Will we see the Trinity in heaven

[confusedmanxx]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

 

[Greg J.]

Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. (Colossians 3:1, 1984 NIV)

You can also see visions of heaven described in the Book of Revelation. e.g., Chapter 5.

 

[confusedmanxx]

Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. (Colossians 3:1, 1984 NIV)

You can also see visions of heaven described in the Book of Revelation. e.g., Chapter 5.

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand
unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

 

[Rescued One]

We will see and understand more than we do now!

Matthew 5
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.

7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”

1 John 3
1 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we [Christians] should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

 

[confusedmanxx]

We will see and understand more than we do now!

Matthew 5
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.

7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”

1 John 3
1 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we [Christians] should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

That doesn't tell any thing about trinity in heaven.
And if we suppose we will see Jesus in heaven due to jesus having 2 natures , then he will pray to father [due to being limited Human].

Also Your friend made me even more confused by that verse,
the verse says Jesus would be sitting at right hand of God. if He is God how is he sitting in his own right hand?

 

[Rescued One]

If Jesus is God then he can't sit in his own right hand unless there are two Gods, this verse is very unclear or the trinity is unclear.

We haven't seen God; we can't describe Him. He isn't created. We are created beings. We can't expect the Trinity to be clear to our finite minds. There is only One God, not three.

When Jesus went back to His Father, He sent the Holy Spirit to be with us.

Hebrews 1 : 1, 2, 8 — God the Father calls the Son, "God."
Acts 5 : 3-4 --Peter calls the Holy Spirit, "God."
John 6 : 27 --Jesus calls the Father, "God."

 

[confusedmanxx]

We haven't seen God; we can't describe Him. He isn't created. We are created beings. We can't expect the Trinity to be clear to our finite minds. There is only One God, not three.

When Jesus went back to His Father, He sent the Holy Spirit to be with us.

Hebrews 1 : 1, 2, 8 — God the Father calls the Son, "God."
Acts 5 : 3-4 --Peter calls the Holy Spirit, "God."
John 6 : 27 --Jesus calls the Father, "God."

Acts 5:3-4 says you lied to humans and God but it doesn't say that the holy spirit as God. to say this it requires mental gymnastics.
How can the Holy spirit be God if The Holy Spirit doesn't know about the day or the hour, as far as I know ONLY The Father Knows.

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

Further more Jesus said who ever does blasphemy against him its OK but its not ok to do blasemphy to the Holy Spirit

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

 

[TuxAme]

Depends on what you mean by "see".

 

[Rescued One]

I don't know know how, but a person given a position of a ruler's right hand, is being honored by the ruler.

From wikipedia:

The right hand of God (Dextera Domini "right hand of the Lord" in Latin) or God's right hand may refer to the Bible and common speech as a metaphor for the omnipotence of God and as a motif in art.

In the Bible, to be at the right side "is to be identified as being in the special place of honor".[1]In Jesus' The Sheep and the Goats, the sheep and goats are separated with the sheep on the right hand of God and the goats on the left hand.

It is also a placement next to God in Heaven, in the traditional place of honor, mentioned in the New Testament as the place of Christ at Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69,
Matthew 22:44 and 26:64, Acts 2:34 and 7:55, 1 Peter 3:22 and elsewhere. These uses reflect use of the phrase in the Old Testament, for example in Psalms 63:8 and 110:1.[2] The implications of this anthropomorphicphrasing have been discussed at length by theologians, including Saint Thomas Aquinas.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_hand_of_God

 

[confusedmanxx]

I don't know know how, but a person given a position of a ruler's right hand, is being honored by the ruler.

From wikipedia:

The right hand of God (Dextera Domini "right hand of the Lord" in Latin) or God's right hand may refer to the Bible and common speech as a metaphor for the omnipotence of God and as a motif in art.

In the Bible, to be at the right side "is to be identified as being in the special place of honor".[1]In Jesus' The Sheep and the Goats, the sheep and goats are separated with the sheep on the right hand of God and the goats on the left hand.

It is also a placement next to God in Heaven, in the traditional place of honor, mentioned in the New Testament as the place of Christ at Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69,
Matthew 22:44 and 26:64, Acts 2:34 and 7:55, 1 Peter 3:22 and elsewhere. These uses reflect use of the phrase in the Old Testament, for example in Psalms 63:8 and 110:1.[2] The implications of this anthropomorphicphrasing have been discussed at length by theologians, including Saint Thomas Aquinas.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_hand_of_God

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

How come the Holy spirit has NO Idea when judgement day is. Thats pretty awkard I thought God knows every thing , its confusing verse if we assume the holy spirit is God :/

 

[Rescued One]

Acts 5:3-4 says you lied to humans and God but it doesn't say that the holy spirit as God. to say this it requires mental gymnastics.
How can the Holy spirit be God if The Holy Spirit doesn't know about the day or the hour, as far as I know ONLY The Father Knows.

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

Further more Jesus said who ever does blasphemy against him its OK but its not ok to do blasemphy to the Holy Spirit

Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Jesus said,
15“If you love me, keep my commands."

23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."

Ask a Chaplain:
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I have to leave now. 'Twas nice talking to you.

 

[confusedmanxx]

Jesus said,
15“If you love me, keep my commands."

23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."

Ask a Chaplain:
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I have to leave now. 'Twas nice talking to you.

That doesn't answer any thing. Either the bible is unclear or you are unclear.
Why doesn't the Holy Spirit Know when judgement day is?
We both Agree that God knows Every thing. But According to the bible the Holy spirit doesn't know when Judgement day is.

 

[Ken Rank]

Will we see the Trinity in heaven or only jesus?

Both Daniel and John looked into heaven and saw one sitting on one throne. I will refrain from sharing my interpretation because of forum rules, but that is what it says.

 

[RDKirk]

According to Colossians, Jesus is the image of the invisible God in this created world.

If we are talking about physically seeing God--that is, the retinas of our eyes capturing rays of light reflected from God--then that would be Jesus, and it will always be Jesus.

God is manifest in the physical world to be discerned by physical senses only as Jesus.

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. -- John 14:9

 

[confusedmanxx]

Both Daniel and John looked into heaven and saw one sitting on one throne. I will refrain from sharing my interpretation because of forum rules, but that is what it says.

That contradicts colassians 3:!
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Lets pretend this verse doesn't exist. Does that mean God will stop being trinity?

 

[Ken Rank]

That contradicts colassians 3:!
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Lets pretend this verse doesn't exist. Does that mean God will stop being trinity?

Sorry... I can't answer these questions on this forum.

 

[confusedmanxx]

Sorry... I can't answer these questions on this forum.

Okay about the Holy Spirit not knowing when judgement day is. Is there any christian apologist answer to this?

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

 

[RDKirk]

Okay about the Holy Spirit not knowing when judgement day is. Is there any christian apologist answer to this?

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

Why does there need to be an answer to that? Scripture already tends to indicate that the Holy Spirit is "multi-present" but not omnipresent, so why should we presume that the Holy Spirit is omniscient?

In fact, scripture also says that the Holy Spirit only speaks what He hears the Father say, so between those two verses we can state a probability that the Holy Spirit is not omniscient.

And there's not a problem with that.

 

[confusedmanxx]

Why does there need to be an answer to that? Scripture already tends to indicate that the Holy Spirit is "multi-present" but not omnipresent, so why should we presume that the Holy Spirit is omniscient?

Because God is omniscient

1 john 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

So I think this verse
plus this verse


Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

equals holy spirit being not God since he doesn't know all things

 

[RDKirk]

Because God is omniscient

1 john 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

So I think this verse
plus this verse


Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour not even the angels of heaven but My Father only.

equals holy spirit being not God since he doesn't know all things

The Father is omniscient.

This distinction is one of the reasons why the early Christians realize that the Godhead is of three persons--because there is given distinctions between them in scripture.