Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[Leaf473]

Another interesting passage about commandments

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 36:13 - New American Standard Bible

These are the commandments and the ordinances which the LORD commanded to the sons of Israel through Moses in the plains of Moab, by the Jordan opposite Jericho.

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[Leaf473]

Another interesting thing from the Tree of Life Version

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 10:4 - Tree of Life Version

Like the first inscription, ADONAI wrote on the tablets the Ten Words He had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly, then gave them to me.

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Peace be with you all, through Jesus Christ

 

[BNR32FAN]

Believing scripture as it reads verbatim Is not cherry picking.

Presenting only part of the scriptures that supports your position while withholding the part that contradicts your position is cherry picking. You quoted Exodus 34:28 to indicate that the 10 commandments are the words of the covenant which is why you highlighted that portion in bold letters.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

As I pointed out the Passover, the lighting of the lamp, the 12 cakes on the sabbath and several more commandments of God are also included in that covenant.

The Passover was not a commandment it is an ordinance written in the book after the fall of man. Not everything is a commandment Neh 9:13 God only numbered one set of laws by design and sadly all man does it try to tear them down, which I believe there will be a lot of regrets one day soon.

The Passover was a commandment.

“They observed the Passover in the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, in the wilderness of Sinai; according to all that the Lord had commanded Moses, so the sons of Israel did.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭9‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Ordinances are commandments. The idea that anything that God commands is not a commandment is absolutely absurd. That’s why we see the Passover and the New Moon feasts called ordinances in some passages and in others they’re called commandments. Read Numbers 28:1 again. You should already know this because I’ve already proved it by quoting verses that specifically state that God COMMANDED the Israelites to do them. When God commands someone to do something it’s a commandment. To say otherwise is just refusing to accept the obvious. You’re ridiculous notion that God’s commandments, statutes, ordinances, and laws are not all commandments doesn’t stand to reason. So according to Exodus 16:28 God’s commandments are not laws (Torah)?

“And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16‬:‭28‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Your argument that when God commands something it isn’t a commandment is unfathomable.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ordinances are commandments. .

Yet scripture separates them

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

Just like God seperated the Ten Commandments Exo 34:28 from the law of Moses. Deut 31:24-26

The Passover is an ordinance Exo 12:43 Num 9:12 that God commanded, but was not in the Ten Commandments but an ordinance that was handwritten by Moses, in the law of Moses.

Since we are going in circles and I don’t think either of us is going to change our views anytime soon, I’ll leave it as agree to disagree and all gets sorted out soon enough. I wish you well.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Sabbath was still a commandment in the NT and one they were already keeping

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Kept by God's people Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and God said in the commandment the Sabbath is the seventh day Exo 20:10.

The apostles observe every Sabbath because Jesus told them to observe everything He commanded

Who was “they” in Luke 23:56? Joseph and the women who prepared Jesus’ body for burial? So your argument is that because a Jewish man and some Jewish women observed the Sabbath the day Jesus died that is evidence that we must also observe it?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who was “they” in Luke 23:56? Joseph and the women who prepared Jesus’ body for burial? So your argument is that because a Jewish man and some Jewish women observed the Sabbath the day Jesus died that is evidence that we must also observe it?

Mary is “some Jewish women”. Got it. No point in continuing, we view scripture much different.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The apostles observed every Sabbath Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus did Luke 4:16 because we are made in the image of God to be His followers, not to do our own thing. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for human beings Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:6

Again with this same old weak argument that the apostles observed the sabbath because Jesus did. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT. you just made that up from your own imagination. I’ll say this again just as I’ve said it countless times to you IF WE ARE TO KEEP EVERY LAW THAT JESUS KEPT THEN WE’D STILL BE KEEPING THE ENTIRE MOSAIC LAW. Jesus was circumcised, Jesus observed the New Moon feasts, Jesus observed the Passover. If were to follow His example then we would have to keep the entire mosaic law. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I POINT THIS OUT YOU STILL KEEP ON USING THIS RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT.

Are we under the entire mosaic law like Jesus kept or not?

The apostles observe every Sabbath because Jesus told them to observe everything He commanded

And your argument that the apostles kept the sabbath because He commanded them to is pure fiction. NOWHERE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT. You’re just adding whatever you want to the scriptures to try to trick people into falling into the same heresy that you did. NOWHERE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS COMMANDED ANYONE TO KEEP THE SABBATH OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. You’re literally just pulling this out of thin air! If Jesus had ever made such a commandment you would’ve quoted it by now not to mention that the entire church would’ve been observing the sabbath without question since the day it was established by the apostles. If Jesus had ever made such a commandment it would be a solid doctrine that all of Christianity would adhere to!

Acts 15:21 doesn’t say that the apostles kept the sabbath. This was James’ reasoning of why the Gentiles should abstain from idols, fornication, meat that was strangled, and blood because it’s what was taught from Moses in the synagogue on every sabbath.

“but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Acts 18:4 doesn’t say the apostles kept the sabbath.

“And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭18‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

They were evangelizing to Jews and Gentiles. When are ALL JEWS going to be at the synagogue ? Oh probably ON THE SABBATH.

Luke 4:16 was during Christ’s ministry when the mosaic law was still in full effect and of course Jesus observed the sabbath BECAUSE HE KEPT THE ENTIRE MOSAIC LAW.

“And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So the verses you quoted here amount to absolutely nothing. Nothing you said is supported by any of these verses. You just pulled it out of thin air from your imagination again.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Mary is “some Jewish women”. Got it. No point in continuing, we view scripture much different.

Where do you see Mary mentioned there and why would she or any other Jew have any knowledge that the mosaic law was going to be done away with at that time?

Edit: Ok Mark 16:1

“When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

But the question still remains how would these women have any way of knowing that the mosaic law was going to be done away with at this time? It still hadn’t been revealed yet.

 

[DamianWarS]

Yes, the symbolism of the number 7 can be most probably traced through Babylonia to Sumer. However, not even Babylonians considered the 7th day rest to be a command from God, because He created everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th, like it was in the Mosaic Law.

the meaning behind the 7th day in the bible is not well defined except for that its the number of days in creation (which in itself is not explained) you can infer it is based on a lunar month but I don't think this is ever explicitly mentioned but even then why divided a lunar month this way? However, with the Babylonians, it has more depth as the number 7 was the number of visible planets and the sun and moon as well as 28 days (lunar month) divided into 4 parts (with the last week adding on the remaining days) and this is why they regarded it as important, albeit for different reasons than the Hebrews. 7 is already venerated and it happened to be a quarter of a lunar month (kind of) so this is why 7 was the number chosen.

If we want to approach this critically we must ask the question who influenced who or did both cultures come to this number 7 independent from each other? They are competing cultures so it's no surprise that if one influenced the other their versions would also be in competition and have different values asslimated into the existing cultural/religious practices. Both are actually thought to be developed at about the same time, the Babylonians had a dominant cultural influence during this time and the Hebrews a relatively small one but I'm sure the Babylonians may absorb cultural values as they see fit and call it their own. This date is around the Babylonian captivity period which is about 600 BC.

I would say because the Babylonians have a greater history with the number 7 to explain why they would value the number it shows greater evidence as to why it would have originated from them over the Hebrews. Sure the Hebrews have the creation account and this is why they value the 7-day week and the 7th day as special but you need to ask why 7? The Babylonians can tell you, it's because it's the visible planets (plus Sun & Moon) so this is a foundational reason why they choose 7. With the Hebrews it stops at creation and doesn't get unpacked further. The logic would point to a deeper origin to the number, that may be because of some undisclosed value of 7 or that they adopted the system from the Babylonians and just got rid of the pagan parts (which is calling the days the names of gods as it relates to it's celestial body)