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Woke Culture is Clueless Why Average People Do Not Like Woke Entertainment

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It would be nice if most movies and games were normal again.
Yeah I miss the funny and non politically correct movies. Even when they mocked the church lol like Monty Python.

Its funny as the thought crossed my mind for a moment that Hollywood had finally got back to entertainment with the drone sightings everywhere lol. A bit like Orsen Wells radio show before TV War of the Worlds which many people believed that aliens from Mars were attacking the earth.

A strange coincident is that in the original radio show the aliens had landed around New Jersey and people in New Jersey really thought the aliens were coming.

But I though all these drones was a new way to premier a virtual reality movie where real people were the extras lol. The drones were in preparation for a reality TV movie where the audience were part of the movie.

I was think man Hollywood is getting back to entertainment in a new way. Like when Stars Wars first came out and you see that massive space ship fly over head for the first time. It will get there. They should get back to telling some true stories especially of beating the odds. Or even historic ones like Troy or Gladiator was a classic with a great moral story.

But even modern versions of todays reality. Tell it like it is with a twist of imagination and poetic licence. Its a formula for success.
 
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Sometimes they seem to change things just to make them "woke". However, the end result is often something that is "woke" and suffers from other issues. For example, bad writing, bad plot, etc. When it fails it's easy to say it easy to say that people are racist or don't like women or whatever rather than looking at the actual cause of failure.


For example - riding on the success of the movies a Marvel game called "The Avengers" was release in 2020. It ultimately flopped and was shut down.

On the cover of the game you see the familiar Avengers, Cpt. America, Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow.. and kind of sandwiched between (but not out front by any means) is a young dark skinned girl in a hero costume.

The girl is Kamala Khan who goes on to become, "Ms. Marvel" - she's a young Pakistani American Muslim teen from NJ. Anyway, MUCH of the game ended up being about her, being told from her vantage point and the player is playing her character.

Anything wrong with a young Muslim teen girl being an Avenger? Nope.

But, people wanted to play as one of the traditional Avengers and many were not happy having so much of the game about Kamala and being forced to play her. Particularly, when that was not apparent from the marketing.

The game had a whole mountain of other issues, bugs, poor design decisions, fixes that broke more things than they fixed, etc. and ultimately it was shelved.

Sometimes "woke" movies, games or books come with a whole host of other issues that when taken in combination make the resulting product just awful.
 
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Woke Culture is Clueless Why Average Americans Do Not Like Woke Movies:

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Woke-infected minds think all MAGA followers or everyday average Americans are just simply racist, and against women being leaders.
Little do they realize that most Trump voters do not have a problem with films that have a strong female or black man as the protagonist, but it has to do with proper and good storytelling from honoring established storylines instead of pushing a modern-day Ideology they would prefer not to swallow. This ideology is that the white man is bad, and they are all racist, and women are on the same level as men physically. The Woke ideology including DEI goes even further than that, which enters into the realm of what Lot had to face when he was pulled out of his home by two angels.


The article above criticizes MAGA supporters in that they unjustly attack Disney's recent woke entertainment.
The author in the article (Bill Addis) above basically states that from the MAGA supporter's perspectives,
…the actress in the new Snow White film was not white enough (they muse).
But this is not the real reason why MAGA supporters do not like this new Snow White movie.

First, the lead actress (Rachel Zegler) playing the role of Snow White in this new Snow White film stated,
"May Trump supporters and Trump voters and Trump himself never know peace".
Many have interpreted this statement by the actress as a direct attack on a substantial segment of the American population.
Hence, why it rubbed many MAGA supporters (or patriotic Americans) the wrong way.
Second, another major reason why Trump supporters do not like this new Snow White film is because it does not honor the original film but instead pushes the Woke agenda.

Personally, I never liked the original Snow White cartoon movie.
Nevertheless, I do understand that there are fans of this film.
The new movie fundamentally transforms the prince's character by:
  • Removing the traditional "true love's kiss" rescue scenario
  • Eliminating the romantic storyline as the primary plot driver
  • Shifting focus from romantic rescue to Snow White's personal empowerment
Zegler highlighted this change by noting that Snow White is "not going to be dreaming about true love" but instead "dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. Now, MAGA supporters do not have problems with other stories with strong female leads. Wonder Woman did really well at the box office, and I am sure many of them were Trump voters. The problem is changing an already established story that many people love and then changing it to push an ideology that everything must be re-imagined to make it woke or focused on diversity or DEI. Most people don't want this kind of message shoved in their faces.

The article also highlights the upcoming Captain America sequel, featuring Falcon (Steve Rogers' trusted sidekick, who is Black) stepping into the role of Captain America. The article of course criticizes MAGA supporters in their expected rejection of this movie. No doubt, they most likely think all MAGA supporters are just simply racist when this is not the case. One, this type of storyline has never hit off well in comic book sales. Fans of the Captain America series do not really see Falcon as Captain America. They will always think Cap is Steve Rodgers, who is a white male Protestant Christian. The new Cap film is pushing the DEI agenda. Instead of going with an established storyline that Captain America fans love, Disney decides to push the woke agenda. Yes, I know Falcon was given the shield to be Cap back in the Avengers (which is not a problem because it was a minor scene), but to do a movie on this character is not smart financially, and nor would it please many Cap fans. They will just see this new Cap film as some kind of ideological agenda from the Left. Even worse, the character of the United States president in this film (Harrison Ford) turns into a monster (i.e., the Red Hulk). This seems symbolic or representative of Trump. Some have even made cartoons of Trump as the Hulk before this film was ever imagined. I am sure it was not a coincidence that the Woke creators were thinking this when writing the script. They think "orange man" is bad. Yet, they never bother to get out of their echo chamber and investigate the reality of things outside of the View on MSNBC and or other Left-wing media outlets. Therefore, they see Trump as the Hulk or Hitler.

Again, this is not to say that comic books and their film adaptations have not done well with strong black leads. Black Panther sold well in the comic book industry and did well as a film in theaters. The problem is not a strong female lead or a strong black protagonist. The problem is when you change an established story whereby it is not natural and it actually ruins what the original story or storyline was about. Yes, I know Green Lantern later featured a black Green Lantern and it did well. But this is a character whereby it is the passing of a power ring, and not something like Captain America who symbolizes America, and whose character is tied to the 1940s. It would be like having a black or Asian man playing Superman in an upcoming movie. However, such an approach would destroy the picture of what fans believe Superman should be. Again, I think changing minor Marvel characters to be black is fine. This worked with Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury in the Avengers films (Which was established in the comics ahead of time). My top two favorite TV shows of all time in the past were Alias and Deep Space Nine. Alias had a strong female lead, and DS9 had strong black lead. I was in total acceptance of this. They were great characters and these shows had some of the best storylines around. The point here is that fans can see when an agenda is being pushed and most often natural good storytelling also suffers as a result, as well. The story is sacrificed upon the altar of DEI. There should be no DEI junk. We are all Americans or we all bleed red. Folks who have no appreciation of these stories or characters and have 100% sold out to the Woke agenda will in most cases, not understand this. They either forgot what good movies were or they never truly experienced them, or they sold out to an agenda that has warped their common sense and natural taste for normal and good art. They do not understand that regular people do not want woke stuff pushed in their faces. They do not understand that they are the new kids on the block and they are the ones who are seeking to tear down normalcy that has existed for many decades here in America.

While I have given up watching Marvel movies, Alias, and DS9 to follow Christ, I do think good stories can help people.
But when the story is changed to push an ideology that many reject, it just doesn't make any sense.
Who is the intended audience?

Side Note:

While this is not related to the film industry, it does relate to the topic involving DEI.
Jaguar's new car advertisement has gone totally woke, and it has faced heavy criticism.
There is not even a car in the advertisement!
Yet, Jaguar decides to double down and attack such criticism calling people hateful.
Well, even Jesus criticized others heavily. It doesn't mean He was hateful.
Does Jaguar not want to sell cars? Or are they more interested in pushing the DEI agenda that many people don't want?

True. I think Disney has been butchering my favorite franchises ever since they released the Eternals movie. Then, they messed up She-Hulk, and decided to further the egregiousness of their bad writing with the release of both the Acolyte and Agatha.

I don't know what they could do to get me back........................................ I'm waiting for them to kill off more favorite franchises.

They'll probably even screw up Ghost Rider and the Hulk (two of my all-time favorites). I have no positive expectations any longer.
 
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I don't mean the production side but rather the story line, how the moral of the story is interwoven. This is based on real life examples that naturally happen and are not engineered deliberately. Its usually the same moral story repeated in different ways.


I understand what you meant. You're still wrong. Everything about those stories is chosen. I don't recall any of them that were based on historical events - some were based on older fairy tales, but none were historical, unless you think that Cinderella's pumpkin naturally magicked into a coach or that there was a real Arendelle royal family whose lineage was saved from foreign usurpers by an act of true love.

Its when a new moral code is artifically forced that is Woke.

In fiction, every "moral code" is artificially forced. It's all made up.

It would be nice if most movies and games were normal again.

What's your idea of "normal"? When fat Italian-American plumbers ran around headbutting turtles and jumping over venus fly traps? When hedgehogs could run super fast around roller coasters? When little yellow circles had to run around a maze catching nuggets and avoiding ghosts?
 
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What's your idea of "normal"? When fat Italian-American plumbers ran around headbutting turtles and jumping over venus fly traps? When hedgehogs could run super fast around roller coasters? When little yellow circles had to run around a maze catching nuggets and avoiding ghosts?
Dragon Age Origins as opposed to the newest one. The original was pretty subversive mind you but it's tame by the standards of the modern one. Or what about the original LOTR when compared to Rings of power?

If anything Mario has maintained it's normalcy throughout the years. Mario continues to represent the patriarchal saviour of the damsel in distress. Good versus evil without the need to deconstruct Bowser's motives. Seems like a normal fantasy story to me and a silly example on your part.
 
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Not sure why CF alerted me to a months-old thread, but here we are. Anyways...



What an odd proposition. I have to wonder if you've ever actually watched any kids' programming, because morality and even politics are staples of the genre. It's arguably the better-quality programming that tends to hew more towards these topics.

Without morality, Sesame Street and Mr Roger's (granted, tv, not movies) would be completely gutted. Disney movies have long featured morality and/or politics (or politically-relevant moral issues) as central themes: Snow White, Bambi, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Robin Hood, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. Those are just the old ones. It's a little silly to say that moviegoers "don't like woke movies" when most (maybe all) of their recent hits (of which there are many) contain many strong moral, often "woke" themes. Moana, Frozen, Brave, Elemental, Zootopia, Cars, Wall-E, Maleficent... those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.




lol. You're decrying "DEI" and "woke agendas" while claiming DS9 as one of your favorite shows. I've only watched Alias once or twice, so I won't comment on it, but I've watched a lot of Star Trek and I have to wonder how much you were paying attention. The entire franchise, at least before JJ Abrams got ahold of it, was deliberately "woke" to the point that it was ahead of it's time by at least a generation. Kirk and Uhura shared the first scripted on-screen inter-racial kiss merely a year after Loving v Virginia. Commander Data's entire story arc centered around what it means to be human and how the traditional definitions were insufficient. The Prime Directive promotes anti-colonialism, non-interventionism and respect of indigenous peoples. The Federation economy is a post-capitalist utopia were people want for nothing, and capitalist Ferengi are looked on with scorn. Those Ferengi, amusingly, mock earth's nuclear arms race in one episode. Encounter at Farpoint decries exploitation of other life forms and emphasizes civil rights for the legally accused. In DS9, Dax's gender and sexuality were... fluid.

I struggle to think of another franchise as overtly "woke" on so many fronts as Star Trek. Fortunately, most of its formative tv run occurred in a time before there was such a backlash against "wokeism."

I agree that it's not uncommon for people to push their agendas over quality writing, but that's hardly exclusive to the left. That's a big reason why so much evangelical media is so bad.

In the middle of the Vietnam War, Mr. Rogers had a series of skits poking fun at the logic of militarism with the character King Friday. So even Mr. Rogers could be political.
 
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In the middle of the Vietnam War, Mr. Rogers had a series of skits poking fun at the logic of militarism with the character King Friday. So even Mr. Rogers could be political.
Dang.

Can you imagine the outcry from hunting groups if Disney made something like Bambi today?
 
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Archbishop of York Rev Stephen Cottrell said that starting the Lord's Prayer with 'Our Father' is problematic

His comments to the General Synod were welcomed by some in the clergy. But they were criticised by traditionalists and risk triggering another row over woke language in the Church.

It emerged that the CofE is considering referring to God in 'non-gendered' terms in services for the first time, which could see priests stop using the pronouns He and Him in prayers.
 
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I understand what you meant. You're still wrong. Everything about those stories is chosen. I don't recall any of them that were based on historical events - some were based on older fairy tales, but none were historical, unless you think that Cinderella's pumpkin naturally magicked into a coach or that there was a real Arendelle royal family whose lineage was saved from foreign usurpers by an act of true love.
Old fairy tales and myths are based on real life. The pumpkin turning into the carriage is the imaginative wrap over the moral story so its remembered. After a while people can believe the imaginative stuff really happened like a flying dragon. So for Cinderella the moral is the least likely girl gets the princess.

The imaginative wrapping helps to remember about midnight and changing back into her rags. From rags to riches. Theres lots of morals in these stories. Those who are spiteful and mean like the step sisters and mother never win, true beauty isn't in wealth or title ect.

The flying dragon represented the evil force that attacked the villages which was orinally a great force like the evil warlord of an army or gand coming to attack the commoners. Then a hero emerges to lead others to defeat the evil warlord. This is then wrapped in legends like KIng George defeating the fire breathing dragon. Then dragons are symbolised as the big threat on your doorstep that needs to be confronted.

The dragon is also mentioned in Revelations. So it must represent something deeper in us that is to do with good and evil.

DRAGON: The Archetypal Monster and Ally Within
In fiction, every "moral code" is artificially forced. It's all made up.
Not exactly. The morals I just described above are natural morals we all relate to. Such as being nasty ends up backfiring on you. Being greedy and walking over others to get rich, marry the prince ends up backfiring and the humble girl ends up winning the princes heart.

These themes are repreated in movies over and over because its real life. Well its something to aspire to as to what makes a good person and story. Theres a bit of justice and fairness and equality in that the least expected triumph.
What's your idea of "normal"? When fat Italian-American plumbers ran around headbutting turtles and jumping over venus fly traps? When hedgehogs could run super fast around roller coasters? When little yellow circles had to run around a maze catching nuggets and avoiding ghosts?
Yeah some media just anit got any morals and its just for fun. Though there are some like GFA which is more real life situations.
 
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Archbishop of York Rev Stephen Cottrell said that starting the Lord's Prayer with 'Our Father' is problematic
His comments to the General Synod were welcomed by some in the clergy. But they were criticised by traditionalists and risk triggering another row over woke language in the Church.

It emerged that the CofE is considering referring to God in 'non-gendered' terms in services for the first time, which could see priests stop using the pronouns He and Him in prayers.
We have seen the feminisation of society over recent years. Male traits and mascullinity have been demonised and neutralised in schools and boys are falling behind in education with no strong male role models.

But the churches are not immune and we have seen a rise in pushing for women priests. Women as more agreeable and compromising generally by nature. So along with the feminisation of churches comes compromises on Gods words to be accommodating and PC. A big lie is denying Christs maleness and His judgement of sinners.

Progressive try to make our Christ is all about love, but the worlds version of love, love is love and it overlooks sin kind of love. Making out Christ accepts sinners and progressive ideology.

But Christ said He did not come to bring peace but to divide fathers against sone on account of His word and Truth.

So just like Woke has destroyed businesses its also destroying Gods truth. A big part of progressive ideology is controlling the narrative. Reinventing word meanings. Ideologues believe words and narratives create reality and not reality itself. So if you say your a male then you are one. Thats why they labels like this politician is a Nazi or Fascist and they keep repeating it hoping it eventually becomes reality.

Except sooner or later people see that their words don't match reality. You can say it a 1,000 times but if it doesn't match reality then its exposed as fake. Thats why its important to call out these lies simply by repeating the facts and truth every tme they lie. They have no answer but to become agressive and then call you names.
 
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Old fairy tales and myths are based on real life. The pumpkin turning into the carriage is the imaginative wrap over the moral story so its remembered. After a while people can believe the imaginative stuff really happened like a flying dragon. So for Cinderella the moral is the least likely girl gets the princess.

The imaginative wrapping helps to remember about midnight and changing back into her rags. From rags to riches. Theres lots of morals in these stories. Those who are spiteful and mean like the step sisters and mother never win, true beauty isn't in wealth or title ect.

The flying dragon represented the evil force that attacked the villages which was orinally a great force like the evil warlord of an army or gand coming to attack the commoners. Then a hero emerges to lead others to defeat the evil warlord. This is then wrapped in legends like KIng George defeating the fire breathing dragon. Then dragons are symbolised as the big threat on your doorstep that needs to be confronted.

The dragon is also mentioned in Revelations. So it must represent something deeper in us that is to do with good and evil.

DRAGON: The Archetypal Monster and Ally Within

Not exactly. The morals I just described above are natural morals we all relate to. Such as being nasty ends up backfiring on you. Being greedy and walking over others to get rich, marry the prince ends up backfiring and the humble girl ends up winning the princes heart.

These themes are repreated in movies over and over because its real life. Well its something to aspire to as to what makes a good person and story. Theres a bit of justice and fairness and equality in that the least expected triumph.

Yeah some media just anit got any morals and its just for fun. Though there are some like GFA which is more real life situations.
What, in your opinion, are some examples of unnatural “wokeness” in contemporary animated Disney movies?
 
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I'm watching the series, "The Man in High Castle," and I still can't get used
to seeing two males in romantic-make-out scenes with each other. Why it's in your
face today and in just about every avenue including commercials is disgusting to
me, If you were to mention how two males engage in anal sex, the grossness of
the idea would turn people off.
 
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wut? I don’t think you understand how these things are made. We’re talking about, for the most part, cartoons, where absolutely every single thing about them is a decision that somebody made. Cartoons aren’t assemblages of random b-roll; they’re drawn, deliberately, by people.

On top of that, we’re talking about stories featuring talking birds, enchanted mirrors, fairy godmothers, and magic spells broken with a kiss. There is nothing natural about any of that.
Yes, after becoming a Christian, I did have a problem with even old Disney cartoons promoting witchcraft, which is condemned in the Bible. Most don't care and they just want their entertainment. Not that I agree with it, but I think many Christians believe witchcraft is seen as more fantasy and not real in our culture. However, even these same Christians have enough common sense to know that the sins of Sodom, and the changing of pronouns to fit an agenda that is completely unnatural. My concern is you seem to be in defense of this kind of sinful woke agenda as if it is not a problem. DEI, or woke garbage is actually racism and not equality because it pays preferential treatment to those of a particular skin color, gender, and a particular sinful sexual preference. So, if your white, too bad. If your a male, too bad.

The new presidential administration is setting out to make jobs that are color blind, and is strictly merit based. This is the proper avenue to take. Forcing people to say certain pronouns and getting fired over it (if they do not agree), and having established characters in a well known film franchise turn into some kind of DEI nightmare is just a false agenda being pushed that your average American does not want to have pushed upon them. Children being able to sue their parents over their refusal for sex change operations is pure insanity. Women in men's sports is just leads to the stupidity that happened at the Olympics. Do you really want kids swimwear to push Sodomy? What happened to Sodom?

See, your push that nothing has really changed is a smokescreen. Things have not gotten as bad as they are today in popular films.
Sure, I imagine you can point to some obscure film or movie in the past, but it was never in the forefront and in your face of the kind of evil that is being pushed today. The wokeness monster is sinful and evil. Any Christian who is defending this demon should repent and return to the Lord their God.
 
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Yes, after becoming a Christian, I did have a problem with even old Disney cartoons promoting witchcraft, which is condemned in the Bible. Most don't care and they just want their entertainment. Not that I agree with it, but I think many Christians believe witchcraft is seen as more fantasy and not real in our culture. However, even these same Christians have enough common sense to know that the sins of Sodom, and the changing of pronouns to fit an agenda that is completely unnatural. My concern is you seem to be in defense of this kind of sinful woke agenda as if it is not a problem. DEI, or woke garbage is actually racism and not equality because it pays preferential treatment to those of a particular skin color, gender, and a particular sinful sexual preference. So, if your white, too bad. If your a male, too bad.

I have a number of issues with your positions, but I've mainly been focusing, in this thread, on my perspective as someone who both consumes media and produces it professionally. To put it bluntly, you're judging things with double standards because you don't understand the facts about how media is created, have normalized the traditional presentations, and don't like the contemporary ones.


The new presidential administration is setting out to make jobs that are color blind, and is strictly merit based.

Is that why he's appointing a bunch of unqualified loyalists to his cabinet? Why he canned a bunch of IG's and is trying to purge both the military brass and civil service ranks of folks who didn't vote for him? Because he's interested in merit?


What happened to Sodom?


49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

They got called out for being rich, selfish, and proud. Funny how the sex bit always gets associated with them, but not the gluttony, selfishness, and pride that's celebrated throughout our culture.


See, your push that nothing has really changed is a smokescreen.

I didn't say that nothing has changed. Things have changed. What hasn't changed is that media, and especially kids media, is loaded with moral messages - that has always been the case. What's changed are some of the morals, and some of the examples used to teach those morals.


Things have not gotten as bad as they are today in popular films.

That's just not true. For one thing, the amount of gratuitous sex in popular films is way down from the 80's. Random boob flashes used to be pretty common, but are practically unheard of now. I'm less sure about profanity and violence, but I wouldn't be surprised if those were down, too, or at least more segregated to premium video services. FWIW, I attribute that more to marketability of PG-13 vs R movies more than I do any heightened sense of decorum on the part of Hollywood. But it's still a thing.
 
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I have a number of issues with your positions, but I've mainly been focusing, in this thread, on my perspective as someone who both consumes media and produces it professionally. To put it bluntly, you're judging things with double standards because you don't understand the facts about how media is created, have normalized the traditional presentations, and don't like the contemporary ones.




Is that why he's appointing a bunch of unqualified loyalists to his cabinet? Why he canned a bunch of IG's and is trying to purge both the military brass and civil service ranks of folks who didn't vote for him? Because he's interested in merit?






They got called out for being rich, selfish, and proud. Funny how the sex bit always gets associated with them, but not the gluttony, selfishness, and pride that's celebrated throughout our culture.




I didn't say that nothing has changed. Things have changed. What hasn't changed is that media, and especially kids media, is loaded with moral messages - that has always been the case. What's changed are some of the morals, and some of the examples used to teach those morals.




That's just not true. For one thing, the amount of gratuitous sex in popular films is way down from the 80's. Random boob flashes used to be pretty common, but are practically unheard of now. I'm less sure about profanity and violence, but I wouldn't be surprised if those were down, too, or at least more segregated to premium video services. FWIW, I attribute that more to marketability of PG-13 vs R movies more than I do any heightened sense of decorum on the part of Hollywood. But it's still a thing.

With that kind of statement, all I can do is pray for you.
 
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