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No.
And I do not expect Davian or you to accept anything I say.
Then why bother making the claim in the first place?
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No.
And I do not expect Davian or you to accept anything I say.
Then why bother making the claim in the first place?
Because there are more people in these forums than you and Davian.
And why would you expect them to be convinced by it when you admit that you would not be convinced if someone of another religion made a similar claim?
for the same reason I would expect them to be convinced if I told them the earth was round while a flat-earther was telling them the earth was flat.
the shape of the earth is a matter of fact, not of fancy or opinion.
Likewise, God raising Jesus bodily from the dead for the remission of sin is a matter of fact, not fancy or opinion. It either happened or it did not. If it did, then all other religions that deny it are false.
I agree. It is very clear and simple that God created everything. How else would stuff just appear? You also cannot say you agree with the conservation of mass but at the same time believe that the universe has just been here all along. How can there even be matter if nothing can be created? Everything, life, trees, planets, etc had to come from God.
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It is very clear and simple that God created everything.
You also cannot say you agree with the conservation of mass but at the same time believe that the universe has just been here all along. How can there even be matter if nothing can be created?
The analogy blows up in your face in that (most) judicial systems are evidence based, for both your hypothetical conviction and later acquittal. Evidence of the type that rises above "personal experience".You are wrong.
Why?
I could make a claim, i.e. that I am not guilty of a crime of which I have been accused and not be able to demonstrate to anyone that my claim is true and the claim could still be true. The truthfulness of my claim is determined by whether or not it corresponds with the actual state of affairs which it claims to, not whether or not I can prove it or demonstrate it. Surely you have heard of people maintaining their innocence while being accused of and even convicted of a crime only later to be vindicated and acquitted due to some turn of events which demonstrate that their claim was true all along?
Only if you are giving out laughs.I said all of that to be charitable to you.
The power of circular reasoning. A story you get from scripture is not validated by scripture. That you are convinced of its veracity is no indicator of it actually having happened, any more than my belief in Santa makes him any more real.I for one am convinced God has demonstrated in a very public way that Christ was who He said He was. This was done when God raised Christ from the dead in accordance with scripture.
No.
And I do not expect Davian or you to accept anything I say.
Then why bother making the claim in the first place?
Because there are more people in these forums than you and Davian.
It is not a fact any more than the presents under the tree are evidence for Santa for the children that believe.for the same reason I would expect them to be convinced if I told them the earth was round while a flat-earther was telling them the earth was flat.
the shape of the earth is a matter of fact, not of fancy or opinion.
Likewise, God raising Jesus bodily from the dead for the remission of sin is a matter of fact, not fancy or opinion.
Not a fact, then.It either happened or it did not.
I have yet to see a coherent case put forth for why I should believe it did happen.If it did, then all other religions that deny it are false.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. MenckenI agree. It is very clear and simple that God created everything.
Sometimes the answer is "we do not know".How else would stuff just appear?
I do not say or believe that.You also cannot say you agree with the conservation of mass but at the same time believe that the universe has just been here all along.
I was not aware of any mainstream astrophysicists positing theories that violated these principles that you allude to. Perhaps you could elucidate.How can there even be matter if nothing can be created?
Why?Everything, life, trees, planets, etc had to come from God.
I agree. It is very clear and simple that God created everything. How else would stuff just appear? You also cannot say you agree with the conservation of mass but at the same time believe that the universe has just been here all along. How can there even be matter if nothing can be created? Everything, life, trees, planets, etc had to come from God.
God Bless
Would you be convinced by someone of another religion insisting that their doctrines are matters of fact?
Once again, if you wouldn't be convinced of that when someone of another religion does it, why expect anyone here to be convinced of it when you do it?
The analogy blows up in your face in that (most) judicial systems are evidence based, for both your hypothetical conviction and later acquittal. Evidence of the type that rises above "personal experience".
The power of circular reasoning. A story you get from scripture is not validated by scripture. That you are convinced of its veracity is no indicator of it actually having happened, any more than my belief in Santa makes him any more real.
It is not a fact any more than the presents under the tree are evidence for Santa for the children that believe.
I have yet to see a coherent case put forth for why I should believe it did happen.
I never said you should believe Jesus rose from the dead because the Bible says so. I would appeal to evidence such as the empty tomb, accounts of Jesus' post mortem appearances to hundreds, and the disciple's sudden conviction that Jesus was alive as a few lines of evidence for starters. These three lines of evidence are agreed upon by virtually all New Testament scholars.
All of which are recorded in just one place.
A handful of people saying hundreds saw something is not the same as hundreds of people seeing something.
If they were matters of fact, yes.
People saw Jesus raise a dead man to life, give a man blind from birth his sight and cause the lame to walk and still were not convinced He was the Son of the Living God, the herald of the Kingdom of God into human history.
Just because people are given evidence that a claim is true does not necessarily mean they will be convinced of the claim. There are many factors which could have caused the unbelieving to remain unbelievers even after having been furnished with signs and wonders. Pride, and the desire to be honored and glorified among men (enter the religious leaders of Jesus' day). are just a few that come to mind.
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People also reportedly saw Muhammad ascend into heaven, and many insist this is a matter of fact. Yet I notice that you are not a Muslim.
Are you describing personal reasons for why you do not believe in Islam? If pride and the desire to be glorified are not your reasons for not accepting Islam then why assume that they are anyone's reason for not accepting Christianity?