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Witch... why?

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Your mankind is spiritually powerless interpretation is equally lacking.

Human beings are spiritually powerless. Something Scripture itself is pretty explicit about: All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. There is nothing powerful about human beings; we are weak, frail, sinful, and dead in our trespasses.

Perhaps you could offer a definition of "spiritual power", and then show how that relates to Christianity.

I certainly don't have any magical powers. This real life, not Dungeons & Dragons.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The demonic aspect of so-called "witchcraft" is simply this: The lie that it can accomplish anything at all. No one can figure out the future by looking at the stars. No one can change the world or affect oneself or others by performing superstitious rituals.

And I'll even throw this in: There are many Christians who, unaware, practice a form of "Christian magic" because they have been led astray by bad teachers and bad theology. The most obvious example of this are the advocates of the so-called "Prosperity Gospel" and the "word of faith" movement as a whole. It is literal esoteric beliefs dressed up in Sunday morning attire, just research the history of New Thought and its relationship with 20th century Word of Faith teachers (it's not mere coincidence that they are similar, there is a direct causal relationship between them).

Even outside of this damnable doctrine there are, tragically, many Christians who confuse prayer with magic. The "power" of prayer is not that by speaking words we can manipulate the heavens to operate in our favor; it's in learning to submit ourselves and wait patiently in God's mercy. It is the Holy Spirit who, in keeping us in faith, at the receiving end of grace through Word and Sacrament, keeps us abiding in Christ and preserves our faith that we should wait patiently upon the Lord, and lean upon Him and in Him as our refuge.

God isn't going to make my favorite team win the big game, or get me a new bigger house. But He is a loving and benevolent Father who hears me in my cry, and who comforts me with His mercy, and holds me and keeps me, telling me my sins are forgiven, and that even if in this world there is no justice, there is a Day when justice prevails--for the Lord Christ will come as Judge, and God will right all wrongs and set all of creation to rights; all shall be restored and made new. In this life I get sick, I suffer loss, and I behold the wicked often prosper while the righteous fail. Good is not rewarded in this life, and the widow and the orphan often are neglected, the hungry go without food, and the poor lack basic necessities--God wills that we ought to work toward justice, to feed, to clothe, to provide. But the world itself is unjust. God, therefore, desires that I learn to seek after heavenly treasure, to have my mind transformed, my heart changed, my entire attitude conformed to be that of Christ Jesus, who gave Himself freely, even to the point of the shame and suffering of death on the cross. For in God's kingdom the slave is greatest, the last is first, and the valleys raised up and the mountains laid low.

In the end God shall be all in all.

Superstition only blinds us from the truth of a world suffering in darkness and death; and the loving Savior who by His Cross and Empty Tomb brings light into the darkness, life to those in the tombs, and newness to this old decaying world.

Christ is risen from the dead
Trampling down death by death
And to those in the tombs
Bestowing life
.

-CryptoLutheran
Your first point that witchcraft can't do anything at all, is in my experience false. I am not a witch and I don't practice witchcraft as I have a moral issue with using it to cause harm or injury.
However, as you know, a number of my female relatives are witches and I have personal experience that their workings have indeed given rise to actual physical harm to people.
You may not choose to believe that, maybe it conflicts with your world view, but I have seen the intended injurious outcomes come to pass. This has happened a number of times, and beyond the possibility of mere coincidence.
From becoming sick, to mental breakdowns to broken legs. The parts targeted for injury have been injured. That all I have to say on that.
 
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Your first point that witchcraft can't do anything at all, is in my experience false. I am not a witch and I don't practice witchcraft as I have a moral issue with using it to cause harm or injury.
However, as you know, a number of my female relatives are witches and I have personal experience that their workings have indeed given rise to actual physical harm to people.
You may not choose to believe that, maybe it conflicts with your world view, but I have seen the intended injurious outcomes come to pass. This has happened a number of times, and beyond the possibility of mere coincidence.
From becoming sick, to mental breakdowns to broken legs. The parts targeted for injury have been injured. That all I have to say on that.

You're speaking truth friend.
 
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Sure as witches and witchcraft is opposed to The God of The Bible. So as a born again child of God i should have a dislike of this practice/religion. As it come from the darkness of this world and not from The Light of this world. As The Light opposes the darkness.

Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.

And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed.
 
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A friend of mine, raised jewish, then christian, then went back to judaism and studied under a rabbi for 18 months in Israel.. ended up being a skeptic who takes the sabbath extremely seriously, and is still able to provide me prophetic advice sometimes. so anyways..

Back in approximately 2014 he told me that he "crossed over a threshold in the spiritual realm" and then immediately won a bunch of money at the casino and he found a roll of 100 stamps on the ground a week later (worth 44$ at the time iirc). -no demons involved.

Sometime like year later this conversation came to mind and i said out loud "God make him repent"
18 hours later he breaks his ankle.. which then wakes him up a bit and he finds a job (he lives with his parents still)...

Another example of spiritual power... at a pre-birth experience conference. a woman who felt like a Christian to me started her talk off with a warning saying that when she was 5 years of age, she got really good at leaving her body and traveling around and seeing stuff observing people, etc, etc. as in, could do it at will, all the time, day time while awake or at night. till one day she heard: "a male voice speaking with authority told me: "get back inside your body and never do that again" of course that was Jesus. and again, no demons involved.

Elijah rebukes his servant saying: did you not know i was with you in spirit when you joined his chariot?
not only was elijah either remote viewing or astral projecting and watching his servant...
but the servant knew he was being watched!!!

this is before people were born again folks.. the prophets servant was just an average person spiritually. slightly more righteous, they probably kept the sabbath!!!

Another example is a girl half my age who was attracted to me. I took appropriate steps to stay away from her, but we cross paths too many times outside of my control. So anyhow last year her attraction to me was strong enough where she opened a door in the spiritual realm between us (sep 2023 iirc). I never touched her, physically ever, or in the spiritual realm except in sep 2022 when I healed her depression, and she doesn't know it was me, because she didn't make eye contact with me again for 9 months till june of 2023.

The second time she showed up again in the spiritual realm to me... was the saturday before she went to church, on leave (she joined the military fall 2023.) again, no demons involved. and i know this because one of my thoughts towards her.. she heard/saw it.. was repulsed, and immediately shut the door and hasn't opened it since then.

If this was a demon, and not actually her spirit.... it would have continued to tempt me. instead she shut the door.

anyhow, you still think humans are spiritually powerless and can't do "anything"?
 
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A friend of mine, raised jewish, then christian, then went back to judaism and studied under a rabbi for 18 months in Israel.. ended up being a skeptic who takes the sabbath extremely seriously, and is still able to provide me prophetic advice sometimes. so anyways..

Back in approximately 2014 he told me that he "crossed over a threshold in the spiritual realm" and then immediately won a bunch of money at the casino and he found a roll of 100 stamps on the ground a week later (worth 44$ at the time iirc). -no demons involved.

Sometime like year later this conversation came to mind and i said out loud "God make him repent"
18 hours later he breaks his ankle.. which then wakes him up a bit and he finds a job (he lives with his parents still)...

Another example of spiritual power... at a pre-birth experience conference. a woman who felt like a Christian to me started her talk off with a warning saying that when she was 5 years of age, she got really good at leaving her body and traveling around and seeing stuff observing people, etc, etc. as in, could do it at will, all the time, day time while awake or at night. till one day she heard: "a male voice speaking with authority told me: "get back inside your body and never do that again" of course that was Jesus. and again, no demons involved.

Elijah rebukes his servant saying: did you not know i was with you in spirit when you joined his chariot?
not only was elijah either remote viewing or astral projecting and watching his servant...
but the servant knew he was being watched!!!

this is before people were born again folks.. the prophets servant was just an average person spiritually. slightly more righteous, they probably kept the sabbath!!!

Another example is a girl half my age who was attracted to me. I took appropriate steps to stay away from her, but we cross paths too many times outside of my control. So anyhow last year her attraction to me was strong enough where she opened a door in the spiritual realm between us (sep 2023 iirc). I never touched her, physically ever, or in the spiritual realm except in sep 2022 when I healed her depression, and she doesn't know it was me, because she didn't make eye contact with me again for 9 months till june of 2023.

The second time she showed up again in the spiritual realm to me... was the saturday before she went to church, on leave (she joined the military fall 2023.) again, no demons involved. and i know this because one of my thoughts towards her.. she heard/saw it.. was repulsed, and immediately shut the door and hasn't opened it since then.

If this was a demon, and not actually her spirit.... it would have continued to tempt me. instead she shut the door.

anyhow, you still think humans are spiritually powerless and can't do "anything"?

Your anecdotes have not convinced me to start believing in magic or convert to Paganism. I continue to remain a Christian.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Witchcraft has been defined as
1. Abortion
2. Recreational Drugs
3. Biological warfare

There are rituals and "spells" connected with traditional witchcraft but the primary evil associated with the practice has to do with drugs, such as henbane, spanish fly and other "love potion #9" type substances. (recreational drugs)
Carlos Casteneda wrote a book about "shamanism" primarily drug induced states. The "shaman" was properly classed as Brujo (witch)

Biological warfare is well documented in transcripts dating from the middle ages where men were paid to blight a neighbors field with "magic dust."
There are many substances that when reduced to powders and potions can be used to "blight, anthrax being a notable example.
There were reports in darkest Africa of "witchdoctors" who were going to cast a spell of small pox on enemies.
If the witch doctors had vials of "magic dust" properly labeled "variola" that could be sprinkled around, that is not the modern fairy tale version of witchcraft as a harmless superstition promoted by halloween and hollywood.
 
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Christians seem to have a dislike for witches and witchcraft.
Apart from scripture saying people shouldn't practice witchcraft, are there any particular issues that Christians have... Why is witchcraft so disliked by Christians? Are you scared of them? What's the problem?
It’s a sin that can open doors to the demonic.
 
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