Will you be raptured to the feast of Abraham or left behind in Sodom?

[Deep Truth]

There are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, and another 500 prophecies will be fulfilled in the last days when the Lord returns to save a faithful remnant of Israel at the end of the tribulation.

And since the rapture is also a significant end-time event, you would expect there should be a few Old Testament scriptures that are prophetic for the saints who will be raptured to the feast of Abraham in heaven, while the “sons of the kingdom” are cast into outer darkness where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth,” Mat 8:11-12.

Matthew 8:11-12 "I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, (12) while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

The majority of prophecy teachers believe the “sons of the kingdom” thrown in outer darkness represent the unbelievers who are cast into the darkness of hell where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth,” Mat 8:12.

However when Jesus explained the parable of the wheat and the tares to his disciples he said, the “good seed” that he planted stands for the “sons of the kingdom,” while the tares are the sons of the evil one, Mat 13:37-38.

And in Lamentations “weeping and gnashing of teeth” is not speaking of hell, instead its a description for rebellious Israel who “wept tears of repentance” when they were being disciplined by the Lord, as they were handed over to the Babylonians who “gnashed their teeth” in anger as they persecuted God's disobedient people.

Lam 2:15a-18 All who pass along the way clap their hands at you; they hiss and wag their heads at the daughter of Jerusalem: (16) All your enemies rail against you; they hiss, they gnash their teeth, they cry: "We have swallowed her! Ah, this is the day we longed for; now we have it; we see it!" (17) The LORD has done what he purposed; he has carried out his word, which he commanded long ago; he has thrown down without pity; he has made the enemy rejoice over you and exalted the might of your foes. (18) Their heart cried to the Lord. O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears stream down like a torrent day and night! Give yourself no rest, your eyes no respite!

• Since Jesus said “the good seed” are the “sons of the kingdom” who are law-breakers in his kingdom, Mat 13:41,
• and “weeping and gnashing of teeth” represents God's discipline for his rebellious people who “weep tears” of repentance when they are handed over to their enemies who “gnash their teeth” in anger,
• is it possible the “sons of the kingdom” cast in outer darkness represent the lukewarm Laodicean saints that will be spewed out of Jesus mouth into the darkness of the tribulation to be disciplined, while the faithful and obedient saints will be raptured to the feast of Abraham in heaven?
• If this is what the “sons of the kingdom” represent, is there a Biblical story that's prophetic for the worldly saints who will be persecuted in the tribulation when the feast of Abraham takes place in heaven?

Abraham's feast with the Lord​

Shortly before God's judgment of the wicked in Sodom, the Lord and two men suddenly appeared before Abraham at the oaks of Mamre when Sarah prepared a meal for their 3 heavenly guests.

Now what's interesting about this story is Jesus said it will be as it was in the days of Sodom when God's judgment of unbelieving mankind will take place in the tribulation, Luke 17:28-30. And Jerusalem in the time of the tribulation is also called Sodom and Egypt, Revelation 11:8.

Therefore Abraham's feast with the Lord that was followed by God's judgment of the wicked in Sodom, appears to be prophetic for the heavenly feast of Abraham when God's judgment of rebellious mankind will take place in the tribulation. So with this in mind lets take a closer look at the details of Abraham's feast with the Lord while his nephew Lot was living in the wicked city of Sodom.

The Oaks of Mamre​

Its important to understand that prophetic stories at times will have symbolic details that are deeply hidden and often overlooked. For instance, the Lord appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, Genesis 18:1

Mamre was an Amorite who was an ally of Abraham. And the strong oaks of Mamre could be symbolic for the obedient saints who are called oaks of righteousness that will be raptured to the feast of Abraham, since they do not waver in times of trouble or adversity because of their strong faith in the Lord. God also compares his faithful saints to trees that produce spiritual fruit in their season, Psalms 1:1-3.

Another important point is when the Lord suddenly appeared before Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, he offered to wash the feet of his 3 guests as a humble servant, which is similar to the woman who humbly bowed down and washed the feet of Jesus with her tears.

• The oaks of Mamre that's a possible clue for the faithful saints who are called oaks of righteousness,
• and Abraham who was a humble servant of the Lord,
• are spiritual qualities of the mature saints who seek righteousness and humility that will be raptured to the feast of Abraham in heaven, and hidden from the day of the Lord's anger when the tribulation begins, Zeph 2:3, Rev 3:10.
• Zeph 2:3 Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, who do his just commands; seek righteousness; seek humility; perhaps you may be hidden on the day of the anger of the LORD.
• Rev 3:10 Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth, Rev 3:10

Three seahs of fine flour were made into cakes​

The three seahs of fine flour that Sarah quickly made into unleavened cakes represents Jesus who is the bread of life and the Word of God that is our great reward at the feast of Abraham in heaven, when we will fully know as we have been fully known, Genesis 15:1, 18:6, John 6:51, 1 Cor 13:12.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

The three seahs of fine flour that's symbolic for God's life-giving Word is revealed by Jesus when he said the kingdom of heaven is like a woman who hid leaven in three measures of meal till it was all leavened, which is a parable for false teachers who secretly bring destructive heresies and leavened teaching into the Word of God that deceive many within the church, Matthew 13:33, 16:6, 11-12.

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2 Pet 2:1-2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (2) And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth (in God's Word) will be blasphemed (leavened).

Gal 2:4-5 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in--who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery (by their leavened teaching)-- (5) to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved (and unleavened) for you.

At the time appointed Sarah shall give birth to a son​

At the feast of Abraham the Lord said he would return about this time next year at the appointed time when Sarah at the age of 90 would give birth to a son, Gen 17:17, 18:10-14.

God's promise for the birth of Isaac at the appointed time next year is also an end-time prophecy for Israel, when the promised sons like Isaac will be born-again at a future appointed time in the tribulation, while the raptured saints are at the feast of Abraham in heaven.

Eddie Chumney at hebroots.org said, in Genesis 18:14 the word appointed in Hebrew is Moed that means a set time. And Moed is the same word for the appointed feast days of Israel.

Therefore the Lord's promise for Isaac's birth next year at the appointed time from when they ate unleavened bread, prophetically implies the promised sons like Isaac will be born-again in the distant future at the appointed feast of Unleavened bread.

This hidden prophecy was fulfilled by the disciples when they were born-again during the 7 days of Unleavened bread that began after Passover when Jesus died on the cross for our sins, Galatians 4:28.

And this prophecy will be fulfilled again when the time of life begins for a remnant of Israel who will trust in Jesus at the end of the tribulation, Zec 13:8-9.

Gen 18:14 (KJV) Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

Another story that's related to the appointed time for Isaac's birth is when the prophet Elisha told a childless woman whose husband was old, that she would give birth to a son next year at the time of life the following spring, 2 Kings 4:8-17.

2 Kings 4:16-17 And he said, "About this season (next year), at the time of life you shall embrace a son." And she said, "No, my lord, O man of God; do not lie to your servant." (17) But the woman conceived, and she bore a son at the time of life the following spring, as Elisha had said to her

• I believe the 3 seahs of unleavened flour that Sarah made into cakes for her 3 heavenly guests at the feast of Abraham, that was followed by the Lord's promise of a son that would be born from Sarah at the appointed time of unleavened bread next year in the spring,
• and Elisha's prophecy for a childless woman who would give birth to a son at the time of life the following spring,
• are two related end-time prophecies that will be fulfilled during the heavenly feast of Abraham in the 3rd millennium from the cross, when a remnant of Israel will believe in Jesus who died for their sins on Passover in the spring, and rose three days later during the feast of unleavened bread, when the appointed time of life begins for the promised sons like Isaac who are born-again by faith in Christ at the end of the tribulation.
  
  
• Heb 11:11 By faith (in God) Sarah herself received power to conceive (Isaac), even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised.
• Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise (born-again through faith in Jesus).

Sodom and Gomorrah ​

It's important to understand that God's fiery judgment of the wicked in Sodom is prophetic for the Lord's wrath on unbelieving mankind in the tribulation, Luke 17:28-30.

After the feast of Abraham the Lord said, “because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave, I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry that has come to me. And if not, I will know." Gen 18:20-21.

When the Lord sent the two angelic men to observe the sinfulness of Sodom, Abraham asked, "Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?” Gen 18:22-23.

Abraham's question prophetically implies lukewarm Christians who are righteous by faith, could be left behind in the tribulation with the wicked when the rapture takes place for the obedient saints who are ready for the Lord's return, Rev 3:10,16.

And I believe the two heavenly men that were sent to investigate the wickedness of Sodom, represent the two witnesses who will proclaim God's Word in the tribulation when Jerusalem is called Sodom and Egypt, Rev 11:8.

The scriptures say Lot departed from Abraham and traveled east toward the lush Jordan valley that was like Egypt, and then he settled in Sodom, Gen 13:10-12.

Gen 13:10-13 And Lot lifted up his eyes and saw that the Jordan Valley was well watered everywhere like the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, in the direction of Zoar. (This was before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.) (11) So Lot chose for himself all the Jordan Valley, and Lot journeyed east. Thus they separated from each other. (12) Abram settled in the land of Canaan, while Lot settled among the cities of the valley and moved his tent as far as Sodom. (13) Now the men of Sodom were wicked, great sinners against the LORD.

Lot who chose to live in the wicked city of Sodom at the time of Abraham's feast with the Lord, is symbolic for the disobedient saints who are seeking after the sinful pleasures of this fallen world that will be left behind and trapped in the wickedness of the tribulation, when the feast of Abraham takes place in heaven, 1 Cor 5:5, 2 Cor 12:21.

Luke 21:34 "But watch yourselves (saints) lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and the (sinful) cares of this life, and that day (of the tribulation) come upon you suddenly like a trap

Lot makes unleavened bread for his two angelic guests​

When the two angelic men arrived in Sodom they met Lot who said, "My lords, please turn aside to your servant's house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way." They said, "No; we will spend the night in the town square." But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate, Gen 19:1-3

Lot spiritually recognized the two heavenly visitors who came to Sodom since he called them lords. And the unleavened bread he prepared for his new guests reveals Lot believed in the God of Abraham and therefore is righteous.

2 Peter 2:7-8 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (8) (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard);

When all the men of Sodom surrounded Lot's house and wanted to sexually know the two men inside, Lot tried to protect his guests when he said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.” But the men replied "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them," Gen 19:4-9.

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The wicked men of Sodom who threatened Lot and called him an alien and a judge, represents the unbelievers in the tribulation who will persecute Christians since they are aliens and strangers in this sinful world that will be judged by the saints, 1 Peter 2:11, 1 Cor 6:2, Mat 24:9.

1 Peter 2:11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers (in this world) to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.

The sons of the kingdom are cast into outer darkness​

Lot who believed in the God of Abraham and yet chose to live in the spiritual darkness of Sodom where he was persecuted, is symbolic for the born-again "sons of the kingdom" who are law-breakers that will be cast into the outer darkness of the tribulation to be disciplined, when the disobedient saints will “weep” tears of repentance as the wicked plot against the righteous and “gnash their teeth” in hatred for the lukewarm church, Zep 1:14-15, Mat 13:37-43, 24:9, Luke 13:28, Revelation 3:16.

Psalms 37:12-13 The wicked plots against the righteous and gnashes his teeth at him, (13) but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day (of wrath) is coming.

When the two angels urged Lot and his family to flee from Sodom lest he be swept away in the punishment of the city, he lingered and did not want to leave. So they seized Lot and his wife and his two daughters by the hand, the LORD being merciful to him, and brought him out and set him outside the city, Gen 19:15-16.

Lot who is righteous and was told to flee from the wicked city of Sodom but hesitated to leave, is symbolic for the lukewarm saints who are holding on to the sinful desires of this world that will be left behind in the tribulation, Mat 24:48-51.

And the two angelic men who seized Lot and his family by the hand and led them out of Sodom before it was destroyed, speaks of the Lords mercy for his disobedient saints in the tribulation that will be raptured to heaven just before God's wrath is poured out on unbelieving mankind, Rev 6:16-17, 7:13-17.

Luke 17:29-30 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all-- (30) so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

1 Thes 5:9 For God has not destined us for wrath (for the unbelievers), but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

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[Deep Truth]

The scriptures point out the saints will experience persecution, tribulation, and be put to death for their faith in Christ, Mat 24:9. And God's wrath for the unbelievers will begin after the full number of tribulation saints have been martyred, Rev 6:9-17.

Now if the complete church is raptured before the tribulation begins as many Christians believe, then why do the scriptures say the saints have come out of great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb? Rev 7:13-14.

Christians can soil their white robes of Christ's righteousness if they turn away from following God's will for their lives and choose to live in the wickedness of sin.

Pro 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain (or a sin soiled robe of salvation, Isaiah 61:10, Lamentations 4:7-8) is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

And if the worldly saints do not wash their soiled robes by repenting before the day of the Lord begins (1 John 1:9), they will be handed over to Satan for the destruction of the sinful flesh so they will return to God in the beginning years of the tribulation, Heb 12:5-7.

1 Cor 5:5 you are to deliver this (immoral Christian) man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

The majority of the saints in Sardis have soiled
their white garments with sin and need to repent​

Rev 3:1-4 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: 'The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. "'I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. (2) Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. (3) Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you (when you are cast into the tribulation to be disciplined). (4) Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white (at the feast of Abraham in heaven), for they are worthy.

Only a few in Sardis have not soiled their garments
and they will walk with Jesus in white for they are worthy​

The few in Sardis who are clothed in white represent the obedient saints who take up their cross and follow Jesus in righteous deeds of faith and love, that has made them ready and worthy to walk with Christ as his sanctified bride at the feast of Abraham, Mat 10:38.

Rev 19:7-8 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; (8) it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"-- for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

Born-again children of God are justified,
while Christ's mature bride is sanctified​

Even though salvation is a gift for every born-again child of God who is justified by faith in Jesus, this does not mean that you have now become a faithful and sanctified bride of Christ.

The majority of the saints in Sardis whose deeds were not complete are the disobedient justified children of God since they failed to invest their talents, and they are prophetic for the lukewarm saints that will be left behind in the tribulation (Mat 25:24-30), when Jesus returns like a thief for his sanctified bride that suffers as she takes up her cross and is worthy to be clothed in white.

Rom 8:16-17 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (17) and if children, then heirs--heirs of God (justified by faith) and fellow heirs with Christ, if we suffer with him (by taking up our cross as a faithful bride) in order that we may also be glorified with him (at the feast of Abraham).

Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me (as my sanctified bride at the wedding banquet).

Christ's sanctified bride​

Acts 5:40-41 and when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. (41) Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.

2 Tim 2:12a (KJV) if we suffer, we will also reign with him;

2 Tim 3:12 Indeed, all who (are faithful and) desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution,

Mat 5:11-12a "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. (12) Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven,

God's justified children​

The following scriptures reveal the immature justified children of God are lacking in righteous deeds, they do not understand the meat of God's Word (solid food), and are easily led astray from a sincere devotion to Christ.

1 John 3:17-18 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? (18) Little (immature) children, let us not love in word or talk but in (righteous) deeds and in truth.

1 Cor 3:1-2 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the (sinful) flesh, as infants in Christ. (2) I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,

2 Cor 11:2-3 For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. (3) But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

1 Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.

The Thessalonians increasing faith and love for one another
has made them worthy of the kingdom of God​

2 Thess 1:3-5 We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing. (4) Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring. (5) This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering--

The Thessalonians who were increasing in faith and love represent Christ's sanctified bride, and they are not in darkness for the Day of the Lord to surprise them like a thief when Jesus returns to rapture his saints who are worthy, 1 Thes 5:1-6.

Pro 3:3-4 Let not steadfast love and faithfulness forsake you; bind them around your neck; write them on the tablet of your heart. (4) So you will find favor and good success in the sight of God and man.

Pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things​

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always (saints), that ye may be accounted worthy (by walking in righteous deeds of faith and love) to escape all these things that shall come to pass (in the tribulation), and to stand before the Son of man (at the feast of Abraham in heaven).

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

The following scriptures speak of the disobedient children of God who will be left behind in the tribulation (represented by Lot in wicked Sodom). And they will be gathered to heaven just before God's wrath begins when the stars will fall from heaven, which is symbolic for Satan and the demons who are cast down to earth, Rev 12:3-4, 9, 12.

The tribulation saints are gathered by the Lord when the moon turns to blood​

Mat 24:29-31 "Immediately after the tribulation of (the saints in) those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light (and turns to blood), and the stars will fall from heaven (Satan and the demons are cast down to earth), and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (30) Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Compare scripture with scripture, Mat 24:29-31 is repeated in Rev 6:11-17, 7:13-16.

The full number of tribulation saints are killed​

Rev 6:9-11 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. (10) They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" (11) Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed (in the tribulation) as they themselves had been.

The full moon turns to blood and Satan is cast down to earth​

Rev 6:12-13, 15-17 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood (the full number saints are killed), (13) and the stars of the sky (Satan and the demons) fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale..........

The wrath of the Lamb begins for unbelieving mankind​

(15) Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, (16) calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, (17) for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

The tribulation saints have washed their
soiled robes in the blood of the Lamb and appear in heaven​

Rev 7:13-14, 16-17 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?" (14) I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their (sin stained, Pro 25:26, Rev 3:3-4) robes (by repenting, 1 Jn 1:6-9, Pro 28:13) and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.......(16) They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat (Isa 48:10-11). (17) For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their (weeping) eyes."

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Psalms 30:5 For his anger is but for a moment (for the disobedient children of God), and his favor is for a lifetime (eternity). Weeping may tarry for the night (of God's discipline in the tribulation), but joy comes with the morning (of the Lord's forgiveness and salvation for his saints).

Remember Lot's wife​

Lots' wife and his two daughters are prophetic for those in the tribulation who have yet to decide whether to trust in Jesus or turn away from him, Joel 3:14. And Lot's wife who turned back towards Sodom represents the unbelievers in the tribulation who will turn away from Jesus and perish in God's wrath, Luke 17:32-33, Rev 6:16-17.

Eccl 1:9 What has been (in the past in scripture) is what will be (in the future), and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.

Are you a faithful servant for the Lord,
or are you living in the wickedness of Sodom?​

Mat 24:45-51 "Who then is the faithful and wise (Christian) servant, whom his master (Jesus) has set over his household (of saints), to give them their (spiritual) food at the proper time? (46) Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes (to rapture his obedient saints to the feast of Abraham). (47) Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. (48) But if that wicked (Christian) servant says to himself, 'My master (Jesus) is delayed,' (49) and begins to beat his fellow (Christian) servants and eats and drinks with drunkards (as Lot did in wicked Sodom), (50) the master of that (sinful Christian) servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know (51) and will cut him in pieces (with the Sword of God's Word) and put him with the hypocrites (in the darkness of the tribulation). In that place there will be weeping (and repentance by the lukewarm saints) and gnashing of teeth (as the wicked persecute the disobedient church).

Mark 4:13 And he said to them, "Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

Proverbs 4:14-22 Do not enter the path of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of the evil. (15) Avoid it; do not go on it; turn away from it and pass on. (16) For they cannot sleep unless they have done wrong; they are robbed of sleep unless they have made someone stumble. (17) For they eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence. (18) But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day. (19) The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble. (20) My son, be attentive to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. (21) Let them not escape from your sight; keep them within your heart. (22) For they are life to those who find them, and healing to all their flesh.

In the following articles I examine the scriptures that seem to be pointing to the approximate time-frame for the tribulation.
Is the year when the tribulation ends written in scripture?
Part 2, 2 days, 7th hour, 38
Part 3, 2-38
Part 4, Gen 14:14, 17:17, Ex 7:7, John 5:5
Part 5, Psalms 83 & 90

The Ominous Sign of Four Blood Moons in 2032 and 2033

Israel's Second Passover will be fulfilled in the last year of the Tribulation

The Tabernacle reveals the age of the Law, the age of Grace and the Millennium

Why did the blind man see men like trees walking when Jesus touched him?

In these articles I discuss the mystery of the rapture of the saints.
Will you be raptured in the first, second or third watch of the night?
Why will the first be last, and the last first?
Why are many called to the wedding banquet but few are chosen?
Who are the sons of the kingdom cast into outer darkness?

 

[Blade]

Abraham's feast. Please no offense I really don't know is this feast of saint Abraham Oct 29 your talking about? Then "Tamarisk Tree of Abraham". Sorry I tried to follow but.. hmm I can't insert words nor tell others "This is what it really means, What Christ was really saying". Not my job.. thats Him.. Its His word by the sweet holy Spirit. Take Matt-John you say (Christians) that is not whats written. When Christ walked this earth they were all under the law. There were no Christians. When they asked Christ about the end He told them, them being Jews what they would see.

I know what I believe about "Caught up" yet part of what I believe I can not find scripture for. So I say "this is what I believe and why". We know Noah could not be taken caught up or we would not be here. We know if there were just 10 righteous in those cities God would not have destroyed them. Yet there was Lot God said? " as long as you are here I can do nothing". Lot had to be gone. We know whats coming (wrath) is not on some cities but all that are in this world. I can not find where its written all the Church will be caught up. With God its ALWAYS faith without it we can never please Him. Christ went back to make us a place so "where" He is we will be. He said it.. I am going to make you a place in my Fathers house so where I am you will be. The Paul who we know and had a revelation from God like no other said "we which remian". Not them not those but as he wrote to the ones that were told "sorry Christ came you missed it" you didn't miss Christ will come in the air voice shout trump dead will rise then we which remain.. yeah WE..whos we? Will be caught up together thats the dead and us to meet Christ in the air with Him forever.

So knowing our Father will never go against our will. Will He take you if you are not watching not ready do not believe? No one can answer that. For me its like the old Jewish wedding where a price is paid for the bride. He goes back to his fathers house to make the a home. She stays behind not knowing when he will come for her so those candles are always lit. About a year later mostly at night he comes back with some friends and as he gets close makes a loud noise and then takes her back to his fathers house for about a week. Thats a old Jewish wedding. Something they fully understood. Its NOT written.. just.. odd huh.

So the tree, Abraham feast.. I could have just stopped there. I after 50 some years never heard of this. I see it as with Christ..its the Church its with Him...anyway. Thanks.

 

[pdudgeon]

Abraham's feast. Please no offense I really don't know is this feast of saint Abraham Oct 29 your talking about? Then "Tamarisk Tree of Abraham". Sorry I tried to follow but.. hmm I can't insert words nor tell others "This is what it really means, What Christ was really saying". Not my job.. thats Him.. Its His word by the sweet holy Spirit. Take Matt-John you say (Christians) that is not whats written. When Christ walked this earth they were all under the law. There were no Christians. When they asked Christ about the end He told them, them being Jews what they would see.

I know what I believe about "Caught up" yet part of what I believe I can not find scripture for. So I say "this is what I believe and why". We know Noah could not be taken caught up or we would not be here. We know if there were just 10 righteous in those cities God would not have destroyed them. Yet there was Lot God said? " as long as you are here I can do nothing". Lot had to be gone. We know whats coming (wrath) is not on some cities but all that are in this world. I can not find where its written all the Church will be caught up. With God its ALWAYS faith without it we can never please Him. Christ went back to make us a place so "where" He is we will be. He said it.. I am going to make you a place in my Fathers house so where I am you will be. The Paul who we know and had a revelation from God like no other said "we which remian". Not them not those but as he wrote to the ones that were told "sorry Christ came you missed it" you didn't miss Christ will come in the air voice shout trump dead will rise then we which remain.. yeah WE..whos we? Will be caught up together thats the dead and us to meet Christ in the air with Him forever.

So knowing our Father will never go against our will. Will He take you if you are not watching not ready do not believe? No one can answer that. For me its like the old Jewish wedding where a price is paid for the bride. He goes back to his fathers house to make the a home. She stays behind not knowing when he will come for her so those candles are always lit. About a year later mostly at night he comes back with some friends and as he gets close makes a loud noise and then takes her back to his fathers house for about a week. Thats a old Jewish wedding. Something they fully understood. Its NOT written.. just.. odd huh.

So the tree, Abraham feast.. I could have just stopped there. I after 50 some years never heard of this. I see it as with Christ..its the Church its with Him...anyway. Thanks.

But the blessing is that you have heard in time!
So go back and study what you haven't heard, that you might be ready.
I was always told that as the Time came closer, it would be easier to see and know what God intended, but when it was far away, only those to whom it was given to know the Times, (that they might teach others,)
would recognise those Times from afar off, and know them for what they were.

 

[eclipsenow]

There are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, and another 500 prophecies will be fulfilled in the last days when the Lord returns to save a faithful remnant of Israel at the end of the tribulation.

Hi,
what's your church denomination or background? Basically I'm Sydney Anglican, which tend to be Amillennial. I couldn't get past this first paragraph. Yes, I agree the OT points towards Jesus. But there are only a very few actual predictions in the OT about the Last Days. Basically, the prophecy about the Last Days is usually theological, not political - outlining the relationship between God and his people and God and his enemies - but not going into specific details.

MOST of the OT prophecies are actually fulfilled in Jesus death and resurrection - the gospel events. Then Acts 2 and Hebrews 1 make it clear the Last Days started 2000 years ago. And the Lord could return tonight or in another 50,000 years - we just don't know.

So what are all those OT prophecies going on about?

In the OT the "Day of Lord" is mostly predicting local, historical judgements and rarely discusses a distant, unrelated future 2500 years later! Paul Williamson teaches Old Testament at Moore Theological College, training up future Anglican Ministers.

While the Old Testament portrays God as the righteous judge of all the earth (cf. Gen 18:25; 1Sam 2:10; 1Chr 16:33) who holds both individuals and nations accountable for their actions (e.g., Deut 32:41; Psa 110:6; Job 19:29; Eccl 3:17; 11:9; Ezek 33:20; Jer 25:31; Joel 3:2), such divine judgment — often referred to as “the day of the LORD” or simply “that day” — is usually confined to the historical realm (i.e., military overthrow, physical curse and/or death); seldom, if ever, does it refer to a final, eschatological or eternal judgment. Some texts may arguably allude to such (e.g., Psa 1:5; Eccl 3:17; 11:9; 12:14), but the closest we get to a final assize in the Old Testament is the scene in Daniel 7, where the Ancient of Days presides over a heavenly court at which books are opened, the terrifying fourth beast is destroyed in blazing fire, and the eternal kingdom is given to God’s holy people. Arguably the same scenario is portrayed somewhat differently in Daniel 12, where those sleeping in the dust of the earth awake — some to glory and everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. In any case, there is little doubt that both these texts inform the New Testament’s portrayal of the ultimate Day of the Lord and the final judgment.
The Final Judgment - The Gospel Coalition
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That is, there is a final Judgement Day - but we find out about it from the New Testament - not the Old.

Take care.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The main scripture from the above study that stands out is Galatians 5:15 "If you bite and devour one another, take heed that you are not consumed of one another"

The darkness element of it relates to how Jesus would refer to the religious teacher people as blind guides. The biting and gnashing of teeth also may relate to the hebrew rendering that also referred to demanding interest on loans. An emotional application of demanding interest may refer to bitterness or ongoing unforgiveness, the attitude that no punishment is enough for example.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth is actually a state of mind cultivated while alive. Some people just like to gnash their teeth, avoiding such churches is a modern survival strategy.

 

[eclipsenow]

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The main scripture from the above study that stands out is Galatians 5:15 "If you bite and devour one another, take heed that you are not consumed of one another"

The darkness element of it relates to how Jesus would refer to the religious teacher people as blind guides. The biting and gnashing of teeth also may relate to the hebrew rendering that also referred to demanding interest on loans. An emotional application of demanding interest may refer to bitterness or ongoing unforgiveness, the attitude that no punishment is enough for example.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth is actually a state of mind cultivated while alive. Some people just like to gnash their teeth, avoiding such churches is a modern survival strategy.

I'm not sure how this relates to anything anyone here is discussing at this point in the conversation, but .... OK?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

That is, there is a final Judgement Day - but we find out about it from the New Testament - not the Old.

I suggest then that you study the sanctuary of the old testament as it lays out the the plan of salvation and the final judgement.

The earthly sanctuary was a copy of the Heavenly sanctuary.

Psalm 77:13-14 King James Version
13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

Hebrews 4:14 King James Version
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Exodus 25:8-10 King James Version
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

The broken law contained in the Ark was the only reason for all the sacrificial services, both typical and antitypical. When the Lord gave directions for making the sanctuary, His first instruction was, "They shall make an Ark of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim (acacia) wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof" (Exodus 25:10). It was overlaid within and without with pure gold, with a crown of gold around the top.

The cover of the Ark was called the mercy seat, and was of pure gold. On either end of the mercy seat were cherubim of beaten gold, with their wings stretched forth covering the Ark, and their faces looking reverently toward the law of God contained therein.
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There can be no government without law. The very suggestion of a kingdom is always connected with law. There could be no judgment without a law as a standard of judgment. God declares that "as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law" (Romans 2:12). All God's commandments are righteousness (Psalm 119:172). The establishment, or foundation, of His throne is righteousness and judgment.

"There was nothing in the Ark save the two tables of stone" (1 Kings 8:9), according to the divine record. The pot of manna was laid up "before the Lord" (Exodus 16:33), and Aaron's rod that budded was laid up "before the testimony" (Numbers 17:10).

The Ark of the Covenant

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a Minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." Hebrews 8:1, 2.

Here is revealed the sanctuary of the new covenant. The sanctuary of the first covenant was pitched by man, built by Moses; this is pitched by the Lord, not by man. In that sanctuary the earthly priests performed their service; in this, Christ, our great High Priest, ministers at God's right hand. One sanctuary was on earth, the other is in heaven.

What is the Sanctuary?

 

[eclipsenow]

Sanctuary is just one type.
Sacrifice is another.
Land is another.
Priest is another.
King is another.
Child is another.
Law is another.
Temple is another.
Trees of life are another.
Blood is another.
Vineyards are another.
Wine and wineskins are another.
Bread - manna - and bread of life is another.
Rest is another.
City is another.
Light is another.

On and on it goes - types and shadows in the OT being opened up and expanded on in the NT.
Why limit yourself to just one? Read Romans, Galatians and especially Hebrews a few times each and you'll see how many OT shadows and types meet their NT realities and antitypes.