Woman who preaches in Church

[Strong in Him]

God doesn' lt always punish straight away. That does not mean He will not punish at all.

Sometimes He will kill you immediatelly after comitting a sin, other times not,

God doesn't kill Christians after they sin.
Responding to God's call to preaching or ordination is not a sin; failure to respond and obey God, would be.

Who can understand the mind of the Lord?

Read the rest of the verse - "we have the mind of Christ, 1 Corinthians 2:16.

Why is sin growing? Why are abortions growing? Does that make it right?

Is it the born-again Christians who are persisting in sin and abortions?

if you study the Bible you will see unrighteousness will increase the closed we are to Lord's coming. The false teacherd will increase, so will rebellion.

If you read the Bible you will see that God appointed female leaders, prophets and teachers.
Who are "false teachers"?

Just because there is not enough male teachers according to you, does not mean that it's oo to rebel and have female teachers.

Is it rebellion to do what God has called you to do? Why did God appoint Deborah as judge over all Israel?

If I remember correctly, there was a time in OT when there was only one true prophet in Israel.

When was that?
Even if that had been true, that was OT. I am talking about believers in Christ; those filled with God's Spirit.

God has enough male teachers, and if the number is low, perhaps we should ask ourselves if we don't live in disobedience. Lot of churches do.

Some churches tell God that he cannot do something - i.e call women to preach in HIS church. Is that not disobedience?
Some churches tell women they cannot even test the calling that they have received from God, nor use the gifts that he has given them. Are they loving as Jesus loved them? Is that not disobedience?

 

[Apple Sky]

God doesn't kill Christians after they sin.

I hope not else we'd all be dead

 

[Strong in Him]

I hope not else we'd all be dead

Exactly.

 

[Postvieww]

I will engage with you further when you explain how a woman can be a husband.

Do you allow women to prophecy in your church? If not why not? After all we are obeying scripture here right?

 

[Postvieww]

What we are witnessing by some on this thread are some men who get off on lording it over women and missing using scripture as the big stick to beat them down. God can and will use anyone He chooses for whatever purpose He chooses and will not be put in a scriptural box dictated by man’s interpretation of His Word. It seems many are proficient at shouting scripture they believe to support their beliefs but are ignoring others with no explanation. If you are a woman God has called to do anything obey Him!

 

[Clare73]

There are events in the word of God.

The Gospel includes events which are in the word of God.

He is risen > this is an event *and* the word of God which Jesus had Mary pass on to the disciples . . . as *His* message to them.

And, again, I find it quite interesting that Jesus appeared to Mary first . . . after He could have appeared to John and Peter.

< sigh >

 

[Clare73]

There are events in the word of God.

The Gospel includes events which are in the word of God.

He is risen > this is an event *and* the word of God which Jesus had Mary pass on to the disciples . . . as *His* message to them.

And, again, I find it quite interesting that Jesus appeared to Mary first . . . after He could have appeared to John and Peter.

< sigh >

 

[jas3]

What we are witnessing by some on this thread are some men who get off on lording it over women and missing using scripture as the big stick to beat them down.

Or, perhaps, there are people who hold to the historic, apostolic, scriptural faith who take issue with modern women trying to revive part of the Collyridian heresy. Your accusation is particularly ironic in that the churches that don't ordain women also tend to be the ones that venerate a woman more highly than any other saint.

God can and will use anyone He chooses for whatever purpose He chooses and will not be put in a scriptural box dictated by man’s interpretation of His Word.

God made the "scriptural box." I understand that a common feature of theological liberalism is to deny that, but it's true nevertheless.

It seem many are proficient at shouting scripture they believe to support their beliefs but are ignoring others with no explanation.

For me personally, I ignore anyone who seems to be here only to promote women's ordination or theological liberalism more generally and who is therefore unlikely to engage much with any critique of their arguments. It's much more spiritually healthy to hide those people's posts than to be tempted to argue with someone like that. I also don't get into the weeds with subjective arguments like the proper interpretation of αὐθεντεῖν or μαλακοὶ or ἀρσενοκοῖται.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Or, perhaps, there are people who hold to the historic, apostolic, scriptural faith who take issue with modern women trying to revive part of the Collyridian heresy. Your accusation is particularly ironic in that the churches that don't ordain women also tend to be the ones that venerate a woman more highly than any other saint.

God made the "scriptural box." I understand that a common feature of theological liberalism is to deny that, but it's true nevertheless.

For me personally, I ignore anyone who seems to be here only to promote women's ordination or theological liberalism more generally and who is therefore unlikely to engage much with any critique of their arguments. It's much more spiritually healthy to hide those people's posts than to be tempted to argue with someone like that. I also don't get into the weeds with subjective arguments like the proper interpretation of αὐθεντεῖν or μαλακοὶ or ἀρσενοκοῖται.

I'm not here to promote women's ordination. I'm here to promote a fuller, truer, more accurate and comprehensive engagement with God through His Church and through His Word.

Somehow, though, being that I have nearly zero problem with women being in the pulpit, I get dumped on because some fellow Christian folks in these here parts jump to the conclusion that just because I'm not against women's ordination, then I must therefore also be FOR every sin that Paul lines up in Romans chapter 1. That fallacy and false conclusion couldn't be further from the truth. No, I just read the Bible according to how I've learned to read it from many Biblical scholars from many different denominations.

 

[Jermayn]

Do you allow women to prophecy in your church? If not why not? After all we are obeying scripture here right?

I used to attend a Pentacostal church that allowed it, and women even preached sometime. That was before I'd read the Bible for myself. I would still attend sometimes if I was in that area, even though I don't agree with it. I attend a Baptist church now that abides by 1st Timothy in regard to the topic of this thread.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I used to attend a Pentacostal church that allowed it, and women even preached sometime. That was before I'd read the Bible for myself. I would still attend sometimes if I was in that area, even though I don't agree with it. I attend a Baptist church now that abides by 1st Timothy in regard to the topic of this thread.

One of these days, we're all going to wake up and realize that the issue of women in the pulpit is the least of the issues to be concerned over.

 

[Jermayn]

Here's a link to the book. Buy it, and read it and weep, Mr. Accuser.

I Suffer Not a Woman: Rethinking 1 Timothy 2:11-15 in Light of Ancient Evidence

Working from a wide range of primary sources, this book draws the reader into ancient world thought patterns faced by the writer of the Pastoral Epistles. The authors provide a compelling case for interpreting the text in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 as a refutation of false teaching, rather than as a...

www.christianbook.com

Lol. Do they explain how a woman can be the husband of one wife? I may check it out when I get some time, but I doubt there will be any tears unless it causes me to laugh that hard.

 

[Jermayn]

One of these days, we're all going to wake up and realize that the issue of women in the pulpit is the least of the issues to be concerned over.

Yes, compromising with the world to stroke the fragile egos of people who want to make the rules vs. abiding by God's rules is a far greater problem. This topic is just one small part of it.

 

[com7fy8]

< sigh >

< sigh >

. . . going the extra sigh . . .

Well, Paul does say for the woman not to teach or usurp authority "over" the man. It is also wrong for the man to teach and take undue, usurped authority "over" his wife.

I mean, there is godly teaching and there is unhumble and henpecking and dominating teaching.

So, I see how Paul can mean teaching in a wrong way. He says, for Eve was the one deceived, and therefore the wife should not teach the man. However, a Christian wife is not worldly and deceivable like Eve. But she could give in like how Eve did; and so she is warned not to be like Eve. But yes a Christian wife can help her man learn how to love and how to rule; and this is teaching him, but not "over" him. But Paul says, "teaching and admonishing one another", in Colossians 3:16. Not one over the other, but ministering to one another.

Plus, a good teacher demonstrates. One's actions and example are part of teaching. So, yes a wife's good example is helping her husband to learn the real meaning, the love meaning and not only some intellectual explanations, of God's word.

And I think of how Abigail rightly put David in his place: she even confronted and corrected him; but she did so in a way to honor and support David to be a great king and not ruin all that by doing what she stopped him from doing.

But there is the disdainful and dominating way that certain women can use teaching to put a man down. David did not criticize Abigail for helping him come to his senses. And she was teaching and helping him develop as a good king, not putting him down.

She was not communicating from disdainfulness, in that sort of teaching. She was speaking with a mouth of wisdom that no one could resist, possibly Jesus would say.

She was able to help David to learn how to love and how to rule. Every Christian lady can help to teach us men how to love and how to rule well in God's kingdom. Every lady of Jesus can be a man's helpmate, because Jesus in her makes her able to help anyone.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Lol. Do they explain how a woman can be the husband of one wife? I may check it out when I get some time, but I doubt there will be any tears unless it causes me to laugh that hard.

You're anti-intellectual cackling is noted and I'm not amused by your chosen stance of ignorance. Stonewalling another person's point of view as you're doing here, especially when you have ZERO understanding of it, also isn't edifying for anyone.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes, compromising with the world to stroke the fragile egos of people who want to make the rules vs. abiding by God's rules is a far greater problem. This topic is just one small part of it.

I have compromised nothing and your presumption that I have is utterly fallacious. Think again.

 

[Jermayn]

You're anti-intellectual cackling is noted and I'm not amused. Stonewalling another person's point of view when you have ZERO understanding of it also isn't edifying.

All you gotta do to get me on your side is tell me how a woman can be the husband of one wife. Can you do that or not?

 

[Postvieww]

I used to attend a Pentacostal church that allowed it, and women even preached sometime. That was before I'd read the Bible for myself. I would still attend sometimes if I was in that area, even though I don't agree with it. I attend a Baptist church now that abides by 1st Timothy in regard to the topic of this thread.

I hope you realize that 1 Timothy does not override other scriptures the deal with women who prophesy Are we in the last days? I read my Bible too and it does not contradict itself.

 

[Jermayn]

I hope you realize that 1 Timothy does not override other scriptures the deal with women who prophecy. Are we in the last days? I read my Bible too and it does not contradict itself.

The old testament doesn't override 1st Timothy.

 

[Strong in Him]

Lol. Do they explain how a woman can be the husband of one wife?

A woman doesn't need to be the husband of one wife.

When that was written, women had few rights. Jewish and Greek women had no rights at all; those who had become Christians were becoming liberated through the way that Jesus, and the church, treated women. Jesus DID allow women to follow him, learn from him, speak for him and witness to him, so his followers were doing the same. That's why Mary, and others, were in the upper room before Pentecost praying alongside the men.
Even so, women had not yet been allowed to become leaders in the church. So it would have been pointless saying "if you are female and want to be an elder you must be the wife of one husband". Women were not, then, able to be elders - so there was no point in writing instructions about how they should behave.

In the same way, Jesus teaches that a man must not divorce his wife - in fact the whole Bible talks of men doing the divorcing.
What about women divorcing their husbands? In those days it was impossible. There was no point in telling women not to do that; they couldn't.
These days women CAN divorce their husbands. There is no verse in the Bible which says that a woman can't kick her husband out - does that mean I would be allowed to do so? Why not; the Bible doesn't forbid it.

So the principle is; if you are married - male or female - this is the teaching on marriage. Similarly, if you are a leader - male or female - this is how you should behave.