason being, IMO, the confrontation between her and David on that day probably ended up with them in separate bedrooms. After that day the Bible says, “she despised him in her heart.”



Here’’s the biblical account (2 Samuel 6):

16 Now as the ark of the LORD came into the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter, looked through a window and saw King David leaping and whirling before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart. 17 So they brought the ark of the LORD, and set it in its place in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD. 18 And when David had finished offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts. 19 Then he distributed among all the people, among the whole multitude of Israel, both the women and the men, to everyone a loaf of bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins. So all the people departed, everyone to his house.

20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!”

21 So David said to Michal, “It was before the LORD, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the LORD. 22 And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.”

23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.


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Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

Jim, back then a married women was considered cursed if she did not bare children. It was considered a bad thing, not a good thing to not have children. So whether she did not have children because of some physical condition that left her childless or simply because her and David never again had relations is a moot point. Women back then did not enjoy the freedoms and equality that women of today have. You have to read the Bible with the frame of mind of the times and culture in which it was written.

Otherwise I might backtrack on believing she was barren because of Judgement from God.

 

[pdudgeon]

How funny - I have just put that very comment - word for word - in a PowerPoint presentation I'm using in a flag worship workshop a couple of weeks hence!!

WOOO-HOO!
when God flows, He really flows!

 

[JimB]

A half hour silence is still not a quaker meeting

But a half-hour of silence in a Pentecostal service is, like, eternity.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

 

[lismore]

But a half-hour of silence in a Pentecostal service is, like, eternity.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

I heard of a meeting once where everyone got slain in the SPirit while they were praising, with the exception of two people. My aunt and uncle

So there was silence in that pentecostal meeting for a few hours.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Okay. But you need to use your God-given common sense in church moshing. I don’t mosh (i.e., jump up and down) at Wal-Mart, the grocery store, doctor’s waiting rooms, the library, symphonic concerts, university classroom lectures, funerals, wedding ceremonies and a lot of other public events where it is not well-mannered to do so, either. But I may mosh at a rock concert, pep rally, or ballgame, where it is acceptable.

I may mosh at a Penetcostal campmeeting and some live-wire Charismatic churches where it is acceptable but maybe not in a liturgical Anglican worship service where it is not.

Depends on your surroundings whether some behavior is decent and in order.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

Moshing is a the act of slam dancing into each other. You see these things called mosh pits in concerts.

Jumping up and down in a whorship service is not moshing.

It's very interesting that you used that word "mosh".
It reminds me of the nonbelievers who go around saying "shove down my throat", and "push your religion".
When those words don't line up with what they are talking about.
In other words, it's manipulation to try and get a point across.

Is it common sense to clap, sing with all your heart, give sermons, pass the collection plate........in department stores, dentist offices, funerals, and whatever else you mentioned???


What about David who took his clothes off and danced before the Lord. Is that common sense?
He even said "I will become even more undignified than this."

 

[lismore]

Psalm 150 1 Praise the LORD. [a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

 

[pdudgeon]

Holy is the Lord, God Almighty!
the earth is filled with His glory.

 

[JimB]

You got to be kidding me :o You are useing Rev. 8:1 to say that we will not be making noise in heaven when we get there? The reason for the silence was because of the opening of the 7th seal, we're not even in heaven yet when this occures but whoever is in heaven will be quieted! The 30 minutes of silence does not represent the time when we get to heaven.

Jim, the Rev. passage clearly shows that this 30 minutes of silence was something very special, a very unusual time or moment to have taken place. It's a one time event in my opinion.

Clearly? Perhaps, if you interpret Revelation that way (I don’t). My point was, silence is as much a part of God’s economy as hooping an hollering. Unless I am off base there too.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

 

[J4Jesus]

2 Samuel 6
16 Now as the ark of the LORD came into the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter, looked through a window and saw King David leaping and whirling before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
17 So they brought the ark of the LORD, and set it in its place in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.
18 And when David had finished offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts.
19 Then he distributed among all the people, among the whole multitude of Israel, both the women and the men, to everyone a loaf of bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins. So all the people departed, everyone to his house. 20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!”
21 So David said to Michal, “It was before the LORD, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the LORD.
22 And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.”
23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.


The word 'therefore' shows what is said is connected, related to, the results of, what was before it. I believe its true what I have heard some say, that " When you see the word "therefore" look at the verses before that to see what it's there for".

 

[nephilimiyr]

Clearly? Perhaps, if you interpret Revelation that way (I don’t). My point was, silence is as much a part of God’s economy as hooping an hollering. Unless I am off base there too.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

Yes I do think you are off base on that. For the very fact that there was total silence in heaven speaks to me that it is an unusual thing, not as much a part of what heaven is really like, otherwise why would John point it out? If silence in heaven is as frequent as you would like it to be John had no reason to point it out in my opinion.
Of course I don't think the hooping and hollering and jumping up and down is as chaotic as you make it sound to be.

I think the real problem here Jim is that I get the sense that you want to judge others and because you're not into jumping up and down in Church service (I'm not either) then you believe no one else should. Am I correct on that? This is only what I sense from you, not what I accuse you of.
You see, I'm not into hooping and hollering and jumping up and down in Church either. I was raised Catholic and was taught to be nice and quiet and respectful but I for the life of me don't understand why someone would want to condemn it either, especially in a place were it is encouraged to be yourself and worship freely.

 

[habeas]

Luke 19:37-40

And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in he name of the Lord: peace in heaven and glory in the highest. And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace the stones would immediately cry out.

If you must keep silence, please do not expect the Lord to rebuke those who cannot contain their peace for expressing the glory of the Lord in the loudest, most boisterous way!

Perhaps these in the multitude should have consulted the texts and analyzed to death whether or not they should praise the Lord in a loud voice. Perhaps they could not or else the ROCKS would CRY OUT!

And, mind you, they were IN PUBLIC!